Elite awakens are a scam

[Olympus]

What about an Option to Lock/Unlock an Awakening of your choice for an amount of gold/plat?

(eg. you got 50%gl on first slot, you can lock it for an x amount of gold/plat then the next time you re-awake, only the remaining slots will be touched.)


also, the price to lock an awakening will increase as you proceed with the rest of the slots.

No hate tho, just my opinion.

I completely agree with this comment, and this is more or less what I had in mind when posting.


**REGARDING OTHER COMMENTS**

I understand this is pay to win game, and I understand I could have bought the awake I was looking for with the gold I wasted on awakening. However, if everybody adopts this mindset, what you’ll find is no OP gears available, as everybody is waiting for the gear to come. Then massive inflation occurs, and elite awakening almost looks viable again *until it isn’t* #merightnow

I don’t entirely understand how some people are triggered by the point that this luck based system is stupid, and that it is driving away players. I definitely support some sort of RNG, but with awakens pretty much being essential to PvP (which is what i play, and I have always done so competitively), I think it is about time to do something that benefits the players. Mods wanna know How to get players to retain interest: do something that doesn’t make it impossible to be at the top without having unlimited plat and gold.

So building on the comment I’m replying to: let’s take an arcane item as an example, how about being able to lock in two awakening slots for a certain gold/plat/token amount, then the remaining two slots still remain RNG. That way, sts retains their money making scheme while players can at least guarantee better awakens if they’re gonna drop a decent sum into the game.

I don’t like the implication that to complain about such things is to be some sort of a cry baby, if I take my $200 to a restaurant, I expect to get one hell of a meal, I don’t expect to wonder if I’m going to get a good meal?

[Olympus]

This is not the place to moan about being unlucky. Deal with it. You'll be unlucky plenty of times in the future.
Sts doesn't owe you anything so you preserve no special treatment when it comes to RnG, get over it and buy the awakens u want from auction next time. Good day to u

This sort of comment is stupid asf imo. As someone who’s both studied business, and is running a successful business, I can tell you that a successful business model is when a consumer gives currency in exchange for goods. Their overall experience is judged from when they purchase the product and doesn’t end until after they have consumed the product.

The awakens I want can’t be found in auction as it is a maxed awaken on not only an arcane item, but one with a para. That is why I was willing to spend 40m+ on trying to get a decent awaken. I don’t want special treatment, I want the mods and devs of this game to listen to the opinion of what SO MANY OTHERS agree with, which is do something to fix the current state of the game. I play this game to be the best and can’t do that without the best awakes, and since awakens are such a key factor in determining whether gear is good or bad, I am simply venting my opinion that change is needed, at least is STS expects me to remain a customer.

[Olympus]

extremely bad idea. otherwise you see 4%,4%,4%,4% armor in auction or 100gl,100gl,100gl,100gl priced for 500m.
and this will destroy the game.

What if you could lock only a maximum of 2 slots? And locking slots added some extra fee? I disagree that it would break the game, in fact it would give people a chance to guarantee decent awakes, rather than spending 40m+ to not get a single thing

[Olympus]

Just buy the gear with the awake you want, chances are the person you buy from used 10-20 gems max.

The awake I want is so extremely rare that I haven’t found it despite looking for the last 6 months.

[Daughter]

I like that Idea. And to get 400gl on it then is like impossible because u gonna need spend then like 1b gold for it and it would´nt worth it, so ppl can't destroy with it he prices. And on Auction I saw too many Times Items with like 15% All Stats or 20% Armor Awaken so these awakes are already there veto get so they casn´t be an awaken destroy the prices

[Olympus]

I like that Idea. And to get 400gl on it then is like impossible because u gonna need spend then like 1b gold for it and it would´nt worth it, so ppl can't destroy with it he prices. And on Auction I saw too many Times Items with like 15% All Stats or 20% Armor Awaken so these awakes are already there veto get so they casn´t be an awaken destroy the prices

Yeah if anything, I think god awakens would become more common, bringing the overall prices down. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s just my opinion. Right now if I were to get 20% armor in my sword, I’m gonna make 200m on it lol

[shadowronn]

Why won't STS remove the awakening system and refund players who paid for awakens in cash or platinum, whatever they paid with or maybe not the full amount but 60% something like that.

[PatD]

From my own experience, i have sometime been terribly unlucky and sometime very lucky (i had to spend 15m once for what i want and another time got what i want with only 10 awake!) so its really about luck/rng

[Fearrr]

Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about Re-Rolling. Last big roll I did was on Arc Helm Lvl 71 around 2.5k Plat(500 Rolls)) and still didn’t get the Awakes I was looking for. Ofc I understand the risks of rolling before hand but the percentage of bad awakes to good awakes seems very off. Enraged/Jairus980 idea is good, if locking slots does become available it should be costly to maintain balance in the game. @Fwend nice to see they added the locking slot option to PL hopefully it will come to AL to.

[Idly]

Its a highly frustrating system, I'm not surprised a lot quit when it was introduced.

I have spent around 400m to awake my 71 arcane gears (staff, helm, armor, belt, ring, amulet and artifact 65m total item worth clean) and still not finished!

After all that I found out about the op awakening event (I'm a returning player from 2013/14 and haven't seen this event before) I was like holy ******* **** I've spent $5k real money since last September to be op and soon I'll have to reawake all my gears, or buy duplicates...or alternatively it won't return and I'll never have the chance to get certain awakes which is more frustrating than being *** ****** for more moneys.

I'm very happy to support AL as the devs have put tons of work into the game we all enjoy, but I'm getting to the point where it seems pointless and is becoming a disappointment as my character progression has almost stoppeed and every time I spend I feel I'm getting shafted. Sometimes I'll spend $300-500 on just awakes and get nothing, I mean wtf sts.

The awakening for plat system has, IMO, run its course and players are generally sick of it. Maybe add elite awakes to sirscamalot as a gold sink and find a new cash cow where players don't feel so butthurt when they give you lots of real world cash for some pixels. Ty.

[Olympus]

Its a highly frustrating system, I'm not surprised a lot quit when it was introduced.

I have spent around 400m to awake my 71 arcane gears (staff, helm, armor, belt, ring, amulet and artifact 65m total item worth clean) and still not finished!

After all that I found out about the op awakening event (I'm a returning player from 2013/14 and haven't seen this event before) I was like holy ******* **** I've spent $5k real money since last September to be op and soon I'll have to reawake all my gears, or buy duplicates...or alternatively it won't return and I'll never have the chance to get certain awakes which is more frustrating than being *** ****** for more moneys.

I'm very happy to support AL as the devs have put tons of work into the game we all enjoy, but I'm getting to the point where it seems pointless and is becoming a disappointment as my character progression has almost stoppeed and every time I spend I feel I'm getting shafted. Sometimes I'll spend $300-500 on just awakes and get nothing, I mean wtf sts.

The awakening for plat system has, IMO, run its course and players are generally sick of it. Maybe add elite awakes to sirscamalot as a gold sink and find a new cash cow where players don't feel so butthurt when they give you lots of real world cash for some pixels. Ty.

Completely agree

[Fyrce]

People are too OCD.

Just live with acceptable items. Have some duplicate items you can sometimes try to reawaken. If one comes out better, start wearing it. If not, keep it in your "play" set. Limit the amount of awakes you use, say only 20 elite awakes at a time, once a week or once a month. Done.

[Fearrr]

People are too OCD.

Just live with acceptable items. Have some duplicate items you can sometimes try to reawaken. If one comes out better, start wearing it. If not, keep it in your "play" set. Limit the amount of awakes you use, say only 20 elite awakes at a time, once a week or once a month. Done.

If you want to play on a budget like that then that's fine. I do play for enjoyment and spending money in this game is not a issue, I would never spend money in this game if it would ever effect RL. People have goals and stats they want to keep pushing it's as simple as that. If you play using the bare minimum or acceptable items there is nothing wrong with that either. That's not how I play and never will.

[Olympus]

People are too OCD.

Just live with acceptable items. Have some duplicate items you can sometimes try to reawaken. If one comes out better, start wearing it. If not, keep it in your "play" set. Limit the amount of awakes you use, say only 20 elite awakes at a time, once a week or once a month. Done.

While I can respect any player who chooses to play like this, this isn’t how I play any game. I’m always willing to spend money to increase my experience. Where the issues start to grow, however, is when it feels that my investment is for nothing. As I’ve said in previous comments, I play at lvl 47 pvp, and I want to be the best. To do that, I have to put money into the game, which I have no issues doing. I just want to have confidence that it will be worthwhile.

There are so many people here saying “it’s RNG, you’re stupid for wishing you could have better luck” “maybe you shouldn’t have put so much into the game when you should’ve known it’s a stupid system” “just buy your items from auction”:

What if i simply want to awaken my own items, get exactly what I want, and don’t want to have to sink 3000 plat into one item and still get nothing? Why can’t it simply be that I can spend some money to have some sort of confidence that it’s going to be worthwhile?

Some people have even made comments to suggest that “just don’t do all your awakens at once, if you get nothing try this...” *followed by a way that will supposedly “fix” your bad luck* ... doesn’t that just reinforce my point that awakens are a scam? By buying into such suggestions, you admit that this system isn’t complete RNG and that it is perhaps rigged.

[Dunno]

While I can respect any player who chooses to play like this, this isn’t how I play any game. I’m always willing to spend money to increase my experience. Where the issues start to grow, however, is when it feels that my investment is for nothing. As I’ve said in previous comments, I play at lvl 47 pvp, and I want to be the best. To do that, I have to put money into the game, which I have no issues doing. I just want to have confidence that it will be worthwhile.

There are so many people here saying “it’s RNG, you’re stupid for wishing you could have better luck” “maybe you shouldn’t have put so much into the game when you should’ve known it’s a stupid system” “just buy your items from auction”:

What if i simply want to awaken my own items, get exactly what I want, and don’t want to have to sink 3000 plat into one item and still get nothing? Why can’t it simply be that I can spend some money to have some sort of confidence that it’s going to be worthwhile?

Some people have even made comments to suggest that “just don’t do all your awakens at once, if you get nothing try this...” *followed by a way that will supposedly “fix” your bad luck* ... doesn’t that just reinforce my point that awakens are a scam? By buying into such suggestions, you admit that this system isn’t complete RNG and that it is perhaps rigged.

Its definitely rigged not perhaps. I spent 20 m to awaken arcane ring today and I got absolutely nothing worth keeping.

[Switchback]

So this may be completely wrong, as my math days are a thing of the past, but i believe this is a somewhat accurate representation of the total amount of possibilities while awakening items.

There are roughly 130 different awakens for weapons, and a max of 4 awaken picks per Roll. The link should already have the numbers input for you. The link is to an online calculator that i found handy. This is given each awaken has the same possibility of rolling(which i doubt 100gl rolls the same as taunt chance.). Although i do agree that some awakens do not have the same chance to roll, it is being exaggerated here. You guys arent thinking about the extreme amount of possible rolls while awakening.

Again, i could be calculating this wrong, its 2am and im dead tired. I figured i would throw this out there and a math wiz can come by and correct me. The number does seem to be crazy high, im sure i am making a simple mistake but check the link if you're interested in probabilities that can be related to the awaken system.

https://www.hackmath.net/en/calculat...der=0&repeat=1

This sample was based off awakening an arcane weapon(4 for the amount of slots,130+- different awakenings). If you're lazy to check the link, the total amount off different sets of awakens i came across is 12.4 million.

A legendary weapon(2 slots/130+- awakenings) using the calculator above came up with 5,000 different sets of awakenings. Mythic was around 170,000 different sets.


The Edit: after a wink of sleep and some coffee i see that redundant awakens(a 400gl awakening would be calculated as seperate sets of outcomes, when to us its 1)will skew these numbers greatly, and my kindergarten math skills dont seem to hold up. I Believe to exclude repetition of awakens being counted as different outcomes, we take the total amount from the selection pool(awaken list) times the number of draws from said pool(our awaken slots)?

Anyways, im flailing around here and its way too early for i to be fixing this, but i lol'd at my above numbers . Someone will undoubtedly fix it im sure.


Looking forward to a correction on this above!

-Thanks

[Olympus]

So this may be completely wrong, as my math days are a thing of the past, but i believe this is a somewhat accurate representation of the total amount of possibilities while awakening items.

There are roughly 130 different awakens for weapons, and a max of 4 awaken picks per Roll. The link should already have the numbers input for you. The link is to an online calculator that i found handy. This is given each awaken has the same possibility of rolling(which i doubt 100gl rolls the same as taunt chance.). Although i do agree that some awakens do not have the same chance to roll, it is being exaggerated here. You guys arent thinking about the extreme amount of possible rolls while awakening.

Again, i could be calculating this wrong, its 2am and im dead tired. I figured i would throw this out there and a math wiz can come by and correct me. The number does seem to be crazy high, im sure i am making a simple mistake but check the link if you're interested in probabilities that can be related to the awaken system.

https://www.hackmath.net/en/calculat...der=0&repeat=1

This sample was based off awakening an arcane weapon(4 for the amount of slots,130+- different awakenings). If you're lazy to check the link, the total amount off different sets of awakens i came across is 12.4 million.

A legendary weapon(2 slots/130+- awakenings) using the calculator above came up with 5,000 different sets of awakenings. Mythic was around 170,000 different sets.


The Edit: after a wink of sleep and some coffee i see that redundant awakens(a 400gl awakening would be calculated as seperate sets of outcomes, when to us its 1)will skew these numbers greatly, and my kindergarten math skills dont seem to hold up. I Believe to exclude repetition of awakens being counted as different outcomes, we take the total amount from the selection pool(awaken list) times the number of draws from said pool(our awaken slots)?

Anyways, im flailing around here and its way too early for i to be fixing this, but i lol'd at my above numbers . Someone will undoubtedly fix it im sure.


Looking forward to a correction on this above!

-Thanks

Would be interested to know the math if you were to limit the set to only the types of awakenings. E.g. count every armor as 1, every gold loot as 1, etc. the pool size would be decreased by a lot, so I’m sure we would have a more accurate representation. After all, I’m sure most people don’t expect 150 armor x4 slots, but maybe a combination that looks more like: 150 armor, 100 armor, 4% armor, 2% all stats. I’m sure I could figure the math out but I’m too lazy too, as it is now 2am where I am

[gilsooon]

thats exaggerating i guess

[Spooked]

This sort of comment is stupid asf imo. As someone who’s both studied business, and is running a successful business, I can tell you that a successful business model is when a consumer gives currency in exchange for goods. Their overall experience is judged from when they purchase the product and doesn’t end until after they have consumed the product.

The awakens I want can’t be found in auction as it is a maxed awaken on not only an arcane item, but one with a para. That is why I was willing to spend 40m+ on trying to get a decent awaken. I don’t want special treatment, I want the mods and devs of this game to listen to the opinion of what SO MANY OTHERS agree with, which is do something to fix the current state of the game. I play this game to be the best and can’t do that without the best awakes, and since awakens are such a key factor in determining whether gear is good or bad, I am simply venting my opinion that change is needed, at least is STS expects me to remain a customer.

Right. You're still moaning about how unfair everything is like a crybaby so i'll just go ahead and throw the whole response in the bin.

[archerdrake]

They have implemented on pl they should implement it on al