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    I have a question for the mage/rogue that r crying in what does 6x ult affects you? It help us lol you guys just hate war for no reason. Can't you think about the hardcore wars?

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    I find it hilarious people care that with an ultimate wars can kill bosses. 90% of the time my ultimate isn't even charged for the boss. Never in portals. I am only able to use it if I run solo anyway. So why does it bother people? If I run a map solo it's 4x as long as a rogue or mage. So it's not a timed map issue. It's irrelevant in pvp so it's not direct competition. So even with this op ulti it takes me longer and has no effect on anyone else in a competitive way. What is the downside to the other classes? Would they trade 75% of their damage for an eventual ultimate that allows them to nuke a boss? It makes no sense at all.

    I was running rahab and all I did is kill the mini. Rogues and mages killed the boss. It's hit or miss with procs and pet aa if I can get through a stage but the rogues and mages brought his health to 0 before he reset for the next stage. My ulti never charged so i was useless. Where is the balance in that?

    Honestly I'm so sick of it idc if they nerf the ultimate. It's not like I can keep up anyway. Wars aren't needed to actually tank or keep a party alive and in pvp can't survive the massive damage the other classes do with similar stats. Oh and I don't do enough damage to actually kill anyone.

    So God forbid I can nuke a boss running solo after taking 10 minutes to clear a map....

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    Quote Originally Posted by capeo View Post
    I find it hilarious people care that with an ultimate wars can kill bosses. 90% of the time my ultimate isn't even charged for the boss. Never in portals. I am only able to use it if I run solo anyway. So why does it bother people? If I run a map solo it's 4x as long as a rogue or mage. So it's not a timed map issue. It's irrelevant in pvp so it's not direct competition. So even with this op ulti it takes me longer and has no effect on anyone else in a competitive way. What is the downside to the other classes? Would they trade 75% of their damage for an eventual ultimate that allows them to nuke a boss? It makes no sense at all.

    I was running rahab and all I did is kill the mini. Rogues and mages killed the boss. It's hit or miss with procs and pet aa if I can get through a stage but the rogues and mages brought his health to 0 before he reset for the next stage. My ulti never charged so i was useless. Where is the balance in that?

    Honestly I'm so sick of it idc if they nerf the ultimate. It's not like I can keep up anyway. Wars aren't needed to actually tank or keep a party alive and in pvp can't survive the massive damage the other classes do with similar stats. Oh and I don't do enough damage to actually kill anyone.

    So God forbid I can nuke a boss running solo after taking 10 minutes to clear a map....
    IKR lol. “Its no fair warrior kills boss 1.5 seconds faster than me when they have their ult”

    Meanwhile: warrior taking 90 seconds longer in the map in order to build up that 1.5 second advantage on killing the boss.

    The proof is in the pudding. Warrior gear costs the least by far for a reason. It’s not because there is “more warrior gear” (we would expect based on probability for there to be the same amount items in the game for each class, ie. 1/6 of kraken weapons are swords). It’s the slowest and least efficient class. Rogues and mages clear maps way faster, as proven by leaderboard parties, therefore they make more gold per min/hour. All of this coupled with the lack of need for a tank in an endgame party because of how invincible mages and rogues are with krak procs, and we have a class that definitely needs some buffs to keep up.


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    Imagine you can tank, heal, pull mobs and kill easily, short cd skill because of haste, kill boss without rage because of buffs weapon with 12sec cd big advantage to new map, lets all change to warior class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    Certainly would be interesting if done correctly - however, it's going to be extremely hard to balance such a similar proc between these two Arcanes. For it to be fair we'd need to come up with some sort of high-damage single target function for the Aegis... otherwise we're back to having one War weapon to rule them all :-)

    I'm happier with the Sword and the Aegis having distinct roles for now. Thanks for the suggestion nevertheless!
    @Cinco warior after buffs is just a sven GOD STRENGTH mode maybe the buffs that you put on kraken sword just like a dusk sword that sacrifice - hp and -armor at least 50% so they feel the pain of a rogue when running on a hard map?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakeeyes View Post
    @Cinco warior after buffs is just a sven GOD STRENGTH mode maybe the buffs that you put on kraken sword just like a dusk sword that sacrifice - hp and -armor at least 50% so they feel the pain of a rogue when running on a hard map?
    I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    I don't understand what you're saying. Can you rephrase? Thanks.
    If kraken sword will buffs equivalent to bow and gun they can do all they want without the help of other class, all of warior player want to be just like assasin tank, i remember 1 sword that has a sacrifice the armor and healt (dusk sword) powerful sword but weak on armor because of minus armor when you equip maybe you can make the buffs just like that, sory for the bad english.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakeeyes View Post
    If kraken sword will buffs equivalent to bow and gun they can do all they want without the help of other class, all of warior player want to be just like assasin tank, i remember 1 sword that has a sacrifice the armor and healt (dusk sword) powerful sword but weak on armor because of minus armor when you equip maybe you can make the buffs just like that, sory for the bad english.
    Thank you for rephrasing!

    To be clear: they're not going to be equivalent to the bow and gun.

    I wrote details of what I'm planning a few posts up ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakeeyes View Post
    If kraken sword will buffs equivalent to bow and gun they can do all they want without the help of other class, all of warior player want to be just like assasin tank, i remember 1 sword that has a sacrifice the armor and healt (dusk sword) powerful sword but weak on armor because of minus armor when you equip maybe you can make the buffs just like that, sory for the bad english.
    Imo, in the current endgame state (boss damage/elite damage is the most important factor in your efficiency for running), a warrior with 2.5k str and 60% of damage elixirs with an arc sword should do as much damage to bosses as a 2k dex/int rog/mage with no elixirs. Right now, arc sword even with way 25% more stats and 60% more dmg with elixirs, does like 1/3 of what bow/gun do. If warriors have to buff themselves and get way better awakes to do just 1/3-1/2 of the damage that mages and rogues are doing, the classes are imbalanced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taughtmage View Post
    Imo, in the current endgame state (boss damage/elite damage is the most important factor in your efficiency for running), a warrior with 2.5k str and 60% of damage elixirs with an arc sword should do as much damage to bosses as a 2k dex/int rog/mage with no elixirs. Right now, arc sword even with way 25% more stats and 60% more dmg with elixirs, does like 1/3 of what bow/gun do. If warriors have to buff themselves and get way better awakes to do just 1/3-1/2 of the damage that mages and rogues are doing, the classes are imbalanced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taughtmage View Post
    Imo, in the current endgame state (boss damage/elite damage is the most important factor in your efficiency for running), a warrior with 2.5k str and 60% of damage elixirs with an arc sword should do as much damage to bosses as a 2k dex/int rog/mage with no elixirs. Right now, arc sword even with way 25% more stats and 60% more dmg with elixirs, does like 1/3 of what bow/gun do. If warriors have to buff themselves and get way better awakes to do just 1/3-1/2 of the damage that mages and rogues are doing, the classes are imbalanced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by recilencia123 View Post
    Nah u wrong, test first then comment

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    I test warrior daily unfortunately! You can pt me if u wanna see how much dmg krak sword does with 185% dmg elixirs and 2.2k str . It’s very disappointing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    Thank you for rephrasing!

    To be clear: they're not going to be equivalent to the bow and gun.

    I wrote details of what I'm planning a few posts up ^

    Best wishes!
    Oh i see thanks for clarifying, we agree to buffs for that krak sword. Ik you do all to the class balance just like we achieve now. Thanks.

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    Please value rogue characters now. While there are vigilant effects for warrior and kershal vanity effects for mage, there are no special effects for rogue characters. Also an effect for kraken artif can be nice.

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    This “buff” of the sword should have been done when it first came out, damage buff is needed on the sword forsure and I’m fr curious do devs just not play warrior class at all?( not being toxic or anything just being realistic like do y’all just ignore warrior class?)


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    Am I the only one thinking, just do the upgrade on "Kraken Sword"... instead of taking steps to lower the ability of "Neptaris" ??? Your move obviously made "Warrior" even more useless than before. Aren't you satisfied to see that the "warrior" doesn't get party friends to do farming???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epm2701 View Post
    Am I the only one thinking, just do the upgrade on "Kraken Sword"... instead of taking steps to lower the ability of "Neptaris" ??? Your move obviously made "Warrior" even more useless than before. Aren't you satisfied to see that the "warrior" doesn't get party friends to do farming???

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    Closing to give you a chance to read my verdict on this.

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