2022-03-17 Content Update (290347)

[holdmytalons]

Whamm is the ONLY thing stopping pvp from being a nuke fest. Do you really want pvp to become a 1-3 skill shotting warzone? Whamm has to be nerfed SIMULTANEOUSLY with L10 valentine rings and ammies. Have them nerfed together or don't touch either of them.

Whamm with L10 ring and ammy actually feels ok to use. However it becomes an issue at 40 where mage is too tanky. 35 as well to some extent. My only issue with the whamm armour is that it benefits some classes a lot more than others. Birds can't compete.

DISCLAIMER: There should be a good amount of agreement from other players before these changes get implemented (if they do)!

My solutions:
1) Nerf whamm further so that it matches the stats of a 25 armour, maybe give it less armour than it's L25 counterpart but whamm has the niche of giving hp (unlike any other armours).
2) Increase level requirement of whamm and L10 valentine rings and amulets to level 76. Me and a few friends have tested it there and felt that those equipment were more natural in that particular zone. STS has increased level requirement for 3pc. Maybe something similar could be done here. Easiest fix imo.

3) Set the stats of the 25 elites to zero ONLY in forest fight and rockwell forts. I appreciate this may be longwinded to implement which is way I think option 2 is the best.



Also as of now, the 25 elite weapons feel mostly fine. However, the 25 blaster should have a small dmg nerf still. MageFFA / Quality has a good idea for this. The armour values that the 25 elite weapons should greatly be reduced imo considering they are 2h weapons!

Again changing the lvl requirement to wear these is also a suitable fix. I'd like to propose this more so for the 25 elite 2h sword and the 25 elite 2h staff. Blaster is a good weapon for birds and should stay where it's at.

Just nerf all low lvl elites (except for the og 71 76 elites) to 0 and yes that also means valentine

[Cinco]

Just nerf all low lvl elites (except for the og 71 76 elites) to 0 and yes that also means valentine

If the 25's and Valentine's go to zero, the 71's, 76's also get nerfed to zero... in the interest of fairness :-)

[Vapourised]

If the 25's and Valentine's go to zero, the 71's, 76's also get nerfed to zero... in the interest of fairness :-)

Hi cinco, the reason why people don't have an issue with 71 elites or 76 elites is because they don't provide any advantage over the normal campaign weapons.

In an ideal world, the L25 elites and valentines would be tweaked so that they are similar to normal campaign items . Nerfing their stats to zero in our no enchant maps would be easier for ur team to code.

Ofc if ur commited to tweaking the aforementioned items, then be my guest. We just want to make life easier and quicker for the dev team. There's some valuable suggestions on PL central at the moment. I think raising their lvl requirement is the best way.

[Cinco]

Hi cinco, the reason why people don't have an issue with 71 elites or 76 elites is because they don't provide any advantage over the normal campaign weapons.

In an ideal world, the L25 elites and valentines would be tweaked so that they are similar to normal campaign items . Nerfing their stats to zero in our no enchant maps would be easier for ur team to code.

Ofc if ur commited to tweaking the aforementioned items, then be my guest. We just want to make life easier and quicker for the dev team. There's some valuable suggestions on PL central at the moment. I think raising their lvl requirement is the best way.

Ah! To be very clear: Nerfing any of these gears, beloved and controversial alike, to literal zero is just not fair. So it’s not on the table.

Thanks for all the detailed feedback! I look forward to future updates :-)


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[Vapourised]

Ah! To be very clear: Nerfing any of these gears, beloved and controversial alike, to literal zero is just not fair. So it’s not on the table.

Thanks for all the detailed feedback! I look forward to future updates :-)


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No worries Cinco.

In that case, what about the other suggestions?

I'll post them again as a reminder:

1) Raising the lvl requirement to equip the L25 elite armours maybe to 76 or 71 while keeping their stats (so no nerf needed). Also for the valentine L10 ring and ammy (no nerf, same stats just you need to be higher lvl to equip)

2) Another 50% cut to the stats of the 25 elite armours accompanied by some sort of nerf to L10 valentine rings (so not nerfing them to zero but just reducing stats so other gears can compete)

3) A slight further nerf to the L25 elite blaster's dmg. By -20 would be good for now.

Let me know if this is something that could be considered.

[holdmytalons]

No worries Cinco.

In that case, what about the other suggestions?

I'll post them again as a reminder:

1) Raising the lvl requirement to equip the L25 elite armours maybe to 76 or 71 while keeping their stats (so no nerf needed). Also for the valentine L10 ring and ammy (no nerf, same stats just you need to be higher lvl to equip)

2) Another 50% cut to the stats of the 25 elite armours accompanied by some sort of nerf to L10 valentine rings (so not nerfing them to zero but just reducing stats so other gears can compete)

Let me know if this is something that could be considered.

L10 ring ammy should be weaker than l25

[cryboi]

Ah! To be very clear: Nerfing any of these gears, beloved and controversial alike, to literal zero is just not fair. So it’s not on the table.

Thanks for all the detailed feedback! I look forward to future updates :-)


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Give us a NPC that can convert "My" items into tradeable version for platinum.
Thanks!

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[Curvatwo]

Ah! To be very clear: Nerfing any of these gears, beloved and controversial alike, to literal zero is just not fair. So it’s not on the table.

Thanks for all the detailed feedback! I look forward to future updates :-)


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Cinco, I was wondering, couldn't you just make elite lv 25 and others replicate identical stats to the normal campaign equivalent. To be clear, I mean only in PvP zones. For example, make bow of phoenix share identical stats to swift master bow but in PvE it retains better stats. Also for lvl 25 in PVP zones you can make dex weapons identical to similar items from the game. I think this would be a good balance because you can have cool looking weapons in PVP that don't break the game and also have them shred in PvE.

[Curvatwo]

Cinco, I was wondering, couldn't you just make elite lv 25 and others replicate identical stats to the normal campaign equivalent. To be clear, I mean only in PvP zones. For example, make bow of phoenix share identical stats to swift master bow but in PvE it retains better stats. Also for lvl 25 in PVP zones you can make dex weapons identical to similar items from the game. I think this would be a good balance because you can have cool looking weapons in PVP that don't break the game and also have them shred in PvE.

You can make all lvl 25 elites copy exactly from their l25 plat pack (dex/dex2h/str/str2h/ etc) equivalent to bring consistency to twink pvp @cinco

[Curvatwo]

In my honest assessment, If an item is being used and is viable in PVP 10+ levels above it's requirement (in this case l25 and l10 rings items being viable in lvl 35-45)

it is considered overpowered

[Vapourised]

Just nerf all low lvl elites (except for the og 71 76 elites) to 0 and yes that also means valentine

You'll find that the pink L10 rings and amulets valentine also give relatively op stats.

[holdmytalons]

You'll find that the pink L10 rings and amulets valentine also give relatively op stats.

That why i said valentine at this point no enchant maps were pointless since the items that shouldnt have even been added to pl arent getting nerfed