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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehdikillerd View Post
    True we dont want "rogue legends" again

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    I don't get it, can you guys read?
    Nobody asked rogues to be OP compare to other classes.
    that "rogue legends" thing was in a time that rogue was way better than other classes.

    now instead of calling for balance between all classes, you wanna keep the rogues behind.
    the hypocrisy of you people is unreal.
    I guess that you are one of the people that asked warrior/mages to get a buff before (which is fine since rogues truely was OP back then) but when its the other way around you say nah, keep them out of EVG / new maps, their class used to be OP so they don't deserve to be good.
    what a hypocrite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergia View Post
    I don't get it, can you guys read?
    Nobody asked rogues to be OP compare to other classes.
    that "rogue legends" thing was in a time that rogue was way better than other classes.

    now instead of calling for balance between all classes, you wanna keep the rogues behind.
    the hypocrisy of you people is unreal.
    I guess that you are one of the people that asked warrior/mages to get a buff before (which is fine since rogues truely was OP back then) but when its the other way around you say nah, keep them out of EVG / new maps, their class used to be OP so they don't deserve to be good.
    what a hypocrite
    Im bet 3bag of chips u playing rogue rn yourself
    Even when its "rogue legend" time rogue player still wanted to buff rogue (buff trap and razor shield etc)

    Theres no way to satisfy everyone, and as i said, rogue is slightly weaker in pve, but dominating in
    almost every aspect, pick ur play style
    Hypocrite.. heh
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    Yes I'm saying I don't care if rogues need help in one map but dominate every other map. I'm hoping we need all 3 classes in the expansion.

    Don't worry as rogues power up at the next cap I'm sure you will nuke the waves in 4 rogue parties through wave 1000000000000000000000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergia View Post
    I don't get it, can you guys read?
    Nobody asked rogues to be OP compare to other classes.
    that "rogue legends" thing was in a time that rogue was way better than other classes.

    now instead of calling for balance between all classes, you wanna keep the rogues behind.
    the hypocrisy of you people is unreal.
    I guess that you are one of the people that asked warrior/mages to get a buff before (which is fine since rogues truely was OP back then) but when its the other way around you say nah, keep them out of EVG / new maps, their class used to be OP so they don't deserve to be good.
    what a hypocrite
    I actually have all 3 classes lvl 76 and i still play rog mostly they are already op giving them more isnt balanced and we players wont understand more then the devs themself leave it like this, i bet also in expansion players will be complaining again it doesnt end and we wont understand better then the creators themself

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    Imo,
    Rogue was the specialist class for the old arcane legend, before 'proc' gear is released.
    Rogue was the best damage dealer, and it makes sense, because its hp and armor are pretty low.
    Rogue was the best damage dealer,
    Mage was the best aoe damage dealer,
    And warrior was the best tank.

    Everything changed after Ultimate and Proc gear released.

    Now, mage and warrior are the best damage dealer, for both bosses and mobs.
    And rogue not even better with warrior and mage.
    The class is not make sense and not even original anymore


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    Classes are balanced. Some are strong in few maps, some in others

    Don t worry, everything will change in new expansion with new items and procs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergia View Post
    Hey, I wanted to bring something up, since we are getting closer to level 81 cap.
    Since AL was started, one class was always considered weak.
    I think that each class should be balanced.
    for example, in the valley expansion, mages damage combined with all their procs are dealing way more damage than rog's damage (in a single target damage)

    Warriors are just dominating in mobs, as a guy who play all classes, I think we can all agree that rogues were left behind in the past year or two.

    Why?
    I believe there are 2 main reasons:


    1) Skratch gun is insane, compare to rogue duggar bow which does realy low damage.
    both rogues/mage are DPS characters, they shouldnt have the same procs I agree but they have very similar procs but with huge damage difference (gun/bow)

    2) Rogues got kinda weak ultimates, compare to warrior ultimate or mage ultimate, which I like to call a "game changing" ultimate. did you see the amount of time it takes to clear a hard wave of EVG with mage/war ultimate compare to without? (well, this big bow ult is ok, not OP as 6x STR/65% haste for all the team)

    I think that STS should do anything they can to make balance between the 3 classes.

    The most played map during the last 2 years, is as you probably guessed before is EVG.
    So when 1 class out of the 3 is having a real hardtime to find a party for this map, you can tell that something is wrong.
    its either the 2 other classes are OP compare to it, or the class is just not good.

    we have 2 DPS characters in this game- Rogues and Mages.
    I think that each of them should be equaly good with the upcoming expansion.


    So in conclusion,
    I wanted to bring this up and maby a developer will see it.
    I believe that EVG and the new upcoming maps will be played alot, and I don't wanna see any class left behind, not being able to find a party



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    Since some people think I made this thread only because I play rogue I want to add my answer that I gave to the guy who said he can't hear the "crying":

    No body is crying, I am saying that as of today 1 class is having hardtime to find a party, and in previous years I did complain that mage/wars needs to get a buff. I am playing all of the 3 classes, its not me crying that my main class is bad, its me, trying to make sure that from now on we will have as much as equaly balanced characters, where each of the different 3 classes can fill his role in any possible map under no circumstances.

    P.S Sorry if my english was not good enough, I tried my best
    Rogues left behind for only a year or two? Oh boohoo cry me a river jesus how long was wars avoided in pve maps? Alot longer than 1 year lol...ppl call mages support class for years now rogue isnt superior anymore? U say u play 3 classes but ur a rogue at heart now stop asking for rogue buff...let the mages and wars shine for some years u just got mad cus rogues arent super op anymore....wdf is this...after one year of not being the op class u want another 5 years of rogue legends? Sad

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    If there's anything to be blamed as to why we rogues are always left behind in EVG, it's the map design. Apparently, this map only caters classes with skills that offer survivability which is basically non-existent if you're a rogue. Our ultimates are way too inferior than that of mages and warriors aswell, which could be the reason why we are less preferred.

    +1 to buff rogue ultimates
    +1 to buff duggar bow

    -1 to incredibly biased map designs like EVG. I hope this thing is taken into consideration in upcoming expansion.

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    Most rogue main say yes to buff (understandable)
    Other ppl disagree as they aren't emotionally attached
    and speak without bias (also understandable)

    Thats as useful this type of buffing nerfing threads gona get

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irg View Post
    People always greedly ask for more for the class they play the most.
    Mage and warrior only picked up the pase after m6 released,
    those people say rogue is weak in any sense is absurd
    Rogues dominates event lb, speedrun lb, pvp eversince they were introduced
    You cant expect a class dominates everything in existence, just like how they
    were before, 90% of all players go rogue, is that what you want?

    Rogues holds a solid place in this game and forever will, they are fine as it is
    The OP didn't even ask for total rogue domination. Lol. What we need is balance...where all three classes are actually put to use and are equally efficient, is it really that hard to understand?

    To those who claim that they play all 3 classes blah blah blah, then you SHOULD be able to see how rogue weapons and ultimates are inferior compared to that of mages and warriors, anyone who says otherwise is just full of bs.

    Depriving us the ability to survive and be efficient just because we have been dominating maps for years is such a petty reason and is simply unjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldous View Post
    If there's anything to be blamed as to why we rogues are always left behind in EVG, it's the map design. Apparently, this map only caters classes with skills that offer survivability which is basically non-existent if you're a rogue. Our ultimates are way too inferior than that of mages and warriors aswell, which could be the reason why we are less preferred.

    +1 to buff rogue ultimates
    +1 to buff duggar bow

    -1 to incredibly biased map designs like EVG. I hope this thing is taken into consideration in upcoming expansion.
    +1 to instant kill bosses for ultimate

    +1 to 10000%crit chance for bow

    This is how you balance a rogue that does more damage then any class with insane dodge and crit

    Actually if you remove the ability to proc stack from war and mages they would be useless again




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mehdikillerd View Post
    +1 to instant kill bosses for ultimate

    +1 to 10000%crit chance for bow

    This is how you balance a rogue that does more damage then any class with insane dodge and crit

    Actually if you remove the ability to proc stack from war and mages they would be useless again




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    Why do you keep on pushing that crit and dodge thing? smh, if you really play a rogue then you should know that crit and dodge offers very little to no help at all in maps like EVG. Get a better argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldous View Post
    Why do you keep on pushing that crit and dodge thing? smh, if you really play a rogue then you should know that crit and dodge offers very little to no help at all in maps like EVG. Get a better argument.
    Im telling you there is nothing to buff for rogue really the map design is what makes rogue left behind because enemies are together all the time, its like any new meta of any game that doesnt mean rogues arent strong it means rogues arent great with the new map so why buff a class that its not suppose to get buffed,also i guarentee you if you buff somehow the bow to become way stronger or giving that ulti more power you would be seeing 4 rogues clearing deep marsh everyday including the boss dmg awakening,which sounds balanced for some people yeah sure
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    Do you guys read the next expansion boss .
    I think rouges ultimate will be the only option to kill that boss .
    Cause boss will block potions when he will be at 10% hp
    And only rouge ulti can take him down at that time.
    Cause without auto pots even tanks cant take so much damage .
    I can see 1tank 1 mage 2 rouges in next expansion for that boss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KarTik1 View Post
    Do you guys read the next expansion boss .
    I think rouges ultimate will be the only option to kill that boss .
    Cause boss will block potions when he will be at 10% hp
    And only rouge ulti can take him down at that time.
    Cause without auto pots even tanks cant take so much damage .
    I can see 1tank 1 mage 2 rouges in next expansion for that boss.


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    well said my g . now people can stop arguing about its buff or nerf. some people will get what they want and others have to wait till next 2 years maybe XD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naaabmage View Post
    Rogues left behind for only a year or two? Oh boohoo cry me a river jesus how long was wars avoided in pve maps? Alot longer than 1 year lol...ppl call mages support class for years now rogue isnt superior anymore? U say u play 3 classes but ur a rogue at heart now stop asking for rogue buff...let the mages and wars shine for some years u just got mad cus rogues arent super op anymore....wdf is this...after one year of not being the op class u want another 5 years of rogue legends? Sad
    Do you know how to read?
    You have no idea what you are saying and that's hilarious.
    first, don't tell people what to ask and what not to ask. people will bring up their thoughts into this forum, this is why it was created, among other things. if you can't accept other people opinions, go drink some cold water to calm your anger kid.
    As I said before, when rogue was broken I asked on the forum more than once for balance that the warrior and the mages deserved.
    now I will do it again for rogue.
    I never said rogue is trash, rogue is just underperforming in the most played map in the game.
    this is the truth if you can't accept it, go play minecraft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergia View Post
    Do you know how to read?
    You have no idea what you are saying and that's hilarious.
    first, don't tell people what to ask and what not to ask. people will bring up their thoughts into this forum, this is why it was created, among other things. if you can't accept other people opinions, go drink some cold water to calm your anger kid.
    As I said before, when rogue was broken I asked on the forum more than once for balance that the warrior and the mages deserved.
    now I will do it again for rogue.
    I never said rogue is trash, rogue is just underperforming in the most played map in the game.
    this is the truth if you can't accept it, go play minecraft
    Bro i want to add something
    Rouges are still decent in pve just people ignore them i dont know why.
    I love having 1 rouge 2 mages in pt cause it clean up spiders fast .
    Rouges aim shot rains with mages ulti is better then mage skills cause of rouges crit .
    And when you saying that warriors are too op and all but how many tank party out there running with 4 tanks in any map. Even when we are at top rn.
    Cause we cant .
    I think you are a old player too and if you remember most of the maps and lbs were obtained by rouges till expansion 76 and rouges used to run in 4 rouges party back then cause they had enough armor and damage .
    And dm and evg have miner diff in gold drop when it comes to gold/hour.
    And i think there 4 rouges are still best party to farm much faster then any other class.
    And yes for future i think they should balance every class .
    Rouges dosent lack in damage department i think what need buff is razor shield.
    Tank has jugg
    Mages have shield
    And rougs have razor which is not that good when compare to other class defense skill.


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    You dont get it? This thread does not allow opposing comments
    You are not welcomed here, only rogue player that want a buff without questions asked,
    and they sure as heck will not reason with u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irg View Post
    You dont get it? This thread does not allow opposing comments
    You are not welcomed here, only rogue player that want a buff without questions asked,
    and they sure as heck will not reason with u
    All kinds of constructive criticisms are very much welcomed in this discussion.. it's just that the opposing side has yet to give a solid and convincing reason as to why the stuffs mentioned above should not be considered. All I see are salty mages and warriors with personal grudges because rogues have dominated in the past.. like this comment for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldous View Post
    All kinds of constructive criticisms are very much welcomed in this discussion.. it's just that the opposing side has yet to give a solid and convincing reason as to why the stuffs mentioned above should not be considered. All I see are salty mages and warriors with personal grudges because rogues have dominated in the past.. like this comment for example.
    Lets bring out the stats
    The chance u go in pvp and see rogue: 90%
    The chance rogue has highest point in any event: 100%
    The chance for a full rogue party for speedrun: 90%
    The chance for rogue to be in MY evg party: 90%

    The chance u go in pvp and see mage: 1%
    The chance mage has highest point in any event: 0%
    The chance for a full mage party for speedrun: 0%
    The chance for mage to be in MY evg party: 100% because im mage lmao

    Rogues are freaking overpowered lol, if u consider rogue with the same
    mindset as OP considered mage and other class

    Just some fun fact:
    The person who liked OP's post and coincidentally being a rogue: 85%
    The comments who OP liked is: 100% supporting comments



    Yes, indeed, its just the way OP manipulated this thread that i dont like, the way
    That he ONLY encourages supportive talk and try to personally attack everyone that
    oppose Is very unsettling imo
    Trying to make his personal will seems like public will is a terrible way to gain attention
    My comments went from neutral to very opposing the more i check this thread

    I will no longer participate in this thread, as i found it useless to say more, if you
    read through my previous comments you will know exactly why, and sorry for the aggression
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