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**Yich** · 10-03-2012, 06:54 PM

So how come the devs didn't say anything about the obvious raise in the drop rate of many rare items?

EDIT: oh and would anyone like to go and count the infinite suggestion threads suggesting FH recipes and 56 glyph drop rates being raised? I think the devs commented on a few, and then players just did it for them "this has been suggested a lot and the devs said no. It's not going to happen". Well, guess it happened..

**cookiez** · 10-03-2012, 07:01 PM

I was wondering about that too...

**Rare** · 10-03-2012, 07:02 PM

They did it to make you ask questions. What is life if there are no questions?

**GoodSyntax** · 10-03-2012, 07:02 PM

Yeah, thanks for the heads up! I've been buying Shamrock Thrashers and running in the Nuri's Turnstile - only to find out that the pinks I dropped are almost worthless :-(

If I would have known, I would have sold them off weeks ago, or better yet, not even bothered in the first place and saved all that plat.

**Suentous PO** · 10-03-2012, 07:03 PM

Recipes, and what else?

**Yich** · 10-03-2012, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Suentous PO

Recipes, and what else?

Originally Posted by Aedenos

What rare items are you referring to?

All FH recipes. From what I can tell, 56 glyph... I would assume more, but those are the levels I dabble in a bit, so I can't be too sure about others.

**Mothwing** · 10-03-2012, 07:37 PM

Makes sense, I randomly got a recipe yesterday. I never get recipes...

Maybe they chose recipes to help recover low LVL pvp?

**Yich** · 10-03-2012, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Mothwing

Makes sense, I randomly got a recipe yesterday. I never get recipes...

Maybe they chose recipes to help recover low LVL pvp?

Explain to me how this is recovering low level? How would you like it if all endgame sets could be acquired in a few runs?...

**hemanbeast** · 10-03-2012, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Yich

Explain to me how this is recovering low level? How would you like it if all endgame sets could be acquired in a few runs?...

These armors will be obsolete soon anyway, according to Techno... TYVM STS for screwing with our delicate twinking

once again...accidental or not.
It's quite sad when the Crafting Items (AKA Leather Scraps) drop less than the recipes themselves.

This just evens the field between the ones who spent time and the ones who didn't...more and more. Whatever.

**Mothwing** · 10-03-2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Yich

Explain to me how this is recovering low level? How would you like it if all endgame sets could be acquired in a few runs?...

Ummm...More recipes->more crafting->more armor->better players?

**LwMark** · 10-03-2012, 07:59 PM

Glyphs for days now! I spent 60plat and made 6m+

**Yich** · 10-03-2012, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by hemanbeast

This just evens the field between the ones who spent time and the ones who didn't...more and more. Whatever.

Originally Posted by Mothwing

Ummm...More recipes->more crafting->more armor->better players?

Im going to put these two together... Better players.. because more armor.. DF leathers were fairly easy to acquire, if you had the brains to do it. Pjs were easy enough to acquire.
Then back at the first quote, I guess it's a matter of opinion on whether or not that playing field should be evened. I personally think the players with more time in game should have something to show for it, as they do in every other aspect of the game.

**Mothwing** · 10-03-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Yich

Im going to put these two together... Better players.. because more armor.. DF leathers were fairly easy to acquire, if you had the brains to do it. Pjs were easy enough to acquire.
Then back at the first quote, I guess it's a matter of opinion on whether or not that playing field should be evened. I personally think the players with more time in game should have something to show for it, as they do in every other aspect of the game.

Crafted armor is better than both of those...

**Yich** · 10-03-2012, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mothwing

Crafted armor is better than both of those...

And it should be harder to obtain as well, now shouldn't it?

**Mothwing** · 10-03-2012, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Yich

And it should be harder to obtain as well, now shouldn't it?

That's my point...

You've been complaining about how much low lvl PVP has been ruined, and now STS does something about it. So, I point it out but you're still arguing with me...

I don't get you...

**Yich** · 10-03-2012, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Mothwing

That's my point...

You've been complaining about how much low lvl PVP has been ruined, and now STS does something about it. So, I point it out but you're still arguing with me...

I don't get you...

There must be a very big confusion here. Just to straighten it out, I do not think raising the drop rate for recipes was a good update. Seeing as how my "complaining" did nothing about the last update I didn't appreciate, I won't bother with this one. Sure, they "did something about it", but I don't see how this could be a solution... Notice DF leathers are harder to obtain than the crafted armors. That's because in the past, the better an item was, the harder it was to get. I just dont see why they would raise the drop rate for sacredly rare items such as these...

**Mothwing** · 10-03-2012, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Yich

There must be a very big confusion here. Just to straighten it out, I do not think raising the drop rate for recipes was a good update. Seeing as how my "complaining" did nothing about the last update I didn't appreciate, I won't bother with this one. Sure, they "did something about it", but I don't see how this could be a solution... Notice DF leathers are harder to obtain than the crafted armors. That's because in the past, the better an item was, the harder it was to get. I just dont see why they would raise the drop rate for sacredly rare items such as these...

Not necessarily. Keepers staves drop out of the kazoo, and they're great staves for the level.

I still don't get why you're angry. They have given low level PVP a revival, but now you're worried about the "usefulness" and "quality" of an item. Give me a break...Not everything can be just how Yich wants it. Believe it or not you have to make compromises once in a while...

**CrimsonTider** · 10-03-2012, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Yich

How would you like it if all endgame sets could be acquired in a few runs?...

First few weeks after Humania update, if you ran Monster Bash, this was very achievable.

**Yich** · 10-03-2012, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mothwing

Not necessarily. Keepers staves drop out of the kazoo, and they're great staves for the level.

I still don't get why you're angry. They have given low level PVP a revival, but now you're worried about the "usefulness" and "quality" of an item. Give me a break...Not everything can be just how Yich wants it. Believe it or not you have to make compromises once in a while...

Im not sure how you come to this conclusion. Yes, some levels have the best items as an easy drop. I personally avoid those levels for PvP and farming (obviously), and I don't often see any tournaments there. Perhaps those are unpopular levels? The only reason low level won't turn into something like this is because low level is where people start the game at, and they discover PvP at around levels 8-20 (usually). Will low levels popularity reflect it's quality as a diverse, fun and engaging level of PvP? My answer to that is a grim, but definite "No." I guess if the "majority" disagree, then who am I to complain, right? Then again, does STS even go to low level PvP and ask them what they think?
Maybe you haven't noticed, but few low level PvP regulars are on forums. Sure, a lot of the Endgamers have low level characters. They are also quick to insult low levels maturity when given the chance. That's why I call them endgamers, and not low level players, no matter how many characters they have.
I really do give up on trying to change any kind of update, believe me. Just know that I'm not the only guy with this opinion, and I'm not in a minority where it matters.

**Yich** · 10-03-2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by CrimsonTider

First few weeks after Humania update, if you ran Monster Bash, this was very achievable.

Didn't last long though, I'm sure. A bug maybe? Bugs are common when releasing new content, something low level players used to not have to deal with.