Why you shouldn't use (Stacking) Damage pets

[Encryptions]

If you are using no procs then you can use them. If you use procs do not use them. I made this because I get many people asking me about stacking pets and nonstacking pets. Just because something looks better doesn't mean it is.
Stacking pets are only good for nonproc users and people who use elixirs in towns wanting to look flashy with super high damage. Hehehe me.

300% damage from doz axe.

Nonstack 14,566.62
Base 4,855.54

Stack 12,794.56 If it was a nonstack pet then the damage would be 14,393.88.
Base 4,797.96

Stacking pet 35% damage.
1,000 base damage.
300% dozer axe proc.
Formula: (1,000 * 3 + 1,000 * .35)
1,000 * 300% = 3,000
1,000 * .35 = 350
3,000 + 350 = 3,350 damage.

Nonstacking pet 35% damage.
1,000 base damage.
300% dozer proc.
Formula: [(1000 * .35 + 1000) 3]
1,000 * .35 = 350
1,000 + 350 = 1,350
1,350 * 3 = 4,050
Which equals 4,050 damage.

To put into full speculation. Say you are a warrior with 5,000 damage 20% damage nonstack pet and you proc Dozer axe (300%) Doz aegis (300%) Ebon vest (300%).
5,000(3)(3)(3) would be 135,000 damage. If you used a 20% damage stacking pet; you would lose 26,000 damage.
Base 4,000 damage.
5,000 * .20 = 1,000
4,000(3)(3)(3) = 108,000
108,000 + 1000 = 109,000
135,000 - 109,000 = 26,000

Video I made with me talking in it.

[Soniagurlz]

If you are using no procs then you can use them. If you use procs do not use them. I made this because I get many people asking me about stacking pets and nonstacking pets. Just because something looks better doesn't mean it is.
Stacking pets are only good for nonproc users and people who use elixirs in towns wanting to look flashy with super high damage. Hehehe me.

300% damage from doz axe.

Nonstack 14,566.62
Base 4,855.54

Stack 12,794.56 If it was a nonstack pet then the damage would be 14,393.88.
Base 4,797.96

Stacking pet 35% damage.
1,000 base damage.
300% dozer axe proc.
Formula: (1,000 * 3 + 1,000 * .35)
1,000 * 300% = 3,000
1,000 * .35 = 350
3,000 + 350 = 3,350 damage.

Nonstacking pet 35% damage.
1,000 base damage.
300% dozer proc.
Formula: [(1000 * .35 + 1000) 3]
1,000 * .35 = 350
1,000 + 350 = 1,350
1,350 * 3 = 4,050
Which equals 4,050 damage.

To put into full speculation. Say you are a warrior with 5,000 damage 20% damage nonstack pet and you proc Dozer axe (300%) Doz aegis (300%) Ebon vest (300%).
5,000(3)(3)(3) would be 135,000 damage. If you used a 20% damage stacking pet; you would lose 26,000 damage.
Base 4,000 damage.
5,000 * .20 = 1,000
4,000(3)(3)(3) = 108,000
108,000 + 1000 = 109,000
135,000 - 109,000 = 26,000

Video I made with me talking in it.

Yeahhh i'm using heroic Oswald when it say 20%stack and 30%damage when pet max.lvl... but electra more damage then my heroic Oswald...

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[firebelt & crystalkiller]

If you are using no procs then you can use them. If you use procs do not use them. I made this because I get many people asking me about stacking pets and nonstacking pets. Just because something looks better doesn't mean it is.
Stacking pets are only good for nonproc users and people who use elixirs in towns wanting to look flashy with super high damage. Hehehe me.

300% damage from doz axe.

Nonstack 14,566.62
Base 4,855.54

Stack 12,794.56 If it was a nonstack pet then the damage would be 14,393.88.
Base 4,797.96

Stacking pet 35% damage.
1,000 base damage.
300% dozer axe proc.
Formula: (1,000 * 3 + 1,000 * .35)
1,000 * 300% = 3,000
1,000 * .35 = 350
3,000 + 350 = 3,350 damage.

Nonstacking pet 35% damage.
1,000 base damage.
300% dozer proc.
Formula: [(1000 * .35 + 1000) 3]
1,000 * .35 = 350
1,000 + 350 = 1,350
1,350 * 3 = 4,050
Which equals 4,050 damage.

To put into full speculation. Say you are a warrior with 5,000 damage 20% damage nonstack pet and you proc Dozer axe (300%) Doz aegis (300%) Ebon vest (300%).
5,000(3)(3)(3) would be 135,000 damage. If you used a 20% damage stacking pet; you would lose 26,000 damage.
Base 4,000 damage.
5,000 * .20 = 1,000
4,000(3)(3)(3) = 108,000
108,000 + 1000 = 109,000
135,000 - 109,000 = 26,000

Video I made with me talking in it.

Super good job..
But the 25% stacking Dr is still too hard to lose.. So we use arc precious or loveling. But this might work better for rogs or mages in pt evg, as they don't need Dr.
Or better for war where mobs do less dmg.



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[Archugejackmen]

Isnt the whole point of stacking% pets so that you can use elixirs together with the pet?

[Encryptions]

Isnt the whole point of stacking% pets so that you can use elixirs together with the pet?

Yeah, I haven't done the math with elixirs and stacking pet yet tbh. I would try later once I am off work.

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[zazapapata]

Stacking dmg pet give more damage with many proc and also with damage elix , but stacking damage still better without elix too if u have many proc thats give more damage than non stack.

[Encryptions]

Stacking dmg pet give more damage with many proc and also with damage elix , but stacking damage still better without elix too if u have many proc thats give more damage than non stack.

Dude go test it for your self.

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[synoptix]

lets say
- for pve: with 30% damage elixir/with arcane armors procs/with mephisto AA: pets with stacking %damage always wins because buffs mentioned before are not stacking and only highest works.
- for pvp: your damage often getting reduced (mage's gun proc, mage's curse, some pets' passives), if you use pet with NOT stacking damage - that damage will be totally removed (if pet with stacking dmg - its just getting reduced for small amount), also with arcane armor proc - stacking %dmg from pet will give u much more damage

example about reducing damage in pvp:
-if you using 25% stacking damage pet, when mage gun reduce your damage by 15% you will have 125*(100%-15%)= 106,25% damage (from 125% to 106 its really 15% reduce)
-if you using 25% not stacking dmg pet, mage gun will remove that 25%damage and reduce for 15%more, so u will have 85%damage (from 125% to 85%, its like 32% dmg reduce)


-for pve for any lb or any high result u go with all possible elixirs (including 30%damage) - its why pets with stacking damage are better
-for pvp - best happiness bonuses usually with stacking dmg, like give me example what pet's HB can be better for pvp than arc precious/loveling (only churro for some crazy testing warriors, and definetely its not about his type of %dmg)

The thing where 'not stacking dmg pet' is good is only farming something regular like dm without elixirs and if u dont have arc armor

To put into full speculation. Say you are a warrior with 5,000 damage 20% damage nonstack pet and you proc Dozer axe (300%) Doz aegis (300%) Ebon vest (300%).
5,000(3)(3)(3) would be 135,000 damage. If you used a 20% damage stacking pet; you would lose 26,000 damage.

If you get proc of arcane armor 71/76 (which is 'not stacking dmg'), u will not have 20% 'not stacking damage' from pet, only highest will work (which is 300% from armor proc for that moment)
im not sure how much %of stacking damage dozer axe and dozer aegis gives but it will be something like
With 20% nonstack dmg pet:
your damage = (base dmg without pet) * (highest from nonstacking, its your arc armor buff in this situation)*(dozer axe+dozer aegis)
With 20% stacking dmg pet:
your damage = (base dmg without pet) * (highest from nonstacking, its again arc armor) * (dozer axe + dozer aegis+20%)

idk how did you count that 5000(3)(3)(3), its definetely wrong. Arcane armor proc + stacking dmg pet always wins against arcane armor proc + nonstacking dmg pet (with any other buffs and debuffs)

[Deathlyreaper]

Isnt the whole point of stacking% pets so that you can use elixirs together with the pet?

exactly, if u aren’t using elixirs and u are using stacking % then it’s a waste (other than stacking dmg reduction)


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[Andi wibowo]

If you are using no procs then you can use them. If you use procs do not use them. I made this because I get many people asking me about stacking pets and nonstacking pets. Just because something looks better doesn't mean it is.
Stacking pets are only good for nonproc users and people who use elixirs in towns wanting to look flashy with super high damage. Hehehe me.

300% damage from doz axe.

Nonstack 14,566.62
Base 4,855.54

Stack 12,794.56 If it was a nonstack pet then the damage would be 14,393.88.
Base 4,797.96

Stacking pet 35% damage.
1,000 base damage.
300% dozer axe proc.
Formula: (1,000 * 3 + 1,000 * .35)
1,000 * 300% = 3,000
1,000 * .35 = 350
3,000 + 350 = 3,350 damage.

Nonstacking pet 35% damage.
1,000 base damage.
300% dozer proc.
Formula: [(1000 * .35 + 1000) 3]
1,000 * .35 = 350
1,000 + 350 = 1,350
1,350 * 3 = 4,050
Which equals 4,050 damage.

To put into full speculation. Say you are a warrior with 5,000 damage 20% damage nonstack pet and you proc Dozer axe (300%) Doz aegis (300%) Ebon vest (300%).
5,000(3)(3)(3) would be 135,000 damage. If you used a 20% damage stacking pet; you would lose 26,000 damage.
Base 4,000 damage.
5,000 * .20 = 1,000
4,000(3)(3)(3) = 108,000
108,000 + 1000 = 109,000
135,000 - 109,000 = 26,000

Video I made with me talking in it.

There are 3 damage multiplier in this game:
1. lets call it "multiplier 1"
It multiply ur base damage and they not stacking: 30%damage elixir, damage pet (non stacking), ebon armor, abyssal, chasmal, sunken.

So damage pet (not stacking) and ebon armor didnt stack.

And if u use 30% damage elixir, that damage pet (not stacking) is useless except when it has more than 30% damage

2. Lets call it "multiplier 2"
It multiply ur damage after multiplied by "multiplier 1":
Skratch staff, dozer axe, duggar dagger

3. lets call it "multiplier 3"
It multiply ur base damage, didn't get affected by "multiplier 2", but multiplied by "multiplier 1" and they stacking: 25% damage elix ads, damage pet (stacking), Interred set, buried set, hidden set

So thats why damage pet (not stacking) pet give more damage if u only use dozer axe.

[Encryptions]

I guess nonstack is good for warrior only since it procs 2 weapons and 1 vest and stacking is good for rog and mage since it procs 1 damage buff weapon and 1 vest. Vest proc counters the loss on weapon.

[synoptix]

There are 3 damage multiplier in this game:
1. lets call it "multiplier 1"
It multiply ur base damage and they not stacking: 30%damage elixir, damage pet (non stacking), ebon armor, abyssal, chasmal, sunken.

So damage pet (not stacking) and ebon armor didnt stack.

And if u use 30% damage elixir, that damage pet (not stacking) is useless except when it has more than 30% damage

2. Lets call it "multiplier 2"
It multiply ur damage after multiplied by "multiplier 1":
Skratch staff, dozer axe, duggar dagger

3. lets call it "multiplier 3"
It multiply ur base damage, didn't get affected by "multiplier 2", but multiplied by "multiplier 1" and they stacking: 25% damage elix ads, damage pet (stacking), Interred set, buried set, hidden set

So thats why damage pet (not stacking) pet give more damage if u only use dozer axe.

whats difference between 2nd and 3rd multiplier? Its same things, in dmg formula they getting multiplied only by 1st multiplier, difference is only that u separated them into 2 different groups because one of them gives u ~200% stacking dmg and other ~20%-100% stacking dmg?

[Andi wibowo]

whats difference between 2nd and 3rd multiplier? Its same things, in dmg formula they getting multiplied only by 1st multiplier, difference is only that u separated them into 2 different groups because one of them gives u ~200% stacking dmg and other ~20%-100% stacking dmg?

So its same, haha, sorry

[synoptix]

So its same, haha, sorry

for example: rogue have arcane armor proc + duggar dagger + fade arti proc + hidden set proc + 25% stacking elix + guenievere AA and fighting elite boss with armored zhulong HB
damage will be:
(your damage without pets)*(300% arcane armor)*(100% + 150% + 25 % + 100% + 25% + 50% + 20% + 20%)= (your.dmg.without.pets)*3*4.9

armored zhulong 20% nonstack damage not working because rogue has higher 'non stacking damage' at that moment (300% from arcane armor)
+150% - stacking damage from duggar dagger
+25% - fade arti proc
+100% - hidden set proc (it has wrong description tho, "adds 100% stacking damage" would be more correct)
+25% - stacking elix dmg (by ads/plats)
+50% - guenievere
+20% + 20% - boss and elite dmg from arm zhulong HB

[zazapapata]

I guess nonstack is good for warrior only since it procs 2 weapons and 1 vest and stacking is good for rog and mage since it procs 1 damage buff weapon and 1 vest. Vest proc counters the loss on weapon.

Stacking damage give more damage with many procs, also damage elix worth with only stack damage, so still better than no stack damage for any and any class, that why new pets always stacking damage.

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[Andi wibowo]

I guess nonstack is good for warrior only since it procs 2 weapons and 1 vest and stacking is good for rog and mage since it procs 1 damage buff weapon and 1 vest. Vest proc counters the loss on weapon.

U have 2 vest, use ebon armor after chasmal proc over and use chasmal after ebon armor proc over

[shadowronn]

ignorant price increaser is dumb a$$ at math go learn better math manipulater thats why you are failure bitchass. im have fun with your mom tonight ������

Lol..........

[profmsb]

i m blurr at all the formula n math..but,if not mistaken,the purpose of stacking dmg,by its definition...to increase dmge by stack the damage from multiple source right?altho,there is some rule that prevent extreme stacking...still,supposedly,it shuld be more dmge compare to using non stacking pet hb right??

[LuckyDread]

Dam encryptions aka (math musician!)


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[Silly Lily]

Such a helpful thread! Thank you for sharing with community