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    Kids. Stop. Update is awesome you can play PvP with just your skills now, no need stacking proc and abusing it. Imo very useful update , more balanced PvP now, warriors can still kill rogues no if skilled. I don't why everyone is crying about this, glint set is a very old set and it needs to go for sure from higher level PvP . Just play with pure skills now no need swapping all the time.

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    How many rogues are that op and if they are they spent 3x more money than you did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skolking View Post
    How many rogues are that op and if they are they spent 3x more money than you did.
    Ok let's run with this. I said 500m+ but for the sake of discussion we will use the number 500m. 500m◊3 is 1.5B. Any Rogues currently know how many 2K Dex Rogues are in game atm? If your a 2K Dex Rogue if you could post a SS of your stats unbuffed with Electra HB standing in a normal town or house I would greatly appreciated. I want to see the Raw damage comparison. And if you don't mind give estimate of how much you spent. Thx.

    Any 2K Int Mages feel free to join in if you want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearrr View Post
    Lol....Fun fact everyone. In a normal town(Chancel of Light/Order Precise Fury excluded). Highest Damage a War can push with no buffs/using VB with Electra HB would be about 5.9K Damage Range. And your going to need 2K Str to do this. Hmm let me see there is what...a Total of 2 Tanks in game who have Str this high? Cytotoxin and Aegis(If I'm missing a Tank anyone feel free to add to the list). Keep in mind people I'm Full Precise Fury War, With High Str% Awakes(Not saying the exact amount because that's nobody buisness but mine), who also has spent 500m+ on Gear. Also notice how low my Armor is to push Damage this high. Now if we take a Rouge/Mage with similar 2K Fin/Mind I guarantee you their damage is going to be more than 5.9K.
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    Dude stat comparison between classes is a very wrong thing to do, because then if warriors are aspiring to be DPS like rogues the trade off will be their base armor and health, are you ready to accept that?

    There is a reason why level 76 warrior weapons have better proc buffs than other 2 classes. The axe proc has dmg buff, haste, dot which btw over compensates for the low damage warriors get from stats, similarly aegis gives higher damage buff than the staff and dag.

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    Lol, I haven't seen any 2k Dex rogue except fopp, and one other one. They are rare compared to tanks.
    And know a 2k int mage will have more raw damage than that rogue. Since int gives more dmg than Dex without awakes.
    And a tank with 2k str and dozer axe will have up to 8k if not more dmg.

    Rogues gears will still cost more to than tanks or mages, even if then spend same cash on awakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyramid Head View Post
    Dude stat comparison between classes is a very wrong thing to do, because then if warriors are aspiring to be DPS like rogues the trade off will be their base armor and health, are you ready to accept that?

    There is a reason why level 76 warrior weapons have better proc buffs than other 2 classes. The axe proc has dmg buff, haste, dot which btw over compensates for the low damage warriors get from stats, similarly aegis gives higher damage buff than the staff and dag.
    That's a great point. In other MMORPG games when there is a choice between DPS War or Pure Tank, either HP or Armor is the trade off. I have no problem with that at all. Lets say War Dps swords in future have a similar Passive Proc as the Legendary Duskbringer Claymore Passively decrease armor by 30%(Or adjusted based on Lvl) for Class Balance. I would be perfectly fine with that.

    Also I didn't build my Tank like this because I wanted to become a Rogue. I built my Tank like this because AL does not offer Class Choice options or lets say Talent Trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skolking View Post
    Lol, I haven't seen any 2k Dex rogue except fopp, and one other one. They are rare compared to tanks.
    And know a 2k int mage will have more raw damage than that rogue. Since int gives more dmg than Dex without awakes.
    And a tank with 2k str and dozer axe will have up to 8k if not more dmg.

    Rogues gears will still cost more to than tanks or mages, even if then spend same cash on awakes
    There should be about 6 or more 2K Dex Rogues in game. There is 2 2K Str Tanks. A 2K Str Tank and Dozer Axe will have up to 8K if not more Damage? With No Buffs on and Proc? Please show me this 2K Tank who does

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    RIP glint set tank,

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    What was it's use, I don't really understand I see people using it it has very low armor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearrr View Post
    Ok let's run with this. I said 500m+ but for the sake of discussion we will use the number 500m. 500m◊3 is 1.5B. Any Rogues currently know how many 2K Dex Rogues are in game atm? If your a 2K Dex Rogue if you could post a SS of your stats unbuffed with Electra HB standing in a normal town or house I would greatly appreciated. I want to see the Raw damage comparison. And if you don't mind give estimate of how much you spent. Thx.

    Any 2K Int Mages feel free to join in if you want to.
    bro! dont try understand me wrong! im HAPPY that warriors have damage very happy!!! but they cant have best damage best armor and best health same time !!! just cant understand ? xDD when skull proc its should give - 50% armor and -50% health then it will be fair... but now with weapon procs warrior have best damage best armor and best health and THAT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR!!!! unbalances that dam pve totally

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    Quote Originally Posted by anacebela View Post
    bro! dont try understand me wrong! im HAPPY that warriors have damage very happy!!! but they cant have best damage best armor and best health same time !!! just cant understand ? xDD when skull proc its should give - 50% armor and -50% health then it will be fair... but now with weapon procs warrior have best damage best armor and best health and THAT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR!!!! unbalances that dam pve totally
    ''warriors weapons combo procs''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearrr View Post
    There should be about 6 or more 2K Dex Rogues in game. There is 2 2K Str Tanks. A 2K Str Tank and Dozer Axe will have up to 8K if not more Damage? With No Buffs on and Proc? Please show me this 2K Tank who does
    Raw dmg of 2,1k dex rouge 10,850dmg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loloo View Post
    Raw dmg of 2,1k dex rouge 10,850dmg

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    Quote Originally Posted by anacebela View Post
    bro! dont try understand me wrong! im HAPPY that warriors have damage very happy!!! but they cant have best damage best armor and best health same time !!! just cant understand ? xDD when skull proc its should give - 50% armor and -50% health then it will be fair... but now with weapon procs warrior have best damage best armor and best health and THAT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR!!!! unbalances that dam pve totally
    Hope dev/sts give consideration on this for total balance, warior got all that they have while a rogue cannot tank, warior now is like a godstrength with a high armor warior got what he wants.

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    I've got a really good idea for you. Why don't you go warrior? Just stop crying about things like that. Do you even think what will happen with warriors if this happens? Speed sets will be almost useless and many other things. There is one saying which says "Look before you leap." and i think it's right for you.
    "Control is an illusion"

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    Quote Originally Posted by anacebela View Post
    bro! dont try understand me wrong! im HAPPY that warriors have damage very happy!!! but they cant have best damage best armor and best health same time !!! just cant understand ? xDD when skull proc its should give - 50% armor and -50% health then it will be fair... but now with weapon procs warrior have best damage best armor and best health and THAT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR!!!! unbalances that dam pve totally
    Minus 50% HP/Armor. Lol stop donít get carried away. Lets be realistic every Warrior is not walking around with 24K + HP. The Average endgame Warrior prolly has 16K-17K HP. And for me to have 24K HP my armor has to be 8K range which at Lvl 76 is very low for a Warrior.

    You talk about Combo Procs from Weps which every class has the ability to do. And how much gold does it cost for a Warrior to own Skull Axe+Skull Aegis+Ebon Aegis+Ebon Sword+TB+Glint Aegis? Letís be realistic the average Warrior canít afford or is walking around with this many Weps. There is only a handful of Warriors who can afford to do this.

    Now lets move on to Class Roles. So in AL I think we all can agree a Warrior Role is to keep PT alive and hold aggro. So as a War if Iím doing my Class Role in Pve why are you concerned about what my HP/Damage/Armor is? Why does that even matter if Iím doing the Role Iím supposed to do? My Stats and doing my Role should be my concern not a Rogue or Mages, And hey now we even do some damage on the side *which makes the whole PT run faster*. Or now when we have the scenarios where you might be stuck with more than 1 War in Random or PT we are not looking at 20min+ runs and endless boss fights. So whatís problem?

    So you say totally unfair? Ok lets run with that. Warrior core attributes HP/Armor so ofc that should be the best. You keep saying best damage which is nonsense. It takes 4 to 5 other Weps Procs stacking to be even on the same damage Lvl as the other 2 classes. But thatís the price we have to pay literally to be able to do this. I see Rogues say look at Swamp Temple 2020 Group LB and Elite Valley Gates Group LB. Lol ok letís take a look at that.

    Swamp Temple 2020(Which is scaled to Lvl 76 so qualifies as this Seasonís/Expansions Content). I only have SS of the first 4 Places so I will read off the Top 4 teams. #1 1,064,816 Fox, Frisked ,Jarrius, Whatever(2 Rogues 2 Tanks), #2 1,036,799 Avahi, Cytotoxin, Joomills, Marroos(4 Wars). Now lets pause for a sec and take a look at this # 2 Spot. 4 War Pt making Top 10 LB has never been done before in Swamp Temple History (There has been a total of 3 Swamp Temples to date). 3 out of the 4 of these Wars Avahi, Cytotoxin, Marroos our some of the most Op Pve Wars in this gameÖWho have spent 500m+ in GearÖWhatís the problem? Moving on. #3 1,002,065 Bosat, Gnarsito, Kershys,Luciiferlml(1 War 2 Mages 1 Rogue). #4 988,465 Dzm, Gnaristo, Hes, Hulkkyst( 2 Wars 1 Mage 1 Rogue). In the Top 4 Spots you can see the diversity in classes. The 2nd 4 Tank PT placed 10th.

    Iím not going to talk about Solo Gates LB because you should only be worried about your own class LB. The other class LBís has nothing to do with you or should even be your concern. Elite Gates Group LB. 9/10 Spots on Elite Gates Group LB has one or more of 3/ 4 Tanks who put up 1m+ Points in Swamp Temple 2020. Moving on lets look at the #3 Spot which your in. 728,028 points you put up with 2 Tanks 1 Mage 1 Rogue. Thatís 282,518 points less(Which is prolly like what 5-6 more Waves maybe) then #1 Spot. Totally unfair though? Now the #1 Spot which happens to have the same 3/4 Tanks who put up 1m+ in Swamp Temple 2020 put up 1m+ points againÖImagine that lol crazy right?

    As you can see in the #3 Spot getting on this LB can be done and is fair enough for what is supposed to be the hardest Lvl 76 Elite Map. Now thatís up to the rest of the Endgame player baseÖThatís not my jobÖThatís not my problem. So here is a suggestion Lvl 76 playerís donít like how Elite Gates Group LB looks? Then stop crying, put your big boy pants on, and do something about it! And hey if Elite Gates is to hard for youÖThen this is not the LB for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobok View Post
    yea, just because of 1 complain about endgame pvp nice nice nice

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    This update is a solid goodbye to people overstacking armor gears with speed sets in between also the ABOUT TIME death of old proc kind of gears working in pvp. Seriously glintstone set from Ren'gol expansion should finally be gone or stick to a lvl cap where people twink at right now. Same thing was with certain people having broken armor gears to switch in between just before dying. How is that fun to anyone?
    Tanks with glintstone sets going at the back of the teamfight pulling and when supposed to die switching back to gears with armor to survive? If you're using 1 set manage to survive with it and stop calling it a skill at any point because it was boring to deal with.

    Another thing is with rogues using speed set to rejoin the fight to then switch to gears with a rough difference of extra 3k armor to just run in between tanks to get a heal shield? Manage to survive with that speed set you're using then, stop relying on buffs (duskbringer dagger armor buff => balanced daggers) and procs of the weapons (frightful shiv and tainted set switch at 66 cap) that literally is just a stat-wise abuse to get advantage.

    Get a set, determine how and when you want to use it and stick to the strategy.

    This is from rogue class point of view, never personally abused switching sets even before hotbar slots were implemented. The majority of people complaining are the ones with average of hundreds of millions worth spare sets against people doing pretty fine with 1 set of gear. Hence why we can see the "for real -10000" opinions here.

    This won't make PvP less active, it's gonna make it more skill based. Again about the time.
    Once again great update +1

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    Mostly I read here is us rogue crying, why warior never complain and not crying? Lol take a look at youre self, sts said we are family here rogue complain but warior reply a trashtalk words crying, then take a look who is none educated here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skolking View Post
    What was it's use, I don't really understand I see people using it it has very low armor
    It gives buff 3 pull axe at same time easy to catch rouges thats why this item is usefull if u are tank role in pvp

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