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    Default Reroll/luck and event drops

    STS - Does reroll actually prevent you from looting an arcane belt/artifact from the event boss? Lots of people get mad when someone uses Hisha AA and it would help if we can get confirmation.

    Luck making things worse seems pretty much the opposite of what luck should do

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    OP I am glad you posted this. It's a valid & good question considering I was thinking Arcane pets were the most effective to use for AF event.

    I wonder could you get better loot if you didn't reroll at all or does reroll automatically give better loot? It really doesn't seem that way.
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    I realize your asking for dev input (& I hope they do), but I can answer about how the devs structured pl drops as an example of what they likely did here.
    In pl they made separate drop tables where some types of drops like legendary could be rerolled, and the most rare types of drops could not reroll.

    I think players assume luck pets hurt their chance because they never see one after a reroll and donít know that luck table isnít affected buy rerolls.

    Luck is irrelevant in the case of some rare drops, but not an impediment.
    Imho
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    I think system just randomly give loots .. Since then and now i see many who doesnt hav luck and still loot items (i ask if they wearing anything with luck) some also looting wearing luck set .... System randomly give loots i guess, wearing luck set or no luck set is the same 👌
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephencobear View Post
    I think players assume luck pets hurt their chance because they never see one after a reroll and don’t know that luck table isn’t affected by* rerolls.
    ^This

    During this year's valentines event a dev confirmed that set pieces (best drop of the event) are in different loot table and isn't affected by luck. Can be the same with the arcanes in this event too. Hopefully a dev will cofirm and remove all doubts, as some people are getting very toxic over this in event map.
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    I don't understand why there are so called 'luck' item in game when luck is never part of the gameplay. IMO, this is the biggest scam by sts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creepiest View Post
    I think system just randomly give loots .. Since then and now i see many who doesnt hav luck and still loot items (i ask if they wearing anything with luck) some also looting wearing luck set .... System randomly give loots i guess, wearing luck set or no luck set is the same 👌
    Yes 1000% that true,all about lucky day and time lucky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastah View Post
    Yes 1000% that true,all about lucky day and time lucky
    I can believe that considering I wear luck & reroll gear/pets to help. Doesn't seem to make much a difference if any at all. Except with energy drops...

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    Reminds me of the old "open all chest for good boss loot" and "don't open any chests for good boss loot". Or the "must kill boss naked for best drops".

    I can see where if luck has nothing to do w/ the desired drops, then maximizing damage would be best. However, it does not mean luck hurts drops.

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    Different loot table for items till mythic and then different for heroic and arcane. One rerolls, one doesn't.
    I would still love to have a dev approve on this because a lot of people are spreading rumors in the game how using luck is bad for drops.

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    How it works currently:

    Mobs can have multiple loot tables. Rerolls happen independently within each loot table.

    If you get an item from a loot table, reroll behavior is different based on the rarity of the item from your initial roll.

    common, rare, epic: If there are items of the next better rarity in the table, you get one of those.
    legendary, mythic, set, spirit, vanity: Roll again on all items in the loot table. If the resulting item is a better rarity, you get that instead.
    arcane, heroic: no reroll, you get the initial item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    How it works currently:

    Mobs can have multiple loot tables. Rerolls happen independently within each loot table.

    If you get an item from a loot table, reroll behavior is different based on the rarity of the item from your initial roll.

    common, rare, epic: If there are items of the next better rarity in the table, you get one of those.
    legendary, mythic, set, spirit, vanity: Roll again on all items in the loot table. If the resulting item is a better rarity, you get that instead.
    arcane, heroic: no reroll, you get the initial item.
    So in other words if it was meant to drop for you it's going to happen and a heroic/ arcane does not reroll no matter what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verbie View Post
    So in other words if it was meant to drop for you it's going to happen and a heroic/ arcane does not reroll no matter what.
    That's what it looks like.

    And that means pink stuff re-rolls into Set stuff? I thought Legendary was in the group of Common/Rare/Epic before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    How it works currently:

    Mobs can have multiple loot tables. Rerolls happen independently within each loot table.

    If you get an item from a loot table, reroll behavior is different based on the rarity of the item from your initial roll.

    common, rare, epic: If there are items of the next better rarity in the table, you get one of those.
    legendary, mythic, set, spirit, vanity: Roll again on all items in the loot table. If the resulting item is a better rarity, you get that instead.
    arcane, heroic: no reroll, you get the initial item.
    So if you get a mythic you can reroll and get arcane/heroic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewolfbull View Post
    So if you get a mythic you can reroll and get arcane/heroic?
    The way Mr. Futumsh says it means that it will just re-roll rarities from the same group. So basically a Mythic item can re-roll into Set or Vanity, but not Arcane or Heroic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thewolfbull View Post
    So if you get a mythic you can reroll and get arcane/heroic?
    That's correct, though unlikely, since unless there's nothing less rare than mythic in the loot table, the second roll probably won't be better than the first, so it would stick with the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcanefid View Post
    The way Mr. Futumsh says it means that it will just re-roll rarities from the same group. So basically a Mythic item can re-roll into Set or Vanity, but not Arcane or Heroic.
    No, for the example of the first roll being a mythic, it rerolls from everything. If the second roll happens to be an arcane, you get an arcane. It's more likely that the second roll won't be better though, since the better rarity stuff is... more rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    That's correct, though unlikely, since unless there's nothing less rare than mythic in the loot table, the second roll probably won't be better than the first, so it would stick with the first.
    So that means that any item can re-roll into Set for example? And any item can re-roll into Arcane?

    What about the items that go in the satchel? Like in this event, do legendary amounts of Vales roll into Arcane?

    Edit: nevermind, I just saw that you already answered it. Thanks.

    Edit 2: What about the drop chances of Vials in Arena Chests and Elite Shuyal, Tindirin, and Planar Tombs? How can a Rare item be more rare than a Mythic item?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arcanefid View Post
    What about the drop chances of Vials in Arena Chests and Elite Shuyal, Tindirin, and Planar Tombs? How can a Rare item be more rare than a Mythic item?
    Individual items or item groups can also have different drop rates. It's possible for a 'rare' item to have a lower chance to drop than an 'epic' item, or less of a chance than another rare item in the same loot table. Also, most of the potential vial drops are from a loot table that only has the vial, which wouldn't be affected by rerolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    How it works currently:

    Mobs can have multiple loot tables. Rerolls happen independently within each loot table.

    If you get an item from a loot table, reroll behavior is different based on the rarity of the item from your initial roll.

    common, rare, epic: If there are items of the next better rarity in the table, you get one of those.
    legendary, mythic, set, spirit, vanity: Roll again on all items in the loot table. If the resulting item is a better rarity, you get that instead.
    arcane, heroic: no reroll, you get the initial item.
    Some people were crying that their arcane was re-rolling into vanity. Thanks for the clarification to remove such rumors. By the way, does spirit items drop somewhere? Or is it for the future?
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