Speed set buff or nerf?

[Futumsh]

English is not my first language, but i think is pretty easy to understand that 'Base movement speed' refers to your normal speed (same you have when you start game). Now they changed description and it says 'doubled', which is basically same thing we had before but for ppl wiith serious problems in maths. Still some dont understand

-Your base movement speed is 100%. If you have 0% ms like some ppl say, you are a statue.
-'200% ms' and 'base ms doubled' are exactly same thing.
-From what i've tested, the only change i see referred to 'speed passive skills now stack' is that now we can use 5/5 speed passive while using speed sets.
-You are not slower now. In fact, you are faster if you use passive speed skill points.

This is correct.

How things work: There are 2 types of speed buffs - multipliers and stats. Generally speaking, the smaller speed buffs are stats and the larger ones are multipliers. If you have a speed debuff, the debuff applies and the multiplier does not. If you don't have a debuff, your highest speed multiplier applies. Your speed is (unmodified character speed) * (evaluated multiplier) * (sum of speed stats).

So if you are not debuffed, have a speed set on (2x multiplier), and have 30% move speed from stats, your speed is (unmodified character speed) * 2 * 1.3.

The speed set description changed since people were confused by the old one, but its behavior did not change at all. The only speed related mechanics change is allowing the passive speed skills to stack (passive speed skills converted from multiplier to stats).

[Alexios]

This is correct.

How things work: There are 2 types of speed buffs - multipliers and stats. Generally speaking, the smaller speed buffs are stats and the larger ones are multipliers. If you have a speed debuff, the debuff applies and the multiplier does not. If you don't have a debuff, your highest speed multiplier applies. Your speed is (unmodified character speed) * (evaluated multiplier) * (sum of speed stats).

So if you are not debuffed, have a speed set on (2x multiplier), and have 30% move speed from stats, your speed is (unmodified character speed) * 2 * 1.3.

The speed set description changed since people were confused by the old one, but its behavior did not change at all. The only speed related mechanics change is allowing the passive speed skills to stack (passive speed skills converted from multiplier to stats).

This is good and much needed info, thanks.
I just have one more question on this, what are the pet happiness bonus that give % speed, are they stats or multipliers?

[Bluehazee]

This is good and much needed info, thanks.
I just have one more question on this, what are the pet happiness bonus that give % speed, are they stats or multipliers?

Only Cottonkill and Oswald (legendary and heroic versions) hapiness bonus applies when you use a haste set. Other pets with movement speed on their hb, like fenris, applies only if you are not using a haste set.
Awakenings and passive skill both stack, same as plat/video elixir

[Alexios]

Only Cottonkill and Oswald (legendary and heroic versions) hapiness bonus applies when you use a haste set. Other pets with movement speed on their hb, like fenris, applies only if you are not using a haste set.
Awakenings and passive skill both stack, same as plat/video elixir

Yes, but I asked that question to understand more about what happens at the time of debuff. For example when we take flags in CTF and if I am using hero deston with 30% speed. Now as Futumsh said its a multiplier that means it will get affected by the debuff as well.

Cool, we should have more threads like this explaining stuff

[Futumsh]

This is good and much needed info, thanks.
I just have one more question on this, what are the pet happiness bonus that give % speed, are they stats or multipliers?

Currently, speed stats (stacking) are used for:
* Skills: Passive Speed, Refuel
* Pets: Cottonkill / Oswald / Loco happy buffs
* Elixirs: 25% 30 minute speed elixir, Marshfoot elixir
* Awakenings

Everything else is a multiplier.

[Jiarijiba]

The speed set description changed since people were confused by the old one, but its behavior did not change at all. The only speed related mechanics change is allowing the passive speed skills to stack (passive speed skills converted from multiplier to stats).

So, if ss guys have speed skill at 5/5, are they even faster than before?

[Ebereasider]

So, if ss guys have speed skill at 5/5, are they even faster than before?

Yes, 10% faster (5% from 5/5 speed skill, which gets multiplied 2x from ss buff)

[Alexios]

Yes, 10% faster (5% from 5/5 speed skill, which gets multiplied 2x from ss buff)

Just 5%, it stacks over the speed set buff like awakes or pet HB. The ss buff is only 2x of base ms.

[Ebereasider]

Just 5%, it stacks over the speed set buff like awakes or pet HB. The ss buff is only 2x of base ms.

ms without passive speed and ss buff (no other ms buff) = 100%(base)*2 = 200%ms
ms with 5% passive speed and ss buff (no other ms buff) = 100%*1.05*2 = 210%ms
As i said, 10% faster, learn math

Reference:

So if you are not debuffed, have a speed set on (2x multiplier), and have 30% move speed from stats, your speed is (unmodified character speed) * 2 * 1.3