Give wars an auto pull chance

[Stephencobear]

In pl wars have a pull skill with auto taunt

It allowed that the war class was never irrelevant in pve, a good war knew where to park n why & how much armor/health was needed in any map

I’m saying here, in al wars should have an auto pull to give them the ability to spec the skills that taunt and they will have a more general “tank ” class role as opposed to now

Old weapons (tb) could still add to their chance to pull on top of that if anyone wants to use both

What other ways can we envision a path to help war class with regards to “tanking” & the proc nerf?

A health buff?

[Analytical]

Go to Mastery skill = 10/10 pull gives 100% taunt chance.

Not sure if this is what you are looking for or you mean passively when war is in the map they auto taunt enemies when they move around as opposed to mages/rogues.

[Stephencobear]

Go to Mastery skill = 10/10 pull gives 100% taunt chance.

Not sure if this is what you are looking for or you mean passively when war is in the map they auto taunt enemies when they move around as opposed to mages/rogues.

Yes, I’m saying the very idea of a “tank” class in al lacks definition in opposition to the other classes

In some sts games the one who does the most damage gain aggro, it seems the same here but I admit I could be wrong for many reasons

I’m going beyond the idea of auto taunt, I’m saying they could have an auto pull chance that gives them a more “tank” role

If you get what I mean

How do we make the “tank” class so- with regards to the other classes abilities?

Talkin pve here folks

[MasterSan]

There is something called terrorblade.
Close thread.

[Analytical]

There is something called terrorblade.
Close thread.

Ahhaah maybe make it 100% proc like Doz axe!!!

Yeshhhhhhh + 100000 vote

[Stephencobear]

There is something called terrorblade.
Close thread.

So if one weapon defines what it means to “tank” in al, I’m saying make the weapon irrelevant with regards to the ability to tank

and make the class itself the very definition of what a tank is ( by giving it an auto pull)

Dig?

[MasterSan]

So if one weapon defines what it means to “tank” in al, I’m saying make the weapon irrelevant with regards to the ability to tank

and make the class itself the very definition of what a tank is ( by giving it an auto pull)

There is no such ability to pull mobs together, you can always use pet whim at 100% pull rate. Or terrorblade to pull.
But tank's role don't necessarily include pulling. Only primary role is absorbing damage.

[Stephencobear]

There is no such ability to pull mobs together, you can always use pet whim at 100% pull rate. Or terrorblade to pull.
But tank's role don't necessarily include pulling. Only primary role is absorbing damage.

Imagine the importance of taking damage when your class always pulled, and taunt meant more than the damage wars used to be able to do?

[MasterSan]

Imagine the importance of taking damage when your class always pulled, and taunt meant more than the damage wars used to be able to do?

That's why there is a concept of dodge my friend

[Stephencobear]

That's why there is a concept of dodge my friend

If you have never played pl much I can see how you might not see the value of a tank class dominating the pace of a map in the way I’m suggesting

After all rogues dodge, that doesn’t make them tanks

I was thinking of ways to benefit the idea of a tank class post proc stack nerf

Unless your position is that there is no reason to compensate wars for the loss of proc stacking?

I’m all ears

[MasterSan]

If you have never played pl much I can see how you might not see the value of a tank class dominating the pace of a map in the way I’m suggesting

After all rogues dodge, that doesn’t make them tanks

I was thinking of ways to benefit the idea of a tank class post proc stack nerf

Unless your position is that there is no reason to compensate wars for the loss of proc stacking?

I’m all ears

I have not played PL, so I don't know the mechanics for it.
The update sure was disappointment for warrior class.
Warriors have 3 seconds shield immune to any amount of damage and juggernaut is still a very good skill. Since we're only talking about skills, I said there were already pulling methods introduced through pet ability and weapon. And it's a MMORPG game so it's a role playing game as you know, wars can use tb or whim egg to pull and rest can be handled by other class. You are trying to burden war with everything, dps/tank/heal...like c'mon..let the other class fulfill their responsibility as well. It's not that difficult of a game if all class play their role.

[Stephencobear]

I have not played PL, so I don't know the mechanics for it.
The update sure was disappointment for warrior class.
Warriors have 3 seconds shield immune to any amount of damage and juggernaut is still a very good skill. Since we're only talking about skills, I said there were already pulling methods introduced through pet ability and weapon. And it's a MMORPG game so it's a role playing game as you know, wars can use tb or whim egg to pull and rest can be handled by other class. You are trying to burden war with everything, dps/ TANK /heal...like c'mon..let the other class fulfill their responsibility as well. It's not that difficult of a game if all class play their role.

Ok, so if I’m not mistaken you do not see the loss of proc stacks a blow to tanking, or
do not see any reason to reinforce what the war class is at all?

Taunt/pull are not dps or heal, but the other one you said, “TANK”

Yes I am trying to “burden” the war with tanking lol

[MasterSan]

Ok, so if I’m not mistaken you do not see the loss of proc stacks a blow to tanking, or
do not see any reason to reinforce what the war class is at all?

Yes I am trying to “burden” the war with tanking lol

Also taunt/pull are not dps or heal, but the other one you said, “TANK”

I never said there was no loss for tanks. We lost so much gold investing in equipments which were necessary for carrying team. Even I will blame sts for getting tanks under such huge loss.
I am only not agreeing with your concept of 'pulling' the mobs as it seems unnecessary. It's a death wish for players who are not geared properly.

[Analytical]

I kinda agree with Stephen here in terms of the pulling aspect, but maybe as an option to toggle in war active or passive skill.

So for badly geared war they don't have to have it in their build if they know they will die more often/unnecessarily.

[Stephencobear]

I never said there was no loss for tanks. We lost so much gold investing in equipments which were necessary for carrying team. Even I will blame sts for getting tanks under such huge loss.
I am only not agreeing with your concept of 'pulling' the mobs as it seems unnecessary. It's a death wish for players who are not geared properly.

But a good war has taunt upgrades to tank and thus pulls mobs to a lesser degree, is that not death for the under geared?

If as you say the loss of proc stacking was “such a huge loss” then are wars are in no need of any buff with regards to being a tank role as a class?

Honest question, not arguing. I’m a mage

[Stephencobear]

I kinda agree with Stephen here in terms of the pulling aspect, but maybe as an option to toggle in war active or passive skill.

So for badly geared war they don't have to have it in their build if they know they will die more often/unnecessarily.

Good point, and agreed.
(Out of thx today)

[MasterSan]

But a good war has taunt upgrades to tank and thus pulls mobs to a lesser degree, is that not death for the under geared?

If as you say the loss of proc stacking was “such a huge loss” then are wars are in no need of any buff with regards to being a tank role as a class?

Honest question, not arguing. I’m a mage

I only told you there are different methods for pulling the mobs and crowd control, heal is both for keeping party alive as well as taunting.
Never saw or think devs will even consider this and buff the tanks with such role, or this can be done if new class was introduced for crowd control.
I'm not saying your idea is bad or against it. But it completely changes war mechanics.

[Analytical]

Stephen, Terror Blade is really good as an alternative to your suggestion that may require quite some rework to the existing skill build.

If TB is 100% proc then it really becomes the top option for war depending if they want to pull mobs or not.

[Stephencobear]

I only told you there are different methods for pulling the mobs and crowd control, heal is both for keeping party alive as well as taunting.
Never saw or think devs will even consider this and buff the tanks with such role, or this can be done if new class was introduced for crowd control.
I'm not saying your idea is bad or against it. But it completely changes war mechanics.

Your right in that it’s prolly a bit much of a change

Stephen, Terror Blade is really good as an alternative to your suggestion that may require quite some rework to the existing skill build.

If TB is 100% proc then it really becomes the top option for war depending if they want to pull mobs or not.

Last thing I’d want it to make one single weapon a must

In pl the tank was almost never left out of a map (any season) because other classes didn’t need them, but here evg was nearly the only map we needed a tank

My idea was just looking for ways to make tanking more valued in al being that most classes seem to be chasing the damage role regardless of class

Good input, ty both