Thoughts on nerfing Hyperos gun proc and Curse Skill

[Ezekieya]

This topic is centered pve wise, specifically erahab farming. And I know this will get a lot of hate from mage mains, but this has to be said.

If the purpose of the buff on rahab is to get all classes to work together in that portal, then sad to say it didn’t work.


I am a very decent warrior. I built my character like a rogue with 100% crit chance and 85% crit dmg and I am only able to do 50% of lb orrick hp in 27 secs with my best combo and full damage elixir (after lb buff). I used to be able to melt erahab hp full health without redline, now with my best combo and full dmg elixir, I can only do 30-35% hp of erahab. (Rogues are almost the same)

Mages can do 4 secs solo lb orrick. That’s phase 1 done erahab now easily for them solo wise with hyperos proc and curse skill.

What’s the point of playing warrior class if mage can be tanky and do more damage? The class discrimination worsened after this update. Most of my warrior friends are planning on switching if catacomb arrives and warriors are not needed. Hell some already left the game already.

The only thing good about this update is that it fixed the gold exploit farm that some players are abusing in rahab and is causing inflation, but overall, this is some sloppy work from sts.

Edit: Now the best place to farm gold I heard is elite sanc and sunken or zodias gauntlet. Normal rahab is old erahab hp with worse gl drops.

[Ilove_Poopoo]

You claim that this thread is mainly for Erahab, but why would you farm the map anymore when you also say that it has the worst gold drops?

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[Beanecacan]

U and ur warrior friends are just bad

[Ezekieya]

You claim that this thread is mainly for Erahab, but why would you farm the map anymore when you also say that it has the worst gold drops?

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What? No, that’s not what I said. Look at the title of the thread.

And I said normal rahab feels like the old erahab hp with worser gold drops.

[Ezekieya]

U and ur warrior friends are just bad

I found a mage main.

[Oawaoebi]

I don’t know 1 mage who uses curse on mobs to make them kill easier.

Each class got the same skill with curse goes shadow bomb and vengeful blood. All 3 are helping the team to deal more damage. Increases damage taken by 10% 20% if fully buffed. Where is the problem? When I curse Ali as warrior benefit from it. Only 1 mage with curse needed on boss. No mage uses it for the 3 mobs on 4m radius 10m and 8 mobs in full skill.

Idk why you complain about a skill that benefits you the same as others.


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[Ezekieya]

I don’t know 1 mage who uses curse on mobs to make them kill easier.

Each class got the same skill with curse goes shadow bomb and vengeful blood. All 3 are helping the team to deal more damage. Increases damage taken by 10% 20% if fully buffed. Where is the problem? When I curse Ali as warrior benefit from it. Only 1 mage with curse needed on boss. No mage uses it for the 3 mobs on 4m radius 10m and 8 mobs in full skill.

Idk why you complain about a skill that benefits you the same as others.


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I see a lot of mages who uses curse skills on both bosses and mobs, it literally shreds them.

Shadow bomb and VB =/= curse skill.
Curse skill is many more times more powerful.

The issue here is that a well-kitted mage can solo erahab without any issue compared to the other classes. Making it irrelevant to have other classes in your pt unless you’re doing zodias gauntlet. Rogues have better dot and procs compared to wars so they get invited to pts but wars? Forget it. Our kraken procs sucks.

[Ezekieya]

I bet 90% of the players here won't switch to warrior in today's state of the game. If you do, let me know how it is. It's a disheartening class pve-wise.

[Oawaoebi]

You talking about endgame here. Look at otvfrom few years ago. When 10% didn’t affected anything. The 50 str boost was op now it’s little buff. Curse was never actively known as op skill since zodias came out. Andrew used it in evg, but it wasn’t a known skill as must have in setup.

I totally agree with u that reducing the dmg income from 10% to 5% is enough, but then it means on lower levels where it used to be balanced the skill gets wrecked and becomes the worst of all.


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[Msrobinsonal]

You got rejected from a party, now you want all mages nerfed...cool but what about that 6x str ultimate? It shreds bosses so it should get nerfed too right?

[Ezekieya]

You got rejected from a party, now you want all mages nerfed...cool but what about that 6x str ultimate? It shreds bosses so it should get nerfed too right?

It’s not just me, most regular warriors get rejected and discriminated regardless if they are op or not. See, you guys don’t understand that because you’re probably one of those arrogant mages and rogues. Go ahead and play warrior class and see for yourself what I mean. It’s hella toxic.

Sure, nerf our ultimate too. We barely get to use it anyways. As a matter of fact, take our other skills as well. If that’s what it takes to get our skills updated and improved then Im all
For it.

[AgentStonoga]

It’s not just me, most regular warriors get rejected and discriminated regardless if they are op or not. See, you guys don’t understand that because you’re probably one of those arrogant mages and rogues. Go ahead and play warrior class and see for yourself what I mean. It’s hella toxic.

Sure, nerf our ultimate too. We barely get to use it anyways. As a matter of fact, take our other skills as well. If that’s what it takes to get our skills updated and improved then Im all
For it.

Good warriors weren't rejected. It was stated basically million times that good warrior needs polaris (or at least neptaris), cause it was able (before buff) to 1tap 2nd phase, which was helping our runs to be much faster. Sometimes I was trying to convince some polaris wars to leave their pt and join my pt, cause no polaris war was free. Sometimes was also running with 2 polaris wars in pt (1 for mini and 2 for 2 stage or polaris 2nd stage war + krak sword 2nd stage+last war) and it also worked pretty good.
Fastest possible lb rahab run was with 1 sorcerer and 3 wars, so it says a lot how good wars were useful on this map.

[Ezekieya]

Good warriors weren't rejected. It was stated basically million times that good warrior needs polaris (or at least neptaris), cause it was able (before buff) to 1tap 2nd phase, which was helping our runs to be much faster. Sometimes I was trying to convince some polaris wars to leave their pt and join my pt, cause no polaris war was free. Sometimes was also running with 2 polaris wars in pt (1 for mini and 2 for 2 stage or polaris 2nd stage war + krak sword 2nd stage+last war) and it also worked pretty good.
Fastest possible lb rahab run was with 1 sorcerer and 3 wars, so it says a lot how good wars were useful on this map.

"Good warriors were not rejected."

Yes, they weren't, but that's a very small population of OP warriors. You don't see warriors often bursting erahab's full hp back then. Most warriors you'll meet are mid and they can barely do phase 1 (most of the time they cannot).

Polaris and Neptaris are good weapons, but it's not the best combo of warriors (I've tested). The best and gives the most damage solo-wise is zodias aegis. I've tested my high-level zodias aegis erahab now and can only do 35-40% hp with full damage elixirs (expensive), 100% crit chance, and 85% crit damage build. This weapon also ignores the damage mitigation/armor of bosses btw. This is the only weapon that can compete with mages or rogues. This weapon is very hard to proc even at higher levels and hard to level up. Forget about the kraken gears, it's literally useless now for warriors to use it against main bosses. They can probably use it on mini but not the main boss it literally does no damage.

You say that you can take out 35% hp of erahab now, which is good, but unlike other classes they cannot do it consistently like you do (maybe rogues can but warriors cannot). Literally was just in a random of full warriors in pub match and we were doing ekenta and they (all 3 of them) literally did no damage until I stepped in. Mind you, some of them had kraken gears and neptaris and best they can do is 10% hp.

[AgentStonoga]

"Good warriors were not rejected."

Yes, they weren't, but that's a very small population of OP warriors. You don't see warriors often bursting erahab's full hp back then. Most warriors you'll meet are mid and they can barely do phase 1 (most of the time they cannot).

Polaris and Neptaris are good weapons, but it's not the best combo of warriors (I've tested). The best and gives the most damage solo-wise is zodias aegis. I've tested my high-level zodias aegis erahab now and can only do 35-40% hp with full damage elixirs (expensive), 100% crit chance, and 85% crit damage build. This weapon also ignores the damage mitigation/armor of bosses btw. This is the only weapon that can compete with mages or rogues. This weapon is very hard to proc even at higher levels and hard to level up. Forget about the kraken gears, it's literally useless now for warriors to use it against main bosses. They can probably use it on mini but not the main boss it literally does no damage.

You say that you can take out 35% hp of erahab now, which is good, but unlike other classes they cannot do it consistently like you do (maybe rogues can but warriors cannot). Literally was just in a random of full warriors in pub match and we were doing ekenta and they (all 3 of them) literally did no damage until I stepped in. Mind you, some of them had kraken gears and neptaris and best they can do is 10% hp.

What solo-wise damage? Whole point of rahab as a warrior was to pre proc polaris and kraken gear on 1 stage when you seen red floor and then take full hp on stage 2 with one hit. Polaris is the best 1 hit weapon in terms of dmg, zodias aegis couldn't take whole hp in just 1 hit. You didn't even need op gear, because even 2.5k str on zaarus was enough to do that and if you were struggling with that then it was just your lack of skill or slowly killed mini. People who were doing that were able to get pt easily, it was just your fault that you didn't play in proper way as a war on rahab.

Well, most wars can't compete with rogs/sorcs in terms of kraken weapons, but they got weapon which can take insane amount of hp with 1 hit or ridiculous force sword which outclasses other weapons in terms of killing group of mobs.

[Beanecacan]

I bet 90% of the players here won't switch to warrior in today's state of the game. If you do, let me know how it is. It's a disheartening class pve-wise.

Im war main since always never played other class if u dont knew me yet means u bad af so just be quiet abt classes and l2p xd

[Freed]

Im war main since always never played other class if u dont knew me yet means u bad af so just be quiet abt classes and l2p xd

Who are you? xD
Bro thinks he is famous haha

[Freed]

I am a war main and I am 100% agree with you.
Mages has the best damage in game, having procs that give them 500% HP, Armor and OP shield, so whats the point if playing tank?

I also worked on my warrior to get 2600STR with high Crit damage, I could deal 75% of E Rahab HP solo in few seconds and now after this update I legit can’t do anything.
Mages just shred anything in their way, I guess STS want us all to stop playing warrior and make this game “Mage Legends”.

[AgentStonoga]

I am a war main and I am 100% agree with you.
Mages has the best damage in game, having procs that give them 500% HP, Armor and OP shield, so whats the point if playing tank?

I also worked on my warrior to get 2600STR with high Crit damage, I could deal 75% of E Rahab HP solo in few seconds and now after this update I legit can’t do anything.
Mages just shred anything in their way, I guess STS want us all to stop playing warrior and make this game “Mage Legends”.

Mage the best dmg in game? LOL, rog with curse skill has the highest dps.
You're not the only one who can't do anything to elite e rahab, almost all mages and rogs can't do 1 phase now, I can take like 35% of e raha hp at most on my mage.

[Freed]

Mage the best dmg in game? LOL, rog with curse skill has the highest dps.
You're not the only one who can't do anything to elite e rahab, almost all mages and rogs can't do 1 phase now, I can take like 35% of e raha hp at most on my mage.

Your denying the fact that mages does the most damage by far is funny lol
Look at Orrick LB, this boss has now alot of HP and some mages can kill it SOLO in 3 seconds.
Show me a single player war or even a rogue who can do it solo even in 6 seconds which is double the time, and you wont find any

[Oawaoebi]

Your denying the fact that mages does the most damage by far is funny lol
Look at Orrick LB, this boss has now alot of HP and some mages can kill it SOLO in 3 seconds.
Show me a single player war or even a rogue who can do it solo even in 6 seconds which is double the time, and you wont find any

You are giving interesting statements. Theres 2 mages who have the right gear and the correct strategy and who are able to do orrick in 3 seconds solo. How do you know its solo? They could just ask someone to join them give a pet buff and leave the map so the score only shows 1 person on the lb and spots 1-10 can be taken by 1 person only. When i enter in a full party the map we kill the boss and 0.1sec before boss dead all leave the map except the war. The war will have best time and then will you say according to the lb warrior is the best class and can kill the bosses as best? And nobody is trying for that lb anymore, bc it has a 30 days reward and that’s it.

When we enter pvp rogue is by far the best class. That’s not bc it has best defense ( i would rate it the weakest), but the damage surpasses warrior and mage together. Hit speed is fastest you can compare on dps of classes. Damage of skills is the highest. They have most damage skills and those are fast used no need to charge them to onehit an average player who is not defending himself and im not talking about procs. When you look into festerfang pvp. Theres 2 mages 5 wars and 15 rogues.

When i compare my friends damage on bosses with same stats and equipment. Rogue deals more damage. And no i wasn’t using curse or told the rog to use any buffs.

Warriors also have good damage dealing weapons. Remember spirit weapon war on too much damage? It was a warrior who pulled out the 0ms orrick. Warriors kraken items deal on first hit more damage than rog or mage ones. Level up that weapon try around find your own Playstyle you like the most. I myself play warrior for 2.5 years consistently daily/weekly and the only thing i have to complain is the aim of normal attack. When i am using a speed set and want to hit the mobs i have to pass them then release the hit to kill them. This should be fixed first.


I remember when proc stack removal was announced for zodias expansion. Every warrior sold their gear and switched to mage/rog or quitted the game completely. This means it misses the experienced playerbase of warrior. Slowly the more and more wars are coming back/joining and getting better.


You always can point on the strongest and say its unfair because you simply are not as good. If you go on a mage and beat them i`ll agree with you that you are right and that its the mage class who is too strong. I have recently seen that warriors with ult kill elite bosses faster solo than 3 mages together. Why? Because the warrior is stronger than the mage.


I personally dont see the issue of warrior dealing less damage than other classes. What would it mean to choose a class when every class has the same damage, the same Defense and the same speed on killing enemies/bosses. Then we can simply ask cinco to remove rogs and mages and the game will only run on one class. It totally would lose the uniqueness of a class and its benefits and disadvantages.


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