just tell the truth, devs...

**sellall** · 06-24-2019, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Cinco

There will be changes but they�re not going to fundamentally change the fact that 1:1 PvP with interdependent classes with different roles is inherently imbalanced. To be clear: I favor team based PvP and our FFA rules as they serve the basic design concept for each class. Furthermore I accept all responsibility for allowing a flawed 1:1 system to exist in AL that invites imbalanced fights between classes that have entirely different characteristics.

TLDR - Mages should duel other Mages.

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I can accept that. What I think people are really having a hard time with is that Rogues do not die at 71. Only a rogue can kill another rogue, for the most part. In TDM, out of 20 kills, 17 of those kills are from a rogue, 2 from a mage and 1 from a tank. That's not balance.

Further, a pro mage with maxed out gear, should not lose to a beginner rogue with, for example, a horse pet but that's not the case in 1v1.

Tanks vs mages is a stale mate. Nobody dies. This is not fun either

There was always slight imbalance in previous seasons, but this is so far off from balanced that nobody plays PVP anymore. We can't deny it anymore that pvp is dead

**schrodinger's cat** · 06-24-2019, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by sellall

I can accept that. What I think people are really having a hard time with is that Rogues do not die at 71. Only a rogue can kill another rogue, for the most part. In TDM, out of 20 kills, 17 of those kills are from a rogue, 2 from a mage and 1 from a tank. That's not balance.

Further, a pro mage with maxed out gear, should not lose to a beginner rogue with, for example, a horse pet but that's not the case in 1v1.

Tanks vs mages is a stale mate. Nobody dies. This is not fun either

There was always slight imbalance in previous seasons, but this is so far off from balanced that nobody plays PVP anymore. We can't deny it anymore that pvp is dead

Not dead. Broken.

**shadowronn** · 06-25-2019, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Willl

You are right, the problem is that in the past (41, 46 cap mainly) all classes could duel and have balanced fight eachother even between classes. As an old player I would like to have again that conditions, that s what many other players support. Also a revive of FFA would be much appreciated, cause actually its desert map

''Revive''? I quit the game so I just wanted to know whether it was ever an active map?

**Hexame** · 06-25-2019, 06:48 AM

Theres always little skills you can utlize and beat Rogues with as a Sorcerer.

The Shadowlurk AA + 3 Skills Method:
https://youtu.be/7XDqjWVHnG0

https://youtu.be/x3Ab0Qz_tjA

The Shady and Surge Pools Method:
https://youtu.be/uOpF7yY7iaI
Theres tons of skills used during those times that helped a lot for imbalance class that we found little ways to beat the other classes during Lv41-Lv63 times.

I'll have to level up my Sorcerer
character and catch up to Lv71 and try out Rogue vs Mage in Duel in Lv71 areas.
I can try to help you out but have to get to Level 71 first with a busy schedule!

**schrodinger's cat** · 06-25-2019, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Hexame

Theres always little skills you can utlize and beat Rogues with as a Sorcerer.

The Shadowlurk AA + 3 Skills Method:
https://youtu.be/7XDqjWVHnG0

https://youtu.be/x3Ab0Qz_tjA

The Shady and Surge Pools Method:
https://youtu.be/uOpF7yY7iaI
Theres tons of skills used during those times that helped a lot for imbalance class that we found little ways to beat the other classes during Lv41-Lv63 times.

I'll have to level up my Sorcerer
character and catch up to Lv71 and try out Rogue vs Mage in Duel in Lv71 areas.
I can try to help you out but have to get to Level 71 first with a busy schedule!

The level 63 bracket rogues i saw in ur video have 3k armor. The same rogues today have 7k armor, 80+ crit and 3k damage.

**Hexame** · 06-25-2019, 10:49 AM

I can manage with that lol but I'll just need to get my Sorcerer to lv71

**Perceval** · 06-25-2019, 10:54 AM

This is about AL pvp right? Because I enter AL pvp and nobody is ever there so where does anyone draw their conclusions?

**sellall** · 06-25-2019, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Hexame

I can manage with that lol but I'll just need to get my Sorcerer to lv71

I think you should level up your mage to 71 and let us know how it goes

**schrodinger's cat** · 06-25-2019, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Hexame

I can manage with that lol but I'll just need to get my Sorcerer to lv71

Maybe i wasnt clear. The rogues who have 7k armor, 80+ crit, and 3k damage are level 63. Not need to go to 71 to try finding them.

**Stephencobear** · 06-25-2019, 07:11 PM

If mages are only supposed to duel other mages- why are there pvp apps?

**Hexame** · 06-25-2019, 10:50 PM

I see! I'll try to work on it during the weekends to help you out

**kitx19** · 06-26-2019, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by schrodinger's cat

For people like me who try incosolably to win against rogues in pvp and put a lot of effort into this game to do so we deserve an official response to end the false hope. Is pvp balanced?

I'm not interested in topic but I like your name. Nice to see you alive Schrodinger's kitty. Waitttttttt!!!! Alive or dead? It's hard to tell o.O

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**Switchback** · 06-26-2019, 02:47 AM

This is a prime example of why you dont put all your eggs in one basket.

What in not getting(and a few here aren't either) is why in a PvE focused game, which is based on the Trinity classes, the support class seems to want to be the DPS class.

If you want kills, and its so easy for a undergeared Rog to get them, why dont you make a Rog? Its only your fault for solely focusing on 1 class.

Whats so hard to understand about what Cinco said? He was very straight-forward, and took responsibility for imbalance.

I suggest not takin PvP so seriously. Honestly, this is a farming game , to take PvP so seriously is only the players fault. You make your own decisions, stop blaming sts because your hopes and dreams didnt work out.

Might as well shut this thread down. All it is now is a complaining thread, there is no feedback on ways to alter the meta..

**schrodinger's cat** · 06-26-2019, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Switchback

This is a prime example of why you dont put all your eggs in one basket.

What in not getting(and a few here aren't either) is why in a PvE focused game, which is based on the Trinity classes, the support class seems to want to be the DPS class.

If you want kills, and its so easy for a undergeared Rog to get them, why dont you make a Rog? Its only your fault for solely focusing on 1 class.

Whats so hard to understand about what Cinco said? He was very straight-forward, and took responsibility for imbalance.

I suggest not takin PvP so seriously. Honestly, this is a farming game , to take PvP so seriously is only the players fault. You make your own decisions, stop blaming sts because your hopes and dreams didnt work out.

Might as well shut this thread down. All it is now is a complaining thread, there is no feedback on ways to alter the meta..

Dude stop crying. whats ur problem?

**schrodinger's cat** · 06-26-2019, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by Switchback

This is a prime example of why you dont put all your eggs in one basket.

What in not getting(and a few here aren't either) is why in a PvE focused game, which is based on the Trinity classes, the support class seems to want to be the DPS class.

If you want kills, and its so easy for a undergeared Rog to get them, why dont you make a Rog? Its only your fault for solely focusing on 1 class.

Whats so hard to understand about what Cinco said? He was very straight-forward, and took responsibility for imbalance.

I suggest not takin PvP so seriously. Honestly, this is a farming game , to take PvP so seriously is only the players fault. You make your own decisions, stop blaming sts because your hopes and dreams didnt work out.

Might as well shut this thread down. All it is now is a complaining thread, there is no feedback on ways to alter the meta..

Everything u said was wrong. It not just a farming game, obviously, or pvp wouldnt exist. keeping up? The way i see it, pvp is the end result of farming. Its a part of the game and to say that it isnt is just a moot point.

@ Hexame.. thanks i'll look for u in there. ill be the mage getting killed by rogues, oh wait thats all mages.
@ kitx19.. it seems the cats out of the bag on this issue.

**Switchback** · 06-26-2019, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by schrodinger's cat

Dude stop crying. whats ur problem?

Stop crying? Pfffft, head your own advice. You created this thread to cry, without offering anything to the argument..zero, nada. Stop taking PvP on a phone game so seriously. Maybe you wouldn't be so emotionally attached to some pixels.

**schrodinger's cat** · 06-26-2019, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Switchback

Stop crying? Pfffft, head your own advice. You created this thread to cry, without offering anything to the argument..zero, nada. Stop taking PvP on a phone game so seriously. Maybe you wouldn't be so emotionally attached to some pixels.

Ur not making any sense.