Can we have some transparency about PVP plans?

[arcanefid]

I never stated they're balanced in pve and pvp, they're not supposed to be. If you want balance you take 2 cars that are the exact same and race them. The world doesn't work like that tho, if you use 2 different cars however it's going to be unbalanced, as would be expected. Mages were great during the last event, 2 mages were best. Tanks are amazing too in situations, as are rogues. But there can't be balance.

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You literally said they are balanced overall though. And no, classes don't work like cars, you can't just compare anything that comes to your mind to prove your point, because that's not how the world works. Try using something more similar, maybe another game where PvP, PvE, and overall balance of classes actually works, I'm sure there are many of them.

And also, balanced does not mean equal. And we know classes can't be perfectly balanced, but I'm sure there are many ways to at least make the difference smaller.

Anyway though, if you think that classes are balanced because Warrior dominates one season, then Mages dominate next one, Rogues the next one, etc., then you're missing the point of balance. That's not how balance works. Why can we not have a season where all 3 classes are useful and none of them is the absolute best?

[Shocan]

You literally said they are balanced overall though. And no, classes don't work like cars, you can't just compare anything that comes to your mind to prove your point, because that's not how the world works. Try using something more similar, maybe another game where PvP, PvE, and overall balance of classes actually works, I'm sure there are many of them.

And also, balanced does not mean equal. And we know classes can't be perfectly balanced, but I'm sure there are many ways to at least make the difference smaller.

Anyway though, if you think that classes are balanced because Warrior dominates one season, then Mages dominate next one, Rogues the next one, etc., then you're missing the point of balance. That's not how balance works. Why can we not have a season where all 3 classes are useful and none of them is the absolute best?

No. I said overall in terms of running, as in overall over maps, not in pvp. And yes, you can compare whatever you think of, that's how a metaphor works. I'm not going to argue further, you don't get this whatsoever, classes aren't balanced, they shouldn't be, if you've got a problem with that play another game. The devs made their point, and point that makes perfect sense, if you can't understand it it's your problem, there's a reason the devs haven't replied to this thread, it's basically another duplicate and you just don't get it. Thanks for your time, Cinco has already commented on the matter of balance between classes, this is pointless

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[sellall]

No. I said overall in terms of running, as in overall over maps, not in pvp. And yes, you can compare whatever you think of, that's how a metaphor works. I'm not going to argue further, you don't get this whatsoever, classes aren't balanced, they shouldn't be, if you've got a problem with that play another game. The devs made their point, and point that makes perfect sense, if you can't understand it it's your problem, there's a reason the devs haven't replied to this thread, it's basically another duplicate and you just don't get it. Thanks for your time, Cinco has already commented on the matter of balance between classes, this is pointless

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I think we agree on more than you think. If it's really true that they're not going to fix pvp, then why keep the maps and the achievements that go with it. I have 1500 flags and I was abused for every one of them. Not a single flag came from a buddy system flagging. Is that really the direction the game is going to where you need 10,000 flags, 4 at a time? I'd rather sit on a grenade. They're keeping those achievements for a reason, I'd like to think but I could be wrong. I quit 2 years ago, minus a quick comeback a year ago. I've been gearless ever since but I used to have all the best gear and pets, aka spending money. If you don't care about pvp zyou don't have to comment. Some of us have been sitting in limbo and I think it's fair to have a little clarity from sts or open discussion with them after 7 years of playing this game (and 2 years of waiting for a fix).

[arcanefid]

No. I said overall in terms of running, as in overall over maps, not in pvp. And yes, you can compare whatever you think of, that's how a metaphor works. I'm not going to argue further, you don't get this whatsoever, classes aren't balanced, they shouldn't be, if you've got a problem with that play another game. The devs made their point, and point that makes perfect sense, if you can't understand it it's your problem, there's a reason the devs haven't replied to this thread, it's basically another duplicate and you just don't get it. Thanks for your time, Cinco has already commented on the matter of balance between classes, this is pointless

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Yeah sure, classes shouldn't be balanced, I don't know why everyone is so upset bruh.

[Browdy666]

You literally said they are balanced overall though. And no, classes don't work like cars, you can't just compare anything that comes to your mind to prove your point, because that's not how the world works. Try using something more similar, maybe another game where PvP, PvE, and overall balance of classes actually works, I'm sure there are many of them.

And also, balanced does not mean equal. And we know classes can't be perfectly balanced, but I'm sure there are many ways to at least make the difference smaller.

Anyway though, if you think that classes are balanced because Warrior dominates one season, then Mages dominate next one, Rogues the next one, etc., then you're missing the point of balance. That's not how balance works. Why can we not have a season where all 3 classes are useful and none of them is the absolute best?

It's Utopia man... Ideal can't be reachable in this situation. Even in games like Dota 2 which is MOBA genre but still have some weaker and stronger heroes there. PC games same thing. World of warcraft for example: in some situation mages are stronger, in some situation warriors and so as rogues. If all classes will become the same what a point to have multiple different classes? Another thing is maybe pve content favours rogue more than two other classes? Because its about who kills faster, where rogue is the grandmaster. My opinion is that we need more dungeons with difficult lvl as Deep Marsh bosses or harder with interesting boss/creeps mechanics instead of wasting time over obvious things... Tdm mode is not popular like used to be, because people don't wanna take reality, they think that someday old stable business model will change as they wanted too see it. Game is alive, ebon items are cool, content is decent for such mobile game, we have a lot of cool events, so could you tell me what a point for Sts to change it? Duel? What is duel - it's sparring room, basically we need it to see how things work, to play with friends for creating new tactics for our class, for better understanding role in the map. It means nothing at all, no aps, no reward, no lb, not entertaining as good team fight, who even cares about Duel mode? Unfortunately tdm now currently broken, because we have no class limits per room. It's very bad because allows to stack warrior team and making it useless to play. . .

[arcanefid]

It's Utopia man... Ideal can't be reachable in this situation. Even in games like Dota 2 which is MOBA genre but still have some weaker and stronger heroes there. PC games same thing. World of warcraft for example: in some situation mages are stronger, in some situation warriors and so as rogues. If all classes will become the same what a point to have multiple different classes? Another thing is maybe pve content favours rogue more than two other classes? Because its about who kills faster, where rogue is the grandmaster. My opinion is that we need more dungeons with difficult lvl as Deep Marsh bosses or harder with interesting boss/creeps mechanics instead of wasting time over obvious things... Tdm mode is not popular like used to be, because people don't wanna take reality, they think that someday old stable business model will change as they wanted too see it. Game is alive, ebon items are cool, content is decent for such mobile game, we have a lot of cool events, so could you tell me what a point for Sts to change it? Duel? What is duel - it's sparring room, basically we need it to see how things work, to play with friends for creating new tactics for our class, for better understanding role in the map. It means nothing at all, no aps, no reward, no lb, not entertaining as good team fight, who even cares about Duel mode? Unfortunately tdm now currently broken, because we have no class limits per room. It's very bad because allows to stack warrior team and making it useless to play. . .

I’m not really interested in duels actually, I just used that as an example because Cinco did it too. And also I’m aware that all classes shouldn’t be the same or equal to each other. But it’s clear that Rogues have an advantage in more than at least 50% of the situations. Do you think Tanks would be useful in Deep Marsh or Raid, or even PvP clashes if we didn’t have Ebon aegis? Why should a whole class be useful only if they own a specific weapon? What about a level 65 Warrior who can’t equip a TB or Ebon aegis?

Anyway, I’m done here. Let’s see what happens in the next expansion. I guess that’s our only option now.

[Browdy666]

I’m not really interested in duels actually, I just used that as an example because Cinco did it too. And also I’m aware that all classes shouldn’t be the same or equal to each other. But it’s clear that Rogues have an advantage in more than at least 50% of the situations. Do you think Tanks would be useful in Deep Marsh or Raid, or even PvP clashes if we didn’t have Ebon aegis? Why should a whole class be useful only if they own a specific weapon? What about a level 65 Warrior who can’t equip a TB or Ebon aegis?

Anyway, I’m done here. Let’s see what happens in the next expansion. I guess that’s our only option now.

Yes we had tb before. Do you think rogue would be useful in Deep Marsh or Raid without Ebon bow ? Same example. Owl bro, Sts made warriors proc so OP exactly to compensate such thing with rogue. It was always so in AL. 65 lvl ? Why? What a point of being half-warrior? Who wants to be 65 lvl if there is no place for him in Al? 63 lvl bracket is active btw. It's same thing as 70 is useless compare to 71 because of arcane ebon gear. Why it is wrong for your opinion? I don't get it. Owl, till next update I'd like to make this topic hot, more voices = better chances, so i think that your opinion is important here And yes you right let’s see what happens in the next expansion

[arcanefid]

Yes we had tb before. Do you think rogue would be useful in Deep Marsh or Raid without Ebon bow ? Same example. Owl bro, Sts made warriors proc so OP exactly to compensate such thing with rogue. It was always so in AL. 65 lvl ? Why? What a point of being half-warrior? Who wants to be 65 lvl if there is no place for him in Al? 63 lvl bracket is active btw. It's same thing as 70 is useless compare to 71 because of arcane ebon gear. Why it is wrong for your opinion? I don't get it. Owl, till next update I'd like to make this topic hot, more voices = better chances, so i think that your opinion is important here And yes you right let’s see what happens in the next expansion

Yeah lol all classes need the best weapon, I used level 65 as an example because at that level a warrior can't equip TB or Ebon Aegis. By the way, my name in game is Fid and I'm not related to any Owl :P Except he's my guilide. :P Maybe it's because of the sig? XD

[Browdy666]

Yeah lol all classes need the best weapon, I used level 65 as an example because at that level a warrior can't equip TB or Ebon Aegis. By the way, my name in game is Fid and I'm not related to any Owl :P Except he's my guilide. :P Maybe it's because of the sig? XD

Sorry, i tought your old ign was Owl. I understand now Fid