Yes. He is not gaining the benefit of the hard work of other players. He is in a locked map so as not to bother anyone and protect the toon. He is not joining pick up games.Originally Posted by Sim Jing
A leach requires a victim, in this case there is none.
Even so, showing off his skillset and proclaim that you have a 0 kill 0 deaths capped player is wrong to begin with. As I must once again emphasise on what I have to say yet again, he is indirectly teaching others how to be a leech in future. He is not making constructive thoughts when he and his guildmate post this thread and he is INDIRECTLY teaching more people how to annoy others in the game.
You're always quick to insult, buddy. This isn't about my ego, this is about you. If you want to, by all means, go ahead and say you won the argument, it doesn't matter to me because what's there to be embarrassed about?
I have quoted and bolded the section where you made it more of a personal issue & used it as an attack towards Jj.
In regards to the leech thing, he was no leech, as he supported his party by keeping them well healed & contributed to damage through debuffs. You know how effective those debuffs can be when coupled with a parties AOE spells? Very. Most mages don't bother to use them until AFTER all the damage spells are used up. Where are they left then? With some mobs still remaining because they decided not to weaken them before killing them, so that's where Jj comes in and is a contributing member to the party. He will end up debuffing the mobs before his teammates combo's land on the mobs, this contributing overall damage (possibly more than he could have attempted to by using spells).
Your outcry about him showing and encouraging others in leeching is far fetched, as noobs will usually remain noobs. Most of the "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive.
You don't like leeches in your party? Fine, boot them, problem solved.
Your signature says you're the defender of the weak & innocent. In this case, Jj is the weak with everybody pouncing on him, so why not defend him?
Is it so wrong that he's proud of his achievement? He has an end game character which he plays according to your standards, so forgive me, but I do not see the harm.
There will always be leeches & there is NOTHING you can do to stop them except to remove them from your party.
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The skillset shows me a back up character to follow the main that he is also playing. STS has said in the past that there is nothing wrong with playing on two devices. He can't be blamed for anyone who legitimately does leach, which does fall under the "ruining others experience" part of the tos. This fad/trend of making a zero toon has been around a LONG time. Another friend of mine has done this long before and it didn't ruin Alterra.
No one disagrees real leaches should get the steel toe boot.
I dont see this as a thread teaching others to do what is wrong. It looked to me to be an exuberant sharing of one persons experience.
Very well said.
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Even so, showing off his skillset and proclaim that you have a 0 kill 0 deaths capped player is wrong to begin with. As I must once again emphasise on what I have to say yet again, he is indirectly teaching others how to be a leech in future. He is not making constructive thoughts when he and his guildmate post this thread and he is INDIRECTLY teaching more people how to annoy others in the game.
Sim Jing is correct as always. Before i saw this thread i did not know how to leech. But after seeing it, i immediately learned (indirectly) how to become an expert leech.
He is right when he said it is wrong to to this. It is immoral. First no kills no deaths, then marijuana, then cocaine, then crime to pay for the habit. Its a chain reaction that spirals out of control starting with that zero kill zero death toon. My sister ended up having 3 abortions because of a 0kills 0deaths capped toon. Please take the situation more seriously.
I see this turned into a bitchfest.
Anyway my original point still stands regardless of how he levelled. This isn't an achievement worth bragging about when it is so easy to avoid death.
A toon with an appropriate amount of kills and zero deaths would be worth bragging about
First of all, he is not my guild mate.
But I'd rather have him than u as a guild mate cause like Apollo said, JJ is a nice guy, u just haven't farmed with him yet.
And I don't teach ppl how to leech, there is nothing to teach.
Just because a few ppl have those toons there won't be a huge wave of leechers coming. Ur paranoid.
It doesn't effect ur game if ur the host. Boot the ppl u don't like, no prob.
It's funny that u talk about etiquette while calling others idiots in the same thread.
Saying that I'm not a serious player is truely an insult but well, I think I can handle that ^_^
It's also funny that ur talking about making constructive posts while ur the one that's not capable of doing so.
Why would u leave in disgust?
I just told u that we all have main toons that fit very good into team play.
JJ is not teaching how to leech, he was just happy that he capped a zerodeath-zerokill toon.
Don't be such a drama queen lol
See what I mean about indirect teaching? So you were saying Apollo;
Even so, the picture of his skillsets itself is, let me once again emphasise since at least you counter my arguments well, He was indirectly teaching others how to leech in games, which is frowned upon by many players, even you, unless you probably don't even bother to raise your views out and make your own stand in the first place.he was no leech, as he supported his party by keeping them well healed & contributed to damage through debuffs. You know how effective those debuffs can be when coupled with a parties AOE spells? Very. Most mages don't bother to use them until AFTER all the damage spells are used up. Where are they left then? With some mobs still remaining because they decided not to weaken them before killing them, so that's where Jj comes in and is a contributing member to the party. He will end up debuffing the mobs before his teammates combo's land on the mobs, this contributing overall damage (possibly more than he could have attempted to by using spells).
So are you implying that people that do not know anything will always not know anything? Is that what you are trying to implant into the argument, bro? And For Your Info, even though it is as what you say, "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive, is this really what you are trying to say. Literally, you are telling me that 80% of the population from Pocket Legends have not chanced upon this forum that everyone is in. Not true. I can maybe not be in an account and still I can see the forums in a spectator view to know what's going on. Can you still tell me New people won't come into the forums?Your outcry about him showing and encouraging others in leeching is far fetched, as noobs will usually remain noobs. Most of the "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive.
Easy for you to say, if you keep defending the OP, sooner or later people will learn to leech just like him. And no, it will NOT Be in a private game. It will go like an outbreak.You don't like leeches in your party? Fine, boot them, problem solved.
I would like to introduce you to this poster made in Singapore, you catch a cold, you sneeze without any protection like tissues, you spread the germ. Similar to this scenario, If you indirectly teach others to leech by posting this trollbait post in the forums, similarly others will learn how to troll and leech in front of others in a game. In this scenario it is never about easy booting of anybody that isn't up to standard in a room, it is to prevent people from teaching, let alone introducing others how to be a person that got booted out of numerous rooms because of leeching and trolling.
You are talking out of subject. Nuff said.Your signature says you're the defender of the weak & innocent. In this case, Jj is the weak with everybody pouncing on him, so why not defend him?
You may not see the harm now, it is like a small SARS outbreak in 2003/2004. It may not be noticeable, but when it starts collecting numerous victims, plus a few deaths, WHO was aware of the situation. Soon everybody starts wearing masks like crazy in numerous parts of the world, praying hard they would not catch the new virus that is airborne. Do you get the picture now Apollo? Everything starts out small, then sooner or later, it turns into a BIG problem we have to handle.Is it so wrong that he's proud of his achievement? He has an end game character which he plays according to your standards, so forgive me, but I do not see the harm.
And this is why I am preventing this troll thread from ruining other's gameplay, whether old players or new. I will not want to allow anybody to learn from this thread in the first place. It is for the best for the community.There will always be leeches & there is NOTHING you can do to stop them except to remove them from your party.
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You're not understanding that, even when directed to the forums & shown the abundance of knowledge about the game on here, most people will not enjoy reading long walls of text about the game that show how they're "supposed" to play, just because it's the most efficient. No, most people are in game & having fun. Sure, it may make them more "noob-like", but they're having fun. That's my point, most people, for anything that requires effort (like this) will not attempt it. Pl is a casual game, this is a feat of the hardcore. Normal leeching is going to happen regardless, but this is not normal leeching, but rather a skill.See what I mean about indirect teaching? So you were saying Apollo;
Even so, the picture of his skillsets itself is, let me once again emphasise since at least you counter my arguments well, He was indirectly teaching others how to leech in games, which is frowned upon by many players, even you, unless you probably don't even bother to raise your views out and make your own stand in the first place.
So are you implying that people that do not know anything will always not know anything? Is that what you are trying to implant into the argument, bro? And For Your Info, even though it is as what you say, "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive, is this really what you are trying to say. Literally, you are telling me that 80% of the population from Pocket Legends have not chanced upon this forum that everyone is in. Not true. I can maybe not be in an account and still I can see the forums in a spectator view to know what's going on. Can you still tell me New people won't come into the forums?
Easy for you to say, if you keep defending the OP, sooner or later people will learn to leech just like him. And no, it will NOT Be in a private game. It will go like an outbreak.
I would like to introduce you to this poster made in Singapore, you catch a cold, you sneeze without any protection like tissues, you spread the germ. Similar to this scenario, If you indirectly teach others to leech by posting this trollbait post in the forums, similarly others will learn how to troll and leech in front of others in a game. In this scenario it is never about easy booting of anybody that isn't up to standard in a room, it is to prevent people from teaching, let alone introducing others how to be a person that got booted out of numerous rooms because of leeching and trolling.
You are talking out of subject. Nuff said.
You may not see the harm now, it is like a small SARS outbreak in 2003/2004. It may not be noticeable, but when it starts collecting numerous victims, plus a few deaths, WHO was aware of the situation. Soon everybody starts wearing masks like crazy in numerous parts of the world, praying hard they would not catch the new virus that is airborne. Do you get the picture now Apollo? Everything starts out small, then sooner or later, it turns into a BIG problem we have to handle.
And this is why I am preventing this troll thread from ruining other's gameplay, whether old players or new. I will not want to allow anybody to learn from this thread in the first place. It is for the best for the community.
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Your logic doesn't make sense. A disease is airborne and thus easily spread, it is not something somebody can learn. Please explain to me how this will catch from person to person, as Jj was not the person to do it, infact, there have been quite a few who have without this so called outbreak you speak of.
Here's something I should point out. He has ZERO KILLS AND ZERO DEATHS. Can you really imagine anyone with enough boredom to level all the way to end game without gaining a single kill? I'm not even talking about deaths here, but ONE single kill? Everybody leaches at one point or another, but nobody except pros who want to have it as an achievement is going to level from 1-71 without a single kill.
I'm not talking out of subject, btw, as you're ragging on Jj for no reason.
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See what I mean about indirect teaching? So you were saying Apollo;
Even so, the picture of his skillsets itself is, let me once again emphasise since at least you counter my arguments well, He was indirectly teaching others how to leech in games, which is frowned upon by many players, even you, unless you probably don't even bother to raise your views out and make your own stand in the first place.he was no leech, as he supported his party by keeping them well healed & contributed to damage through debuffs. You know how effective those debuffs can be when coupled with a parties AOE spells? Very. Most mages don't bother to use them until AFTER all the damage spells are used up. Where are they left then? With some mobs still remaining because they decided not to weaken them before killing them, so that's where Jj comes in and is a contributing member to the party. He will end up debuffing the mobs before his teammates combo's land on the mobs, this contributing overall damage (possibly more than he could have attempted to by using spells).
So are you implying that people that do not know anything will always not know anything? Is that what you are trying to implant into the argument, bro? And For Your Info, even though it is as what you say, "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive, is this really what you are trying to say. Literally, you are telling me that 80% of the population from Pocket Legends have not chanced upon this forum that everyone is in. Not true. I can maybe not be in an account and still I can see the forums in a spectator view to know what's going on. Can you still tell me New people won't come into the forums?Your outcry about him showing and encouraging others in leeching is far fetched, as noobs will usually remain noobs. Most of the "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive.
Easy for you to say, if you keep defending the OP, sooner or later people will learn to leech just like him. And no, it will NOT Be in a private game. It will go like an outbreak.You don't like leeches in your party? Fine, boot them, problem solved.
I would like to introduce you to this poster made in Singapore, you catch a cold, you sneeze without any protection like tissues, you spread the germ. Similar to this scenario, If you indirectly teach others to leech by posting this trollbait post in the forums, similarly others will learn how to troll and leech in front of others in a game. In this scenario it is never about easy booting of anybody that isn't up to standard in a room, it is to prevent people from teaching, let alone introducing others how to be a person that got booted out of numerous rooms because of leeching and trolling.
You are talking out of subject. Nuff said.Your signature says you're the defender of the weak & innocent. In this case, Jj is the weak with everybody pouncing on him, so why not defend him?
You may not see the harm now, it is like a small SARS outbreak in 2003/2004. It may not be noticeable, but when it starts collecting numerous victims, plus a few deaths, WHO was aware of the situation. Soon everybody starts wearing masks like crazy in numerous parts of the world, praying hard they would not catch the new virus that is airborne. Do you get the picture now Apollo? Everything starts out small, then sooner or later, it turns into a BIG problem we have to handle.Is it so wrong that he's proud of his achievement? He has an end game character which he plays according to your standards, so forgive me, but I do not see the harm.
And this is why I am preventing this troll thread from ruining other's gameplay, whether old players or new. I will not want to allow anybody to learn from this thread in the first place. It is for the best for the community.There will always be leeches & there is NOTHING you can do to stop them except to remove them from your party.
In Before The Lock.
~Chioricon~
Patricks is being sarcastic. Do they have posters in singapore that teach you about sarcasm? You really think his sister had three abortions because of this?
Wow. LOL.
I was refering to those diseases as an example of how bad habits like leeching could be spread. You should be the one reading word by word instead of making a hollow-sounded "Your logic does not make sense."
It has everything to do with making sense. Did you know that people learn from those threads how to leech? It probable explains why we saw many leechers in the games recently, not to mention bad players that dare advertise to give them powerleveling for a small or, in some cases, a hugh amount that could probably lead to a scam in the first place.
Here is another thing I must point out as well. Talking big over a 0 kill and 0 deaths character that has reached the cap is, to me in all ways not eligible for my respect as frankly, they are not giving a good example to others among them because they are, as I must yet again emphasize, Indirectly teaching others how to leech. And look, you claimed that everybody leeches at some point, and you even have the courage to even dare say that only pros will go for the cap in another character without kills?
Not everyone, as you claimed leeches from the start. It was because of others that taught them how to be an extra load to others in a game, which some take as an example and follow. I have many friends I played from start to end, even then they always helped in each other's game. There was not a single word of leeching or trolling in our games.
If you really want the achievement of getting a zero death character, consider making one that mostly help up and yet never died in games. That way many players would look up in awe around them, even I. This post is not teaching them any good values. It simply teaches them how to troll and leech in games, Indirectly.
You are not making sense, neither are you sharing your views. You are trying to implement Patricks of being sarcastic which frankly, I don't think he is. Talk proper if you want to counter my arguments. Thanks.
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It makes them more "noob" like indeed. Apollo, if you are okay with thinking this kind of leeching is a skill, then from what i said in earlier threads, expect many players, even some immature people in the forums to come into numerous rooms leeching and not helping teammates at all.You're not understanding that, even when directed to the forums & shown the abundance of knowledge about the game on here, most people will not enjoy reading long walls of text about the game that show how they're "supposed" to play, just because it's the most efficient. No, most people are in game & having fun. Sure, it may make them more "noob-like", but they're having fun. That's my point, most people, for anything that requires effort (like this) will not attempt it. Pl is a casual game, this is a feat of the hardcore. Normal leeching is going to happen regardless, but this is not normal leeching, but rather a skill.
Your argument against me is more on me traumatizing the people of N.C.T which in the first part when I insulted them, it was to defend Bobep against them. However this time, it was about some members of N.C.T. teaching others how to be an epic leech in future and you seem to be protecting them? Trust me buddy, no good would come out of this post had I not post my thoughts. And even so, it is up to you, and many others to consider deeply, do we all want to teach new players that come into Pocket Legends, the game that was awarded the best mobile MMO of 2011, really bad examples?
Please consider this as supporting this post would only worsen Pocket Legends in the long term.
Last edited by Sim Jing; 09-04-2012 at 02:53 AM.
First of all, Patrick was being satiric, it is clearly visible.
Secondly, why do you overexaggerate everything?
No, I do no support leeching & no, it won't become an epidemic, which is why I said your logic does not make sense. Do you really HONESTLY believe people will think, "Hmm, this is a good way to play!".
No, those with that mind set hardly make it to 70-71. Even if they do, gear usually tells a story, so you're booting most of them based on inefficient gear anyways. Leeches typically have outdated gear from a campaign or many campaigns lower, in my experience, because they cannot afford the set. Why? Most likely because they've been leaching!
Leeching has not become a big outbreak in this MMO for the following reason: Runs are short & you need the teamwork to clear the map & boss anyways.
I am willing to bet 10m on your supposed "leech outbreak" never happening in PL. There is no need to overexaggerate situations, as it does not help & that outcome HARDLY ever happens.
Jj is not teaching people how to leech, he's merely saying, "look, isn't this nifty? A 71 without a single kill or death? What an ultimate noob!"
Anyways, I could argue further and bring up some stronger arguments, but I value sleep more, so I'm going to get some shut-eye while you can continue saying how this thread is unneeded.
For future reference, you should learn how to state your views on a public forum in a non aggressive way & you'll find people will not only hear you out, but also take you more seriously & perhaps offer views of their own that have not spawned due to anger & frustration.
Also, it's probably not the best idea to pick on one player because of your hatred towards their guild and race, which can be proven through some saved posts.
Apologies for any typos or any confusions, I typed this on a mobile device.
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Your arguments against me is starting to become like a broken-record. Please understand and act like a good example to the community since you are a GoA. Thank you.
Last edited by Sim Jing; 09-04-2012 at 03:47 AM.
A guy can't even post a cool achievement anymore without being attacked by bored and obvious trolls :/
Anyway, grats to the OP. That's quite an achievement in my book!
And for all doubters of my rockstar status:
And so you, another from GoA, also consider this a great achievement? As I have mentioned previously, this was never an achieventment showoff, but rather a topic which encourages others to leech in games.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I posted mine. Simple as that.
And for all doubters of my rockstar status:
Indeed. Just understand that my opinion is not to allow this post to teach others how to leech.
I read every single post you made...and everybody elses too. First of all you obviously have a grudge against NCT because of the bopep scam.... I assure you there are a HUGE amount of people in NCT, just because a few people mightve taken it too far i dont think it means you have to make a bad image of the whole guild. Also, he played in his own locked game... so he isn't ruining anyone's experience. And tbh I don't think anyone would bother leeching even if they knew how to which is so simple... Just gain xp without killing/dieing, not many people would be that bored. Furthermore, this is just a thread to show happy/proud moments.. By saying this is non-constructive and say in before lock im pretty sure you would think that every single thread that says something like "im finally 71!" should be locked.... But whenever I opened them I didn't see you flame them... I think you shouldnt pick on NCT members. I personally think if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it unless it is constructive.
P.S. Congrats jjiang!
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