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    Question About the changes...

    I know the team didn't slap their head and came out with the idea
    of removing proc stacking, and yes indeed players sometimes have their
    own bias when they talk about nerfing and buffing. And sometimes
    its right to ignore those voice and do something that
    will benefit the game regardless of what players think

    But when literally half of the community dislike the change and even
    threatening to quit... It probably is a sign of it being a terrible idea

    Just saying...
    I don't want to see this game dead after i just got back to it

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    I'm sorry but changing the meta away from using 5-6 weapons at once is not a "terrible idea"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawpvp View Post
    I'm sorry but changing the meta away from using 5-6 weapons at once is not a "terrible idea"
    Oh it totally will be if over 50% of players prefer it that way

    Tbh me too, spamming skill and nothing else is boring,
    having to switch hotbar requires actual skill to do well

    Also i am deeply sorry for rogues in general, just using dug dagger and still do this well?
    you are missing out on the fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irg View Post
    Oh it totally will be if over 50% of players prefer it that way

    Tbh me too, spamming skill and nothing else is boring,
    having to switch hotbar requires actual skill to do well
    u got any data to support that anywhere near 50% of people care about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irg View Post
    Oh it will totally be if over 50% of players prefer it that way
    Absolutely a logical fallacy. Having a good amount of people against it doesn't make it a terrible idea. It just means there are people who don't like it and they are people who are okay with it. Unless 90% of people are against it (which i suppose is the case if gold loot was completely eliminated).

    Anyway, stop creating multiple threads on this topic. Otherwise wait for a few more comments before cinco comes in and delete them all here in discussion. He mentioned to keep all discussions in one thread - ie the expansion announcements thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawpvp View Post
    u got any data to support that anywhere near 50% of people care about it?
    Just go count the number of yes and no on the original thread
    No comments

    Ps its actually close to 70%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irg View Post
    Just go count the number if yes and no on the original thread
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    Forums are inherently biased and not a good representation of the overall player base. No comments.

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    So because u cant spamm hotbar and have every buff possible at once, and now have to choose your procs, that is something you cant deal with?

    Why would u sell your arcane items and all that, they are still very much needed. We just got rid of Glint and other random low mythics/arcs impacting content too much and way out of the level they were made for. Ill still be using 85% of my items. 15% loss is worth the balance that this should open up for upcoming items ect.

    People are being super narrow minded and very dramatic.

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    Either way, i do not wish to talk about why people agree and disagree with it
    Because both side can go on and on about their reasoning and i respect that

    But lots of people are actually selling gear and quitting, can any of you say that this is good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawpvp View Post
    Forums are inherently biased and not a good representation of the overall player base. No comments.
    Well i guess ill express my opinion. Almost all endgame wars would oppose the nerf. Since it would make them nearly USELESS. As for mages,the main reason mages melt boss is the skratch gun proc combined with staff proc. Since that is also removed, "insert khaby lame meme". The only class that would support this are rogs, which makes up less than 40% of total players atm. So u round up the numbers and decide if sts' decision is bad or not.

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    Devs were a bit at fault from the start tbh. If you have a nice set of skill choices, you won't need to depend on 5 different weapon procs.

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    Guys give their ideas a try in expansion. Maybe we'll get other options than just combo procs of 5 expensive weps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worshipped View Post
    Well i guess ill express my opinion. Almost all endgame wars would oppose the nerf. Since it would make them nearly USELESS. As for mages,the main reason mages melt boss is the skratch gun proc combined with staff proc. Since that is also removed, "insert khaby lame meme". The only class that would support this are rogs, which makes up less than 40% of total players atm. So u round up the numbers and decide if sts' decision is bad or not.

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    Rogues are not as op as you described it to be. They just didn't get affected as much as wars by the update. Find me a rogue that can solo 81 map without warrior and mages.

    Even without the combo stacking, warrior is the most important role in any challenging map. We still have jugg and heal to ensure party survive. We just don't have op damage anymore to help clear the mobs - which I think is perfectly reasonable - tank is suppose to tank - let the rogues and mages do the damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analytical View Post
    Rogues are not as op as you described it to be. They just didn't get affected as much as wars by the update. Find me a rogue that can solo 81 map without warrior and mages.

    Even without the combo stacking, warrior is the most important role in any challenging map. We still have jugg and heal to ensure party survive. We just don't have op damage anymore to help clear the mobs - which I think is perfectly reasonable - tank is suppose to tank - let the rogues and mages do the damage.
    Most rogue in evg use only dug dagger and they do just fine
    Imagine a mage with only staff
    And a war with only sword
    Im quite sure they will not get invited at all

    But this is not about how it made class unfair
    Its about how it broke the economy, changed the playstyle of this game
    Entirely and made so many players hard earned gold gone in vein
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    This is a controversal opinion, but i think the changes are fine. This is a mmorpg after all, in what other mmorpg did you see people using 5 different sets to become a god... After all, before proc stacking was added, no one was even thinking about it and still everyone played the game with each class. Also we should not jump to conclusions, maybe New 81 procs Will be so good no one would even want to use other stuff.

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    You know, we used to clear an elite map like 15 mins or so, remember nord campaign? How all people desperately needed warrior. Remember the day when a player showing us how to do an elite run solo using some parking strategy?
    We have proc, we have awaken, we have housing system buff, we have pet slot, Basically it is easier than the old time and at least with gold loot u wont get out from the map empty handed.

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    Agreed with codered, people forgot how it was like all thanks to the introduction of stacking weapon combos since the vardan Valley expansion. I would try to keep my argument short as I donno when cinco will delete this thread.

    To answer the op questions:
    1. Yes I can imagine a mage a rogue a war without the ability to switch between weapons = It means slower and longer party.
    2. Break the economy? Only thing I see is people panic sell that may explain the "broken economy" you claimed about because they don't know how their weapons can be used in the expansion map.
    3. Changed the playstyle? More like back to how it was supposed to be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analytical;3662601.

    1. Yes I can imagine a mage a rogue a war without the ability to switch between weapons = It means slower and longer party.
    2. Break the economy? Only thing I see is people panic sell that may explain the "broken economy" you claimed about because they don't know how their weapons can be used in the expansion map.
    3. Changed the playstyle? More like back to how it was supposed to be like.
    1. If you taking about the most recent map, no, no one invites you

    2. This is not stock market, people can easily tell if their gear becomes worthless

    3. Who said the old playstyle is what this game supposed to be? Not me, not over
    half of the people whos having a depression

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irg View Post
    Oh it totally will be if over 50% of players prefer it that way

    Tbh me too, spamming skill and nothing else is boring,
    having to switch hotbar requires actual skill to do well

    Also i am deeply sorry for rogues in general, just using dug dagger and still do this well?
    you are missing out on the fun
    Stop ur toxicity this decision is good

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    Let's avoid fight eachother I would say, he isnt beeing toxic, it s ok have different opinions..

    About the topic well I still think they shouldnt do this change, it will bring much more unfairness between leaderbords and parties

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