Vanities/Items returning each year

[Everlights]

Dear Cinco, I feel like there has to be a way to get over with the "items returning" problem once and for all. Since items return without us knowing which might return and which won't, and the items that return would probably be really rare but then come back and we lose profit, what if we receive some info about that ? For example, we can start sith the obvious events/periods. Winter/Christmas, Valentines, Halloween. Are the dedicated outfits for these events always going to come back each year? They came back each year so far from cold weather which was the very first outfit added to cupid and other sets. Are these vanities always going to be back each year ? As a suggestion, if they will always come back, I suggest their cost increases in plat and yes in a ridiculous way too, speaking of thousands of plat for example. That should have applied for the trinity and other arms this event but it's too late, and the "rare" things now are simply nothing. This question applies to other every, like this one we had armors with the trinity return, are they always going to return ? Summer outfits are they always gonna return? The ancient vendor which includes iron hand sets, glass masks and so on. Is that ever returning? Undead ? Bandanas for plat ? I feel like we don't know what's rare and what's worth buying anymore that'sthe only reason I made this thread. So far every single thing I bought so far was supposed to be "rare" but then later I see them coming back for a small amount of plat. Then I start looking for something else that is rare, grind to buy it and then boom it returns and becomes cheap. It's no good for merching to have only helix as a rare item, I don't want to grind to only buy a low level weapon that helps with nothing just to be sure I don't lose profit, and even that is still uncertain if you ask me, because the helix returning argument is one sided if you ask me. Bring me anyone that thinks helix shouldn't come back and I'm gonna make sure to prove to them that it should and they won'thave anything else to say. PS: ONLY 00.1% OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HELIX AT THE MOMENT, ARE OLD PLAYERS. Everyone else are new players that bought it somehow when it was being sold for 19mil on auc when dark legends started updating, and the reason they sold this "rare" item was because items like bvh elder tear undeadhammers and axes all returned for plat. And a small amount of plat. Which was unfair on their side of you ask me. Anyone would do what they did based on what they saw that was returning. So I assure you the.old players that have helix which are the only ones that we should be speaking of behalf, are only 2 or 3 players. Everyone else that owns helix at the moment, never actually had helix. Just bought and got lucky because of the silly items returning matter, including me I even admit it. I have helix and I want it to return because literally every other rare thing I had, came back and I am kinda over it. It makes more sense to me to have it return just like everything else. Bring it as lvl51 and the lvl26 stays. Just like old black heart gems and elder gems or hammers, they came back as higher levels and the lower levels normally stay. Very simple.

And if anyone has any idea of what other events there are that brought us vanities and wonder if they'llcome back or not, add them below please cause I can't recall everything at the moment.

So Cinco, please. Enlighten us. It feels like these are lost causes. Whether it's helix or the vanities returning. Help!

[Cinco]

First a multi-part question from me: what price are you asking for Helix? What are you willing to accept for Helix? Have you lowered the asking price in order to sell it while still making a profit?

[Everlights]

First a multi-part question from me: what price are you asking for Helix? What are you willing to accept for Helix? Have you lowered the asking price in order to sell it while still making a profit?

Fantastic questions! First question: I'll be straight forward with you. I hate to say it, but if I am to sell helix right at this moment after all these events and items/vanities returning, I would try to milk the highest price possible from a buyer. In general, people ask for more than 2billion now a days.

Second question: It's a bit hard to answer this one, because you see there are no other rare stuff now a days that are worth accepting, in exchange for helix. Personally, I would ask for stuff that have the potential to increase in price later on, so I can make profit off them in the future~which is how merching works at least in my view in order to make profit. But now to be Frank with you, there is nothing worth getting, you see normally I'd accept cupid set, avenger, trinity, umm red classic bath, items like this. But you see right now I wouldn't accept those because they all returned for plat either several times or twice at least which means they're cheap now and it's not worth it anymore, and guess whattt I have sold a second helix I had for those items which means I lost so much profit and it's nt the first time, which encourages me now to not bother and sell the last one I have for anything and stick to it like crazy or ask for an insane price instead, because real talk someone name something worth getting now a days for helix and if I'm convinced. In contradictory to what I answered in the first question, I'll gladly sell it even if it's a cheaper price than what people sell for, I go for items that will make me profit in the future, not make me lose a lot of it.

Third question: I guess my other answers answer this one.. if I am to sell cheaper than usual in these circumstances when nothing is worth obtaining, I will never make profit because those items are cheap and will never get higher especially that they return and people are aware of that.

[themythrise]

First a multi-part question from me: what price are you asking for Helix? What are you willing to accept for Helix? Have you lowered the asking price in order to sell it while still making a profit?

Now morethan 10 players selling helix for gold. You know why Cinco, they want to hoard the gold atleast a billion gold. The scenario in the market is now becoming balanced. I aint saying fully balanced.
The DL market should not be an asset of some rich players. Indeed, who are all holding helix now days, they are not real old players. And they are not allowing DL gaming community to grow. Because,
1) when newbie player start today to play this game. That new Player cann't manage gold for Blood Packs initially
2) new player may buy new outfits/gold for plats, but still cannt co-up with DL market items.
3) The rare concept is designed based on the item by some players(item introduced year & whether it returns or not). If item returns, then its not rare.
4) Now everything returning... Why not reforged, recoloured helix??? It should come to balance the DL market first.

Cinco, now it's time to introduce the High Level Vanities. An option to wear different shoes/glows/wings. Customisation on character.

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[Malladus]

What good would helix do for the player base? All it does will liquidate the price and people would move on to the next item because helix is a "common" item and they will move on to another "rare item" to complain about. Right now everyone is panicking selling their high valued items for a lower price and tbh it hit helix prices pretty hard too. The prices on helix aren't impossible to get but it really rewarding items once you get it. If you bring it back, then it defeats the purpose of having this most sought after items everybody in the dark legend community wants to get. It's not just an item but a symbol & a trophy in the darklegend game.

[Everlights]

What good would helix do for the player base? All it does will liquidate the price and people would move on to the next item because helix is a "common" item and they will move on to another "rare item" to complain about. Right now everyone is panicking selling their high valued items for a lower price and tbh it hit helix prices pretty hard too. The prices on helix aren't impossible to get but it really rewarding items once you get it. If you bring it back, then it defeats the purpose of having this most sought after items everybody in the dark legend community wants to get. It's not just an item but a symbol & a trophy in the darklegend game.

You clearly skipped all the comments and possibly only read the title "helix return"

I'm not gonna repeat the points replying to your comment so just go read it by yourself if you're interested

[Everlights]

What good would helix do for the player base? All it does will liquidate the price and people would move on to the next item because helix is a "common" item and they will move on to another "rare item" to complain about. Right now everyone is panicking selling their high valued items for a lower price and tbh it hit helix prices pretty hard too. The prices on helix aren't impossible to get but it really rewarding items once you get it. If you bring it back, then it defeats the purpose of having this most sought after items everybody in the dark legend community wants to get. It's not just an item but a symbol & a trophy in the darklegend game.

Plus I don't see anyone selling their items "cheap" everything is yet still the same

[Deusagor]

first of all i wanna apologize for my last thread mistake i was just mad at that fact that why people act rude just dont say anything if u dont have anything positive to say

anyways
u said that things should come back with a huge amounts of plat which leads to the point that helix will somewhat cost 30k plats because of how rare and how expensive it is as well as many have there eyes on it idk much and im not gonna say much.

but them theres also is a weird thing about how the item prices are in game 2bn 3bn 500m <.< thats huge amounts no kidding is there a way to fix these prices cause i feel like im in the stock market prices can go down or up anytime lol anyways....

helix is a lvl 26 item what are u gonna gain by getting it back 0-0 sometimes people who have em tell me its **** and then soon the sell it off just scream for helix ull get a response how much lol we have much much better looking weapons now as well as stronger ones such a the gelid which was a dam good choice plus colour by cinco and his crew.

just dont bring it back otherwise we know how dl players react lol(except for a few)

[Everlights]

first of all i wanna apologize for my last thread mistake i was just mad at that fact that why people act rude just dont say anything if u dont have anything positive to say

anyways
u said that things should come back with a huge amounts of plat which leads to the point that helix will somewhat cost 30k plats because of how rare and how expensive it is as well as many have there eyes on it idk much and im not gonna say much.

but them theres also is a weird thing about how the item prices are in game 2bn 3bn 500m <.< thats huge amounts no kidding is there a way to fix these prices cause i feel like im in the stock market prices can go down or up anytime lol anyways....

helix is a lvl 26 item what are u gonna gain by getting it back 0-0 sometimes people who have em tell me its **** and then soon the sell it off just scream for helix ull get a response how much lol we have much much better looking weapons now as well as stronger ones such a the gelid which was a dam good choice plus colour by cinco and his crew.

just dont bring it back otherwise we know how dl players react lol(except for a few)

I'm really trying to put effort here speaking of this matter so can you please at least comment something helpful with an argument maybe? First, No item costs over a billion except helix. Second, 30k is an insane plat number that you just threw in, you could have suggested a number instead of throwing in words. Doesn't matter the amount of plat it surely wouldn't be more than 1k plat because It has no reason to be, if you read what I've said carefully you can tell where I'm coming from. Which is not gambling the price of helix but talk about bringing it back at all instead. Red bath and blue bikini costed 500m+ but they came back for 300 plat. Trinity 500m+ but also are now 300 plat. You get it? We're talking about having it back in the first place not gamble it's price

[Warzone]

first of all i wanna apologize for my last thread mistake i was just mad at that fact that why people act rude just dont say anything if u dont have anything positive to say

anyways
u said that things should come back with a huge amounts of plat which leads to the point that helix will somewhat cost 30k plats because of how rare and how expensive it is as well as many have there eyes on it idk much and im not gonna say much.

but them theres also is a weird thing about how the item prices are in game 2bn 3bn 500m <.< thats huge amounts no kidding is there a way to fix these prices cause i feel like im in the stock market prices can go down or up anytime lol anyways....

helix is a lvl 26 item what are u gonna gain by getting it back 0-0 sometimes people who have em tell me its **** and then soon the sell it off just scream for helix ull get a response how much lol we have much much better looking weapons now as well as stronger ones such a the gelid which was a dam good choice plus colour by cinco and his crew.

just dont bring it back otherwise we know how dl players react lol(except for a few)

Helix is ugly and worthless and just stand there in street or sanctuary to flex weapon and all this crying over rare items returning cause price will lower is just stupid and make no sense at all

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[Everlights]

Helix is ugly and worthless and just stand there in street or sanctuary to flex weapon and all this crying over rare items returning cause price will lower is just stupid and make no sense at all

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It's one of the two. You have the brain cells of a peanut, or you just didn't read the thread and the comments properly to understand the point. Maybe you read and you still said that which also means you got the braincells of a peanut

[Warzone]

It's one of the two. You have the brain cells of a peanut, or you just didn't read the thread and the comments properly to understand the point. Maybe you read and you still said that which also means you got the braincells of a peanut

It doesn't matter how u put it to me helix is ugly and worthless. I said what I said cause I wanted to everytime I come on forum it's helix this helix that cry cry why isn't it coming back omg and that bringing it back for 30k plat lmao there isnt one item in this game worth paying 30k plat ppl crazy asf if they think ppl will pay 30k for dumb *** weapon that has no use at all

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[themythrise]

It doesn't matter how u put it to me helix is ugly and worthless. I said what I said cause I wanted to everytime I come on forum it's helix this helix that cry cry why isn't it coming back omg and that bringing it back for 30k plat lmao there isnt one item in this game worth paying 30k plat ppl crazy asf if they think ppl will pay 30k for dumb *** weapon that has no use at all

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This guy is really crazy. He dnt know what's he is talking about. Lol. As per him, every time he comes to forum... Its helix.. That's what others want. LOL

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[Cinco]

A cornerstone of virtual items’ secondary market is the fact that none of the items are perishable. If instead of Helix you had a thousand pounds of beef, you’d need to freeze it to maintain its value and then sell it before it spoiled. If the Helix never returns you don’t need to sell it, you can just assume that you have the equivalent of its gold value so long as its in your stash. On the other hand, if Helix does return and you’re holding it thinking that it’s worth billions you “lose gold” because the market doesn’t support your asking price. Here is the kicker tho: in every case where the item is not selling it doesn’t have any actual value (unless you’re selling for real money on the black market - but that’s a whole other can of worms that we are not discussing here).

You should assume that items will return. You’re here on the forums so you are aware that a growing majority of players are asking for the return of Helix in particular. I’ve resisted this because I still see a difference between event items and level cap items, but it is probably just a matter of time before everything old comes back and there are only new items in collectors stashes.

When collectors sit on items for years at a stretch it doesn’t help the economy, it makes new players and less monied older players feel desperately inadequate and it leads to widespread community initiatives to “bring back” items of value that only a few active players still possess. My advice is to sell stuff when you have a buyer that offers a reasonable price.

[Everlights]

A cornerstone of virtual items’ secondary market is the fact that none of the items are perishable. If instead of Helix you had a thousand pounds of beef, you’d need to freeze it to maintain its value and then sell it before it spoiled. If the Helix never returns you don’t need to sell it, you can just assume that you have the equivalent of its gold value so long as its in your stash. On the other hand, if Helix does return and you’re holding it thinking that it’s worth billions you “lose gold” because the market doesn’t support your asking price. Here is the kicker tho: in every case where the item is not selling it doesn’t have any actual value (unless you’re selling for real money on the black market - but that’s a whole other can of worms that we are not discussing here).

You should assume that items will return. You’re here on the forums so you are aware that a growing majority of players are asking for the return of Helix in particular. I’ve resisted this because I still see a difference between event items and level cap items, but it is probably just a matter of time before everything old comes back and there are only new items in collectors stashes.

When collectors sit on items for years at a stretch it doesn’t help the economy, it makes new players and less monied older players feel desperately inadequate and it leads to widespread community initiatives to “bring back” items of value that only a few active players still possess. My advice is to sell stuff when you have a buyer that offers a reasonable price.

Thank you for the reply Cinco, I agree with all the points you made.

[Everlights]

A cornerstone of virtual items’ secondary market is the fact that none of the items are perishable. If instead of Helix you had a thousand pounds of beef, you’d need to freeze it to maintain its value and then sell it before it spoiled. If the Helix never returns you don’t need to sell it, you can just assume that you have the equivalent of its gold value so long as its in your stash. On the other hand, if Helix does return and you’re holding it thinking that it’s worth billions you “lose gold” because the market doesn’t support your asking price. Here is the kicker tho: in every case where the item is not selling it doesn’t have any actual value (unless you’re selling for real money on the black market - but that’s a whole other can of worms that we are not discussing here).

You should assume that items will return. You’re here on the forums so you are aware that a growing majority of players are asking for the return of Helix in particular. I’ve resisted this because I still see a difference between event items and level cap items, but it is probably just a matter of time before everything old comes back and there are only new items in collectors stashes.

When collectors sit on items for years at a stretch it doesn’t help the economy, it makes new players and less monied older players feel desperately inadequate and it leads to widespread community initiatives to “bring back” items of value that only a few active players still possess. My advice is to sell stuff when you have a buyer that offers a reasonable price.

Vykryth was not only recoloured but even worse. It was a drop back in previous Halloween events and yes I'm old enough that I even know that, it dropped along with the ghost and other pets really easy which made it become really cheap ALTHOUGH it is a level cap item (31) cap. So I guess this cancels the level cap item difference for helix, if it doesn't then I don't know what does

[themythrise]

Vykryth was not only recoloured but even worse. It was a drop back in previous Halloween events and yes I'm old enough that I even know that, it dropped along with the ghost and other pets really easy which made it become really cheap ALTHOUGH it is a level cap item (31) cap. So I guess this cancels the level cap item difference for helix, if it doesn't then I don't know what does

Absolutely. If vykryth can drop which is lvl 32 cap item. Why not helix?

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[themythrise]

Absolutely. If vykryth can drop which is lvl 32 cap item. Why not helix?

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Sry lvl 31 cap item, Even Book pet lvl 36 cap returned in last event with effect. Why not helix???

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[Mr.Sai]

A cornerstone of virtual items’ secondary market is the fact that none of the items are perishable. If instead of Helix you had a thousand pounds of beef, you’d need to freeze it to maintain its value and then sell it before it spoiled. If the Helix never returns you don’t need to sell it, you can just assume that you have the equivalent of its gold value so long as its in your stash. On the other hand, if Helix does return and you’re holding it thinking that it’s worth billions you “lose gold” because the market doesn’t support your asking price. Here is the kicker tho: in every case where the item is not selling it doesn’t have any actual value (unless you’re selling for real money on the black market - but that’s a whole other can of worms that we are not discussing here).

You should assume that items will return. YouÂ’re here on the forums so you are aware that a growing majority of players are asking for the return of Helix in particular. IÂ’ve resisted this because I still see a difference between event items and level cap items, but it is probably just a matter of time before everything old comes back and there are only new items in collectors stashes.

When collectors sit on items for years at a stretch it doesn’t help the economy, it makes new players and less monied older players feel desperately inadequate and it leads to widespread community initiatives to “bring back” items of value that only a few active players still possess. My advice is to sell stuff when you have a buyer that offers a reasonable price.

Yes @Cinco Sir, I have agreed with your viewpoint. I have in general , no idea about how many "Kriegberg Helix of Invasion" (Legendary weapon - Level 26) are still present on the game.
Now, if it's an old level cap reward, we cannot request it to be back for sure as per your perspective and we agree 💯.
"Prices are something which people are paying in actual terms." And it defines it's value.
I am a bit addicted to this game and definitely the bringing back of old items has helped newbies to collect stuffs which only the old collectors used to have before. So, thank you on their behalf.
Now coming to the point of this Helix weapon. So, basically it's a trash to me honestly speaking as we are Level 51 and buying a very low level weapon is not helpful to me ( neither in Farming Gold/ Kills nor for PvP purposes ).

If it's for showing off and self ego, it should have been made Non-tradeable from the very beginning when it was distributed among players to make it a signature of being an "Old Player" but, unfortunately, It was tradeable and that's where the problem begun.

Now, it has come such a long way after so many years of events and higher level caps, that it's not logical to say to bring it back for the sake of collection only because of it's rarity and it's value.

It's not a useful item like any vanity which give titles or achievement.
It's not an equipment which gives title like the "Lord of Storms" Set.
And if we want a cool looking electrical weapon other than Centipede, Khanda, Trisula and Helix, we can send our designs and ask for them on forum.
Let's not ask for Helix and have some more cool equipment of our high level and better looking than that because the designs of our Developers have never disappointed us before.

And if you want to see same shape as Helix weapons, farm in Old Town Cemetry or Fresnel Cemetry, you will drop lots of weapons in that shape and size & ofcourse without Electricity or else what will make the difference of billion sum of gold. Personally, I like those big Axes shaped ones lol but not gonna pay a sum of billion for a trash item now.
Rather, we can wait for better good looking equipments than spending huge amount on this and also, as Sir @Cinco mentioned --- "but it is probably just a matter of time before everything old comes back and there are only new items in collectors stashes."
So, I can assume that on some day of some year, that trash item can be back too as a better version for equal distribution in the community after how many years we don't know but "maybe" as a non-tradeable one. (God knows ? Lol)
Signing off, thanks for this beautiful Valentine's event, I enjoyed a lot. See you all soon ❤️

[Evildantee]

A cornerstone of virtual items’ secondary market is the fact that none of the items are perishable. If instead of Helix you had a thousand pounds of beef, you’d need to freeze it to maintain its value and then sell it before it spoiled. If the Helix never returns you don’t need to sell it, you can just assume that you have the equivalent of its gold value so long as its in your stash. On the other hand, if Helix does return and you’re holding it thinking that it’s worth billions you “lose gold” because the market doesn’t support your asking price. Here is the kicker tho: in every case where the item is not selling it doesn’t have any actual value (unless you’re selling for real money on the black market - but that’s a whole other can of worms that we are not discussing here).

You should assume that items will return. You’re here on the forums so you are aware that a growing majority of players are asking for the return of Helix in particular. I’ve resisted this because I still see a difference between event items and level cap items, but it is probably just a matter of time before everything old comes back and there are only new items in collectors stashes.

When collectors sit on items for years at a stretch it doesn’t help the economy, it makes new players and less monied older players feel desperately inadequate and it leads to widespread community initiatives to “bring back” items of value that only a few active players still possess. My advice is to sell stuff when you have a buyer that offers a reasonable price.

Cinco sir you said soon enough all old items will return back and I've two questions from that :
First will we be getting the elder blood stone of sprite, moon stone of grind and beast stone of drive because those are actually needed due to the minute number of tradeable versions of it because presently only 4 players I know own those gems and none of them I asked are selling at any price then also Gonzalo the vanity thief because you said he would return in a future event so I'd like to know if this will be soon too so that most of the glassmasks that are being hoarded e.g the royal curse and love slice's glassmasks can be made available to all who desire to collect them
My second question is , will all the items from events stop returning after all the old items come back ?
Hopefully you can say something on this because many of us are interested in knowing what you've to say about this