what killed pvp

[Kissaura]

awakes are fine, buff some damage for low levels. So all classes can fight in fairness. for high lvls, they look ok for now.

In my opinion, Its not about the damage being too low, it's about the armor being too high. Everyone wants to stack armor. Level 16s with 2k armor, using cottonkill/nekro which is even more protection, slotted in a samael which constantly heals them.. One tdm is like 40 minutes. I think the awakens needs to nerfed for gear under level 46. Armor especially. For example instead of max armor slot being 150 it should be like 75, The 125 one should be 60 or something and then 100 should be 50. And then do similar patterns with the other awakens.

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[LegendaryLeo]

In my opinion, Its not about the damage being too low, it's about the armor being too high. Everyone wants to stack armor. Level 16s with 2k armor, using cottonkill/nekro which is even more protection, slotted in a samael which constantly heals them.. One tdm is like 40 minutes. I think the awakens needs to nerfed for gear under level 46. Armor especially. For example instead of max armor slot being 150 it should be like 75, The 125 one should be 60 or something and then 100 should be 50. And then do similar patterns with the other awakens.

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scaling awakenings down wont stop the rich from having highest armor.

[Kissaura]

scaling awakenings down wont stop the rich from having highest armor.

It'll stop them from having as much armor as they have by decreasing the max armor they can get. If someone naturally naturally has 1000 armor before any awakens and they roll max armor every slot or something (I do realize it's highly unlikable. Just an example. Might even be able to get more. Just didn't feel like doing math.) it gets them to like 2500 armor or something. That's +1500. If you decrease the max roll they can get by half they'd only get like a total of 1750 armor. And the difference between fighting someone with 2500 armor and 1750 armor is huge. They will still have the most armor, and technically got what they paid for. Just not a ridiculously high amount for a lvl 13 or something.

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[LegendaryLeo]

It'll stop them from having as much armor as they have by decreasing the max armor they can get. If someone naturally naturally has 1000 armor before any awakens and they roll max armor every slot or something (I do realize it's highly unlikable. Just an example. Might even be able to get more. Just didn't feel like doing math.) it gets them to like 2500 armor or something. That's +1500. If you decrease the max roll they can get by half they'd only get like a total of 1750 armor. And the difference between fighting someone with 2500 armor and 1750 armor is huge. They will still have the most armor, and technically got what they paid for. Just not a ridiculously high amount for a lvl 13 or something.

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lol, for real ur quoting 13s now? xD. Take a look at you high levels and that armor HP atrocity, what about crit and dodge beyond 100%>? not insane enough? rogues do damage that rival the modded damage of developers(just an exaggeration but you get it), dont just focus on 'armor' awakes, when you could take a more fair and non-bias route of learning about other factors that could contribute.

[Kissaura]

lol, for real ur quoting 13s now? xD. Take a look at you high levels and that armor HP atrocity, what about crit and dodge beyond 100%>? not insane enough? rogues do damage that rival the modded damage of developers(just an exaggeration but you get it), dont just focus on 'armor' awakes, when you could take a more fair and non-bias route of learning about other factors that could contribute.

So you want them to nerf awakes everywhere lol? Thatd cause a riot. Of course I'm talking about low level 13s lol. Well not 13s in specifically but low levels. Didn't you say "buff damage" low levels. I thought that's what we were talking about. Low levels. I was just saying it's not the damage but armor in my opinion. Also you literally said "awakens are fine for high level" only problem you mentioned was low levels lol. So how do you start saying how high level rogues are broken all of a sudden lol? Also how would they even nerf it then? Would it be similar to my suggestion? Cuz you're just pointing out what's wrong but no actual suggestions lol. And even then it's hard to even understand what you actually think lol cuz one second you say "high levels are fine low levels need more damage". Then when I say it's not damage for low levels it's the excessive armor all of a sudden you're surprised I'm talking about low levels, when that originally was the topic, and how high level rogues are too strong lol.

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[LegendaryLeo]

So you want them to nerf awakes everywhere lol? Thatd cause a riot. Of course I'm talking about low level 13s lol. Well not 13s in specifically but low levels. Didn't you say "buff damage" low levels. I thought that's what we were talking about. Low levels. I was just saying it's not the damage but armor in my opinion. Also you literally said "awakens are fine for high level" only problem you mentioned was low levels lol. So how do you start saying how high level rogues are broken all of a sudden lol? Also how would they even nerf it then? Would it be similar to my suggestion? Cuz you're just pointing out what's wrong but no actual suggestions lol. And even then it's hard to even understand what you actually think lol cuz one second you say "high levels are fine low levels need more damage". Then when I say it's not damage for low levels it's the excessive armor all of a sudden you're surprised I'm talking about low levels, when that originally was the topic, and how high level rogues are too strong lol.

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armor is the instinctive thought of the cause, well if we dig deeper it is just a factor and not a main cause. Yet yes there is truth to ur statement and it is respectable.