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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    I hear you... but I really don't think anyone would run an 'elite' map if they could get the exact same rewards from a 'normal' one.

    I also think that players wouldn't run a 'normal' map if the drop chances were adjusted for comparative difficulty to the 'elite' version.
    How about u put a leaderboard for elite? U know not everyone has kraken to run elite, so normal they run for loot and elite leaderboard + loot

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankcastle911 View Post
    How about u put a leaderboard for elite? U know not everyone has kraken to run elite, so normal they run for loot and elite leaderboard + loot

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    Still. Nobody would care about LB if they can run an easy map and loot Arcanes. If they ran LB it would be for giggles and not for competition - the way it’s set up there is one ultra hard map with good rewards and two LB’s with unique badges and animated titles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    Still. Nobody would care about LB if they can run an easy map and loot Arcanes. If they ran LB it would be for giggles and not for competition - the way it’s set up there is one ultra hard map with good rewards and two LB’s with unique badges and animated titles.


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    Is the map open 24/7? The hp buff's on the portal bosses made people play less and now portal such as rahab and gauntlet taking more time to open

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    Still. Nobody would care about LB if they can run an easy map and loot Arcanes. If they ran LB it would be for giggles and not for competition - the way it’s set up there is one ultra hard map with good rewards and two LB’s with unique badges and animated titles.


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    Ah welp so cant play without kraken basically?

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    If you need the best awaken kraken to farm, what's the point to loot bound kraken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elec View Post
    If you need the best awaken kraken to farm, what's the point to loot bound kraken?
    You're right.

    There will be no Kraken drops in the Arcane Catacombs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    You're right.

    There will be no Kraken drops in the Arcane Catacombs.
    So, Catacombs offers no Kraken drops, a low gold-to-time completion ratio? What exactly does it even offer then?

    Understandable that it's meant to accommodate the most geared players and you think they must not need anything else, so is it solely just for running its own leaderboard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilove_Poopoo View Post
    So, Catacombs offers no Kraken drops, a low gold-to-time completion ratio? What exactly does it even offer then?

    Understandable that it's meant to accommodate the most geared players and you think they must not need anything else, so is it solely just for running its own leaderboard?
    Who said it's a low gold to time completion ratio ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itzmemohsin View Post
    Who said it's a low gold to time completion ratio ?
    Just an assumption looking at how they've gone their way of "inflationary controls" and severely nerfed the current farming maps by immensely buffing them. So, assumed this one would offer a low gold-to-time completion ratio.

    If not, then I guess I'd farm this one a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilove_Poopoo View Post
    So, Catacombs offers no Kraken drops, a low gold-to-time completion ratio? What exactly does it even offer then?

    Understandable that it's meant to accommodate the most geared players and you think they must not need anything else, so is it solely just for running its own leaderboard?
    Yes. Just LB rewards, some vanities, and a stipend of prestige.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilove_Poopoo View Post
    Just an assumption looking at how they've gone their way of "inflationary controls" and severely nerfed the current farming maps by immensely buffing them. So, assumed this one would offer a low gold-to-time completion ratio.

    If not, then I guess I'd farm this one a lot.
    Gold isn’t final rn. No sense hyping it til it’s done. Best for you to assume that the gold isn’t going to blow you away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    Yes. Just LB rewards, some vanities, and a stipend of prestige.


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    It might flop ngl. Similar to Zodias in the early days when everyone was hyped to complete aps to loot exclusive vanities, but no one really plays for these now.

    Another comparison: Zodias Portal leaderboards offer the most exclusive badges, only 4 ppl get these badges a month, and yet the same groups of maxed-out players aren't interested. The competition would only be on the last opening out of the whole month.

    Need some alternative gold source where players can spend hours in the game regularly. It's the reason the game is much much much more active when gold maps are opened. But rn everyone chilling in camp.

    Wasn't a good move to just cut us off from gold farming with no back up when a good chunk had already invested a lot into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilove_Poopoo View Post
    It might flop ngl. Similar to Zodias in the early days when everyone was hyped to complete aps to loot exclusive vanities, but no one really plays for these now.

    Another comparison: Zodias Portal leaderboards offer the most exclusive badges, only 4 ppl get these badges a month, and yet the same groups of maxed-out players aren't interested. The competition would only be on the last opening out of the whole month.

    Need some alternative gold source where players can spend hours in the game regularly. It's the reason the game is much much much more active when gold maps are opened. But rn everyone chilling in camp.

    Wasn't a good move to just cut us off from gold farming with no back up when a good chunk had already invested a lot into it.
    Difficult content runs that risk. Easy, breezy content that gives good gold is what most AL players love. To that end we will be nerfing the Zodias portal bosses so that players can once again feel that power fantasy for which AL is known (not to the original stats but pretty close).

    Seeing how players reacted to the change to Zodias portal bosses has made me pretty grim about the Arcane Catacombs. Offering content that is designed to offer challenge and award prestige without destroying the gold economy may indeed be a flop :-)
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    I personally like the idea of getting "free" bound kraken items. To have the option to awake those bound versions for a new set ex speed or gl set for less investment sounds great. Also the challenge of the new map is hopefully true to your word. Looking for a slower more methodical map then one you can just run through in 5 seconds.

    An early sneak peak would be great 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by imfeared View Post
    I personally like the idea of getting "free" bound kraken items. To have the option to awake those bound versions for a new set ex speed or gl set for less investment sounds great. Also the challenge of the new map is hopefully true to your word. Looking for a slower more methodical map then one you can just run through in 5 seconds.

    An early sneak peak would be great ��
    I was planning on a sneak peak today but I'm mired in (righteous, totally valid) Quest XP complaints atm :-)

    Players with Kraken gears don't want them to drop because it'll kill the resale value. Players without Kraken gears don't want bound ones to drop because they want to merch the loot. Players with and without Kraken gears don't want alternatives to the Kraken gears because varied stats will be seen as "useless" for resale, and "trash" for stashing on other characters - since they already have the best gears, etc., etc. and just need to stash their good stuff if they want to complete the content on another toon.

    It's fine logic. I'm good with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    Difficult content runs that risk. Easy, breezy content that gives good gold is what most AL players love. To that end we will be nerfing the Zodias portal bosses so that players can once again feel that power fantasy for which AL is known (not to the original stats but pretty close).

    Seeing how players reacted to the change to Zodias portal bosses has made me pretty grim about the Arcane Catacombs. Offering content that is designed to offer challenge and award prestige without destroying the gold economy may indeed be a flop :-)
    Having high numbers of gold in the economy doesn’t mean that the economy can’t be balanced. It’s important to figure out better ways to balance it. Currently, the game is moving backwards because gold is appreciating in value while items are depreciating. Having just large numbers with extra zeros doesn’t cause any harm; it’s just how we perceive things. Those are just numbers , numbers don’t have any value unless they are linked to effort and scarcity .

    The problem arises when newer maps have insanely more gold than older ones and don’t scale well . This makes it difficult for newer players at lower levels to balance their gameplay. For example, if you can earn 100k per minute at an endgame map, you should be able to earn at least 10k or more at the start of the game and 20k or more at middle levels. The economy was pretty balanced before the release of gold loot. You could earn at least 20-30% of what best end game players earned even if you were a new player. After the release of gold loot, the disparity is humongous. End game players earn 100x the amount of gold a newer or mid game player earns because currently for a new player earning 100k gold is a big task that could even take 1 hour +, while an endgame player farming would easily be able to get around 100k in a minute. That’s where the mindset of the game being imbalanced starts.

    In my opinion, increasing the amount of gold earned won’t cause any harm; inflation is actually a good thing because it stops people from hoarding too much gold and encourages them to spend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinco View Post
    Yes. Just LB rewards, some vanities, and a stipend of prestige.


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    Wait, all these extra weeks to make an useless map that no one will play except for a few ppl on last day?? So, its literally gonna be zodias gauntlet 2.0... well if that is the sort of content you guys want to push out... sigh excited for nothing.

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    @cinco I'm full 3k dex kraken which is on the high end still would want lootable bound kraken gears as stated above to diversify another load out without another huge investment. I almost posted in general discussion earlier about a possible sneak peak but ended up erasing it. Honestly think it would be a good time for a early sneak peak ,) as some people are truly excited as to see what is to come.
    On the other hand I think a lot of people have forgotten just how expensive the now "useless" as some have said, 81 zaarus gear was and the grind to get a set. The kraken sets are now falling just like those mythic sets did which is good for up and comers.
    I do think the health buff on the portal maps were a bit overkill and that's where a lot of this negativity is coming from right now. 3k dex kraken and now phase 1 of raha is ROUGH and most players aren't at 2.5k main stat in kraken. A seemingly 3-4x health increase was a little too much. Reducing it by 1/4 of its current health would make it still doable but the increase in time would slow the roll of gold into the game still.
    All this coming from my general observation. No negativity just my honest feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itzmemohsin View Post
    Having high numbers of gold in the economy doesn’t mean that the economy can’t be balanced. It’s important to figure out better ways to balance it. Currently, the game is moving backwards because gold is appreciating in value while items are depreciating. Having just large numbers with extra zeros doesn’t cause any harm; it’s just how we perceive things. Those are just numbers , numbers don’t have any value unless they are linked to effort and scarcity .

    The problem arises when newer maps have insanely more gold than older ones and don’t scale well . This makes it difficult for newer players at lower levels to balance their gameplay. For example, if you can earn 100k per minute at an endgame map, you should be able to earn at least 10k or more at the start of the game and 20k or more at middle levels. The economy was pretty balanced before the release of gold loot. You could earn at least 20-30% of what best end game players earned even if you were a new player. After the release of gold loot, the disparity is humongous. End game players earn 100x the amount of gold a newer or mid game player earns because currently for a new player earning 100k gold is a big task that could even take 1 hour +, while an endgame player farming would easily be able to get around 100k in a minute. That’s where the mindset of the game being imbalanced starts.

    In my opinion, increasing the amount of gold earned won’t cause any harm; inflation is actually a good thing because it stops people from hoarding too much gold and encourages them to spend it.
    @Cinco what do you think about this , very curious to know your point of view

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longtao View Post
    Wait, all these extra weeks to make an useless map that no one will play except for a few ppl on last day?? So, its literally gonna be zodias gauntlet 2.0... well if that is the sort of content you guys want to push out... sigh excited for nothing.
    After making so much hype for such a long time , if they just make it just a vanity lb which every other event already is nowadays and that too it even requires players to have the best gears that costs billions of gold , it will surely be dead on launch or in a few days and will surely not be recieved well by the community .

    Hope they add some great gold drops and genuinely useful tokens to it , so that players don't feel like every other hyped update turns out to be bad after almost a year of hype creation !

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