Kavanah's Berserker Build

[kavanah]

this thread should be renamed the Fat Mans Build. berserker sounds very DeXish

Berserkers have never been dex based in any lore. A tank dpser is a great lore description of a berserker and that's what this build is

[Demonicdevyn]

yo kananah wats the better build to follow top or bottom
??

[vulgarstrike]

"My love for you is like a truck, BERSERKER
Would you like some making"...
nevermind, anyway very cool guide. I'm interested to know if this build's high health and skill damage makes it at all viable in PvP. I tried out a full Int enchantress after the stat-driven skills update and discovered that you still really need Dex to compete in PvP with a mage, but a full Str bear, especially with Isis on would just be so hard to kill...

I'm not sure if you know this, but my pure Mage has brought instant respect from chankleta and chaudex who I see as some of the best pvpers around in the paladin and warrior build. I can consistently rank 1st and 2nd in kills. the only downside is i am destined to die by archers.

[Royce]

royce, play a pure tank player and you'll see what i mean. obviously you can't ko full str bears but after 10 secs, they become very fragile. i played about 5 full str bears and i was always at full hp, due to the fact they can't hit me AT ALL because of their lack of dex.

I do have a Str/Dex tank actually, his name's Royce-Fnord But anyway, I wasn't disagreeing in general that Dex is useful for PvP, just disagreeing with your use of the word "tank", and your assertion that they are "easy" to take down. And remember just when you think a tank's buffs are running out, your hit% debuff on them will also be running out
Anyway, guess I'll have to respec to full Str and try it out. I've just been too busy playing with my 3 mages' stats since the stat-driven skill update to spend much time on my bear. I'm sure I'll go back to some Dex after testing it, but exactly how much should be interesting to determine, just like it now is for Int mages.

[Raxie]

you won't believe me until you try; so go play a full str bear.
and i'm sorry but i don't get your 'tank' definition. did i use it in the wrong context?

[Bentmer]

I do have a Str/Dex tank actually, his name's Royce-Fnord But anyway, I wasn't disagreeing in general that Dex is useful for PvP, just disagreeing with your use of the word "tank", and your assertion that they are "easy" to take down. And remember just when you think a tank's buffs are running out, your hit% debuff on them will also be running out
Anyway, guess I'll have to respec to full Str and try it out. I've just been too busy playing with my 3 mages' stats since the stat-driven skill update to spend much time on my bear. I'm sure I'll go back to some Dex after testing it, but exactly how much should be interesting to determine, just like it now is for Int mages.

Hate to play devil's advocate here, but technically speaking, there are no 'tanks' in pvp. Since there is no way to 'taunt' players to attack you and there is no such thing as aggro in pvp, the term tank really doesn't exist. What do you call a low burst dps, high health player in pvp? Probably something like low priority target.

I am curious with the testing going on, has anyone determined just how much extra damage/healing is being increased for every point invested in the primary stat?

[Royce]

Hate to play devil's advocate here, but technically speaking, there are no 'tanks' in pvp. Since there is no way to 'taunt' players to attack you and there is no such thing as aggro in pvp, the term tank really doesn't exist.

I disagree. Taunt is barely effective for holding aggro even in PvE. So just like PvE, a PvP tank has to control opponents with beckon and stuns

[kavanah]

yo kananah wats the better build to follow top or bottom
??

There is only one build that I have listed. That's the main build which is my "near" pure tanking build that I have saved in my "Tank" loadout. The other loadout which I've titled my "zerker" loadout is simply for me to adjust to a game with more tanks in it, that I would be tanking less so I could switch to a loadout with more DPS.

So the main questions you have to ask yourself is, "do I like the playstile of ursans?", "do I like their skills?", "do I want to be more of a tanker, a damage dealer, or be able to switch between both while compromising on damage and tanking dps?" The whole point of this setup is so that I can go from being a heavy tanker to being a decent DPS.

[Bentmer]

I disagree. Taunt is barely effective for holding aggro even in PvE. So just like PvE, a PvP tank has to control opponents with beckon and stuns

It may not work very well in PvE, but it totally doesn't work in PvP

The basic concept of a tank is to get the enemies to hit you instead of them. Stuns and movement control skills are a form of crowd control, not aggro control. You're still not getting them to attack you when you beckon or stomp them. You are just getting them to temporarily stop attacking others.

I'm speaking of PvP in general by the way. In all of the MMO's I've ever played, the tank is probably the least useful build in PvP. Unless you count flag running or something. It would be cool to see something where you could actually force a player to attack you for a few seconds tho. I understand that it is almost impossible go program that.

[Royce]

It would be cool to see something where you could actually force a player to attack you for a few seconds tho. I understand that it is almost impossible go program that.

It's been suggested that Taunt in PvP should cause any oppents in range to automatically target you at least momentarilly. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it would definitely make tanks more useful for PvP.

[kuroi]

hey kavanah

[Arterra]

It's been suggested that Taunt in PvP should cause any oppents in range to automatically target you at least momentarilly. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but it would definitely make tanks more useful for PvP.

not a bad idea... tho means the bear gets the axe in a huge group brawl.

[Nytesdawn]

I'd opt out vengeful slash for crippling slash and 4 skills in taunt for 4 in crushing blow