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  Click here to go to the first Dev post in this thread.   Thread: @Cinco @Asommers Why Rogue is Inferior to War / Mage. (PVE ONLY)

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    Idk whats this debate for you dont farm solo you work as a team and as far as im seeing the rogues are not discriminated every team needs a rog.

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    If a warior complain about rogue op power = rogue user is silent,
    If rogue complain about war op power + buffs rogue = hundred of forum war user including their doble triple forum account get ready each one account will bully you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakeeyes View Post
    If a warior complain about rogue op power = rogue user is silent,
    If rogue complain about war op power + buffs rogue = hundred of forum war user including their doble triple forum account get ready each one account will bully you.
    I can give you endless proof to prove that this statement is backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakeeyes View Post
    +1 this is the problem of marianos bow user if theres mobs spawn at the boss proc is useless. @asommers.
    +1 same with hyper gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encryptions View Post
    Only warriors with 1.8k str can melt bosses if lucky and know what they are doing which warriors can't clean mobs, mages with 1.8k int won't nuke bosses but they can clean mobs.
    Don't use mari bow if there are mobs around, use nox bolt and try to combo pisces with sunken then swap to your bounty hunter bow or swap to a dmg loadout with pisces. Use a defense loadout with pisces and sunken vest in order to survive while trying to proc.
    Problem every one is trying to get through to the devs is rogs don't have something to make them invulnerable for 2 seconds.
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    dude in elite maps I can only kill mobs(with pisces) and before I can even hit boss , he is dead 🥲(Before I can even try to proc sunk+pisces+ult rip boss)

    Also we don't clears all mobs in elite map(say elite sunken), If a stray mob locks me, no use for marianos

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    Also how many weapons you want me to swap before I can use marianos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encryptions View Post
    Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow, those mages proced aquaris with ebon vest and swapped to their high dmg smuggler gun loadout. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
    https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg
    You are either a liar or just delusional.
    Show me a video of 3 rogues do that in a similar period of time with no ult, I dare you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encryptions View Post
    I can give you endless proof to prove that this statement is backwards.
    https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...ighlight=Glint

    This is rogues thread complaining to 1 greedy abuser warior who waste the energy of other player and the name placed there, thats why dev put a starting circle and gates to boss every event, but if theres a rogue complaining all wariors have one bully answer " another cry rogue" XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfizer View Post
    Idk whats this debate for you dont farm solo you work as a team and as far as im seeing the rogues are not discriminated every team needs a rog.
    Idk how often you farm but for fast gold loot farms people would much rather prefer mages. But for those party that included rogues it’s because they’re really close friends with the rogue, could not find another mage, or the map had class restrictions. Majority of the time, having a rogue is a disadvantage and slows the party.


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    Had to go on a alt to be racist and tt instead of his main account, there goes the thread gonna get locked because of people like him that can't have a civil debate/conversation

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    Rogue need to calm down bro if we want dev to understand what we need for a change, please make our skill and ultimate skill usefull to survive every run on elites, if dev want rogue to clear mobs only we need a skill to survive without the proc of pisces like warior as a tank then we rogue give the job to warior to kill 1-2 hits the boss, we are the rogue of new era tanker rogue, XD

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    Man I can't, this is too funny. I am out of here. I keep forgetting I am playing a kids game where people have yet to grow up and develop a mind set in which can be used discuss back and forth on said subject maturely and formally. My point- again, was proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergia View Post
    You are either a liar or just delusional.
    Show me a video of 3 rogues do that in a similar period of time with no ult, I dare you.
    Hahahah that guy is a joke...he want us rogue always depends on proc which can be hard to proc both sunk and pisces at the same time to deal high dmg to the boss while other class can use their ultimate without worry about hoping the proc to came out.

    Without proc, the aimed shot ultimate couldnt do much dmg or can i say not event 10% of health at sunk elite boss!!! So what the use of the ultimate if like that? if the aimed ult can do 40-50% that would be better doesnt need to be one shot like war can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encryptions View Post
    Man I can't, this is too funny. I am out of here. I keep forgetting I am playing a kids game where people have yet to grow up and develop a mind set in which can be used discuss back and forth on said subject maturely and formally. My point- again, was proven.
    Bro don't leave here we still need you for the balance of this conversations, just ignore the bully message we know your a good man but in this case we rogue need a change to run on elites like gauntlet.

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    Please keep toxicity out of here.
    Doesnt matter what your opinion is, respect each other.

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    The thread is going off-topic. Can anyone wrap this up by stating what needs to changed in a concise manner @Synergia . If we go further, it will be very confusing.

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    I'm not a serious player, most people know that. I play for enjoyment and not for stress but I do agree that rogue is struggling.
    It's ok for certain people to say, use pisces, mari and bounty and switch between procs but not everyone can afford to get one good weapon never mind three.
    You who can afford all the op weapons and gear forget that the few people who levelled up recently don't have the amount of gold that old players have.
    So what do they do in Zodias?
    Put a youtube video on explaining how to be a successful rogue using cheap gear, now that would be useful.
    Don't bring up the past, that's just childish and yes, kids do play AL and so they should so don't discriminate against them for being young and most likely some will be cheeky but a lot are quite sensible.
    I don't know why STS seem to be down on rogue class, after all rogues usually have to pay out the most.
    Maybe they don't play rogue, maybe they play warrior but whatever, it's plain to see that rogues are being left out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encryptions View Post
    Only warriors with 1.8k str can melt bosses if lucky and know what they are doing which warriors can't clean mobs, mages with 1.8k int won't nuke bosses but they can clean mobs.
    Don't use mari bow if there are mobs around, use nox bolt and try to combo pisces with sunken then swap to your bounty hunter bow or swap to a dmg loadout with pisces. Use a defense loadout with pisces and sunken vest in order to survive while trying to proc.
    Problem every one is trying to get through to the devs is rogs don't have something to make them invulnerable for 2 seconds.
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    Do you know how much gold we need to achieve the damage you just said?

    Warriors just needs to buy a Polaris, done. Time to nuke bosses with ult.
    Mages.. do I even have to say? Hyperos is dirt cheap Aquaris as well, and they can consistently deal 100k+ damage.

    Once we reach end game do you expect us to have 400m+ gold to be able to afford 2.6k+ dex?
    Come on man, I know you've helped the community many times but can't you admit that you're wrong this time?

    Okay, let's get to the scenario where you have 1 warrior 2 mages in your team (you are rogue) do you think you have enough time to proc your psices+sunken+bountybow combo? Sure with 1 pisces proc on mini bosses is enough that is if you are lucky, mages on the other hand once they enter the mini boss room they already proc'd their armor and weapon and zaps 1 hit minis even you time after time will get tired you'll realize you are not needed in the team lol and warriors with their neptaris and polaris and ult on bosses which rarely fails and it's your time to shi.. oh wait look at those mages even without hoards of mobs they can proc armor and weapon both at the same time. Is it too hard to understand that us rogues are by far the worst class this expansion?

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    buff mage shield, ty

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    Its like a STRIKER in football trying to play as DEFENDER,sure they can block the ball as defender did all the time
    But that STRIKER know nothing more to play as a DEFENDER who played in that position since they learn football
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