I've been thinking...

[Rare]

...I relized the devs do hard work for us Players ,...

That's weird. I see it a different way.

It is, as they so kindly pointed out, a business. Don't get me wrong. I HAVE NO BEEF with anything the devs have done. The day I have a real beef, or run out of plat, Ill stop playing. I don't blame them for wanting to make money. I would do the same in their shoes. Maybe I don't agree because I have to pay.

Anyhow, lets not kid ourselves. Its always about the bottom line.

I do love this game. I don't so much like the direction it has gone, but for the forseable future Ill probably continue playing.

[Rare]

In this game there is a small element of Pavlovian conditioning at work. W are used to things as they were in the past, they provided us with the " rewards " we sought for certain actions. The nature of the actions we must perform are changing, and some can no longer perform those actions, or think they are being unduely put upon, to get the "shiney things"...

Also, add to this that in the past the dev's have proven that if people scream loudly enough, they would often change the rules to accomidate the vocal minority.

Given these conditions, it's no surprise to me that any changes that restrict the players access to" free goodies " would be met with a lot of rage and resistance...

Just my opinion, though...

G

Can you explain how Pavlov's experiments apply to your argument. I don't quite see it. At least not in the way you presented it.

[Gaddy]

Then maybe base your "opinion" on actual feedback and NOT arbitrary formulations. Go to the WF feedback thread and count how many posters screamed for WF to be free, then count how many actually said make it 30-50 plat not linked to boss kills or an all access pass for much more plat.

You are entitled to your "opinion" but base it off actual information.

Free, cheaper, whatever... Incidentally, YOU are the one saying that I think everyone wants it all for free - all I said in this thread was "free goodies"...
I've read all 15 pages, bro. I still feel the way I do. You are far more emotionally invollved in this than you probably even realize. I called it raging, but again, thats just a word...

Again, sorry that you disagee, but I'm losing interest in this verbal sparring with you. Lets just say you win, OK?

[Gaddy]

Can you explain how Pavlov's experiments apply to your argument. I don't quite see it. At least not in the way you presented it.

Maybe I should have used BF Skinner rather than Pavlov in my post, but I thought that more ppl would have heard of pavlov than skinner...

Heck, all MMO'S use these principles to entice us to keep coming back, spending money or supporting tapjoy.. They keep us salivating when we hear the bell (DROID sightings for example), keep hitting the "feeder bar" (farming parties are doing little more than this...) There are other instances of this, subtle, and not-so-subtle all throughout PL and all games that are "free to play". It's how they make their money- by using these proven principles to entice us to keep playing, to keep us feeling good about spending our time and money, and to keep coming back for more.

Thanks for your interest. This is an area of study and thought that I'm very interested in!

[kallima]

Free, cheaper, whatever... Incidentally, YOU are the one saying that I think everyone wants it all for free - all I said in this thread was "free goodies"...
I've read all 15 pages, bro. I still feel the way I do.

...it's no surprise to me that any changes that restrict the players access to" free goodies " would be met with a lot of rage and resistance...

Just my opinion, though...
G

You are far more emotionally invollved in this than you probably even realize. I called it raging, but again, thats just a word...

Again, sorry that you disagee, but I'm losing interest in this verbal sparring with you. Lets just say you win, OK?

Free, discounted - whatever? Those are two entirely different things.

As for the free comment, reread what I quoted in your first post. You stated it, I corrected it. I don't mean to verbally spar but when someone states a gross generalization or takes things out of context (to support their own argument) I get upset. If that was not your intention, my bad. I would be equally peeved if I said "I don't like Labrodor Retrievers" and someone then said "You don't like all dogs." Two different things, just as free and discounted have two different definitions, hence why they are not synonymous.

@ Paar - good thread, though I don't agree with all your statements, the sentiment was there. PL friends is what makes PL great.

[mafiainc42]

Lmfao this is a mmo, whatcha want everyone to look alike everyone to be able to do everything everyone else can do. un heard of in any true mmo ive ever played,if u ppl want instant gradification. Go play angry birds and you tube every lvl. wake up ,Quit crying and smell the coffeeeeee...

[Pharcyde]

I thought their games can be played without paying a cent. People get mad over the extras... there wasn't as much passion for happiness when they announced all the mid campaigns on PL will be free...

The free content was a business move, because they noticed a massive stack of players stuck at dark forest content. In a effort to stimulate plat purchases, the devs made more content free, so that players were more inclined to buy, because they got deeper into the content. In my opinion, the devs have made a lot more money off that move then the previous market tactic.

The previous way was a lot of one time transactions and very cheap vanities. I personally bought all the one time transactions and many of the "extra's". It was a costly investment when I first started playing the game, but beyond that, I never really had any need to spend plat, other then the occasional skill respec. So 50 bucks the first month then 3 months of virtually no platinum purchases.

The new market provides all(most for pl) content free, but everything from vanities, elixirs, faces, hair, respawns, weird dungeon exp passes, ect got a lot more expensive. Yeah all of them are extras, but for extreme mmo'ers, the content only lasts for so long, then the only fun thing left to do is make a very unique character. Which has gotten pretty easy with nonstop events for platinum, and Dotd's with uber rare vanities. So it went from one big investment to a nonstop flow of platinum purchases.

^^ Which there is no problem with that. I don't mind spending money on platinum to get very unique vanities or advantages like more inventory spots or auction spots. The only thing I don't like is that it seems content isn't getting better. I don't know if it is from being a long time player, and seeing much repetition, but the new maps just have not been fun. I know that is not the case for others, some people absolutely love the new content. That is their opinion, my opinion is that it is the same thing, with some higher hp and new look. SL, for example, the brand new Planet Valarie dungeon was super fun for a few hours. But after seeing the same mobs and bosses, I got really bored. The only thing keeping me going was the value of loot. Which is now not even worth that much. You can get a 2k brand new drop, or get lucky and get the super nice vanity drop. There is no middle ground

So all in all - I'll sum up my mumbling into one clear sentence.

I don't want free content, I'm not begging or flaming, I want fun content that lasts more then a few hours, and I am willing to spend platinum for that, just not nonstop platinum events.

[mafiainc42]

I can see the points made about creativity but do not forget u are playin on a phone and yur phone is not a console nor a pc, limited space limited creativity

[Udiemorenoob]

In my short perspective i feel that i enjoyed the game much more when it was all about getting full cyber and farming pinks in victory lap. The fact that i enjoyed PL at that time more than i do now tells me that they did something wrong somewhere..allthough i cannot play pl/sl anymore i think the next campaign should be focused more on unique boss fights(it seems all of the bosses since ao3 are kind of the same) that will require alittle more than kiting at the wall(ema) or standing in a still orb for a few seconds.. We want suprises! Mount fang and nuris circus clearly had alot of time put into the making of them, but i feel it was still similar to past content which takes away the excitement.
In nuris hallows i felt it was just a bunch of shiny cool circus stuff thrown all together to make a quick campaign. I dont know if my standards for a mobile app are simply to high, but i feel the game is just re-worked content that is redesigned with a new theme. Idk what ideas to give really, just more exciting bosses and maps made with a new grid so they dont seem like the same dungeon from another campaign with new details. I would definately recommend an endgame quest like the cyber quest in ao3...
The new campaigns, once you reach the second to last lvl are all about grinding to lvl cap. I think for alot of players it is a longlasting goal to keep them playing, but for sone players it is to enduring to even think about getting 100k exp especially if they have no plat... That is why i recomend a rewarding multi-part quest for players to feel like they have options in what they will do that day. Ok i will stop at that seems how i said my "short" perspective i dont know if any of this sounds good but it gives more options for the devs to consider while making the next campaign, though im sure they allready have many great suprises coming.

[Ayc2000]

To those people who say it's an option to buy plat, for the hundreth time, we know! But have you ever seen a single non plat buyer with those elite vanities? Probably only the ones who can play 24-7...don't keep saying that ohh everyone has an equal chance to do whatever, cause it's not true. And don't say that it's worth having the main spine free because it's oh so wonderful when the last few campaigns have been only a fraction as good as the old campaings back when we had to pay for them. People who don't buy plat are the underdogs, I can't even pvp because everyone else has a crafted set AND an elite vanity bonus. I can't level because I don't have a credit card or all the time in the world. So now the choice is either buy plat or have a not as good experience.

[Pharcyde]

To those people who say it's an option to buy plat, for the hundreth time, we know! But have you ever seen a single non plat buyer with those elite vanities? Probably only the ones who can play 24-7...don't keep saying that ohh everyone has an equal chance to do whatever, cause it's not true. And don't say that it's worth having the main spine free because it's oh so wonderful when the last few campaigns have been only a fraction as good as the old campaings back when we had to pay for them. People who don't buy plat are the underdogs, I can't even pvp because everyone else has a crafted set AND an elite vanity bonus. I can't level because I don't have a credit card or all the time in the world. So now the choice is either buy plat or have a not as good experience.

it was confirmed by a dev..

We don't want people to buy plat all the time (well, we do but we don't think that is realistic).

No Whirlzap, it is not. We've decorated the entire land. We give away a free antler hat. Last month we gave away Mt. Fang. We just gave away four chromebooks and several 800 plat packages. We're trying to balance out a good business with a game that, for some reason, people feel entitled to get _everything_ for free in.

Not listening to your customers still..

Still listening, just not posting as much. Drop rates in WF are huge, if you want to farm it over and over to sell your pinks to other players, by all means do so. If you want to get in and out and score a few nice holiday items, it should not cost you too much at all.

What does that mean?

Ohhh,, get filthy rich by spending platinum

Orrr... stay poor and don't spend platinum.