Suggestion: Nerf gold income in Gauntlet

[ForumJunkie]

It does not make sense that the new portal earns less per hour than the gauntlet portal. Gauntlet's earning potential per hour is 9-13m, while Hedo lair is around 4-7m per hour (ofc, this depends on gold loot and team power). This is why the expansion is not played enough [yes, i know the devs will be adding elite and other farmable items, but that's not my point here].

I understand that the gauntlet map requires 1 of each kind of class to play it, and it must be an excellent party to last long waves, but that's easily achievable if you have the gears, friends, and knowledge of in-game mechanics.

If it's not possible to nerf the gold drops of the boss or miniboss in the gauntlet, maybe make the mobs or boss a bit tankier to slow down the runs in the gauntlet portal.

I know this thread will get a lot of hate, but keeping the economy healthy in the long run is vital.

What is the community's thought on this? A developer's comment about this issue would also be appreciated. Thank you.

[xbell]

That's why not everyone can do that. You can only make those number if you can quickly find op party, wave 100+ and op goldloot. On the other side, new portal is easy and anyone with kraken can farm.
Soon it will be nerfed since game want us to focus on latest maps.

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[ForumJunkie]

That's why not everyone can do that. You can only make those number if you can quickly find op party, wave 100+ and op goldloot.

Yes, that's what I just said in my original post.

See below:

I understand that the gauntlet map requires 1 of each kind of class to play it, and it must be an excellent party to last long waves, but that's easily achievable if you have the gears, friends, and knowledge of in-game mechanics.

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On the other side, new portal is easy and anyone with kraken can farm.

This is not entirely true. All maps are difficult to run if you do not have the required gear, team, and knowledge to run a dungeon.

The only difference between the gauntlet and Hedo lair is that the gauntlet has a faster clearing time on each wave than the Hedo lair to earn gold.

And that's the point of this thread. I want the clearing time of the gauntlet to be slowed down so it does not earn an insane amount of gold (yes, I am okay with this).

[Uchiha Madara]

Lmaooo. U calculating ezg with 1250gl but hedo with 800gl. Funnny xD

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[ForumJunkie]

Lmaooo. U calculating ezg with 1250gl but hedo with 800gl. Funnny xD

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To be exact, those are average runs between 850-1335gl for both the gauntlet and hedo portal with a decent party.

I am not sure what you found humorous in my post. You must be an easily jovial individual.

[Mrwoon]

Bruh you are saying in hedo u earn less but its nonsense. With good pt u earn more in hedo for sure or almost equal and it is not stressfull like Ezg. If u die in hedo nothing happens, if u die in Ezg u start from beginning. I don't understand your logic at all. Please don't get jealous and take your hate from Ezg players if you can't go high waves.

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[ForumJunkie]

Bruh you are saying in hedo u earn less but its nonsense.

Yes, I am absolutely positive that Hedo lair earns less compared to the gauntlet portal.

With good pt u earn more in hedo for sure or almost equal and it is not stressfull like Ezg.

Sounds like you are not even sure about that claim after you said 'for sure or almost equal' in the same sentence.

And the point of this post is not to find out which portal is more stressful than the other, the point of this post is that the gauntlet portal has a faster clearing time than Hedo to earn gold, and that needs to be fixed. There is NO denying that fact.

If u die in hedo nothing happens, if u die in Ezg u start from beginning.

This only happens if you do not have the teamwork, the gears, or the knowledge to run the gauntlet portal. As I said, that issue is easy to avoid if you have those requirements. The same could be applied to the Hedo lair.

I don't understand your logic at all. Please don't get jealous and take your hate from Ezg players if you can't go high waves.

No, it is I who don't understand your reasoning.

Please stop derailing the main topic of the original post. This is not about jealousy or any of that nonsense you mentioned. And please stop claiming/assuming stuff or making me feel a way that is not factual.

Learn to read and comprehend before you post something that is only based on emotion.

[FrankfurtHBF]

I support every word of this gentleman. constructive criticism, concise argumentation. [mention]ForumJunkie [/mention]

With good pt u earn more in hedo for sure or almost equal and it is not stressfull like Ezg. If u die in hedo nothing happens, if u die in Ezg u start from beginning. I don't understand your logic at all. Please don't get jealous and take your hate from Ezg players if you can't go high waves.

I don't see anything stressful in gauntlet, if you have at least two hands and are able to press the screen of your device. Take it easy amigo

[ForumJunkie]

I don't see anything stressful in gauntlet, if you have at least two hands and are able to press the screen of your device. Take it easy amigo

The perspective of MrWoon playing Gauntlet on Wave 6:

[recilencia123]

The perspective of MrWoon playing Gauntlet on Wave 6:

jajajaja wdf this man doesn't know how exactly must be, a little mistake in high wave and again wave 1, hedo is no hard to do, just wait his few seconds and hit zzZ


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[ForumJunkie]

jajajaja wdf this man doesn't know how exactly must be, a little mistake in high wave and again wave 1, hedo is no hard to do, just wait his few seconds and hit zzZ


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This is the problem. Why do you guys think Gauntlet is hard? Yes, it's hard to find and get a decent geared, and knowledgeable player to clear a room by themselves and finish off the boss so that it is more efficient to run the gauntlet map and earn faster gold, but once you bypass that issue it all becomes too easy to farm in Gauntlet (just like any other map).

Yes, there are more risks with Gauntlet than Hedo, but if you have an OP party who knows what they are doing, that risk becomes lower and easier to avoid. The LB board shows this result and is proven by OP parties.


And oh, I was meming with the GIF. You completely missed the point of that post.

Maybe because you used Google Translate like MrWoon when reading my post.

[Mrwoon]

XD that's why I can easily lb and u can't

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[ForumJunkie]

XD that's why I can easily lb and u can't

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Uh-oh. He pulled out the "I can easily lb and u can't" move. Whatever shall I do?

With that being said, you just proved my point that you cannot read and comprehend, and base your posts only on pure sentiments without any sense of validity.

[FrankfurtHBF]

weird flex lmao

[AgentStonoga]

1. Hedourah map is a normal one, you should wait for elite Hedourah.
2. Gauntlet requires good gears and on Hedo you can basically farm with any kraken set and h sabra/lege sabra aa.
3. Hedourah is legit 0IQ map with no strategy, it's basically on normal rahab/hydra level. Gauntlet requires more strategy (it's not a hard map, but you still have to know some things about it) and constant focus - 1 fail and you have to start from 0.
4. On gauntlet you need to find 2 other ppl from different classes, on hedo any class can play in any number. Sometimes it takes even hours to find someone good for pt (not to mention you basically need to know all good rogs/wars/mages discords to pm (spam) them when you want run).
5. If gaunt was that easy to everyone then I would run it with most wars/rogs, but unfortunately most of them are completely useless, despite trying to teach them how to run it - usually I don't run with them anymore.
6. If your waves (even high ones) are 20s or higher then probably no one who's good on gaunt would even want to run with you.
7. Gaunt is a map where good wars aren't discriminated by rogs and sorcs.

Btw, Hedo potential is actually higher - higher than elite rahab despite being normal map (and both of these maps have same mechanics - 3 phases of boss).

[ForumJunkie]

It appears so far that most people who have responded negatively to this post are the ones who only run the gauntlet portal.

So evidently, I would expect more of a disagreement with you folks, which is okay.

1. Hedourah map is a normal one, you should wait for elite Hedourah.

Yes, I should wait until Elite Hedourah has been released (a portal that has no timeline of it actually being added anytime soon) before doing anything about this problem.

Gauntlet requires good gears and on Hedo you can basically farm with any kraken set and h sabra/lege sabra aa.

So basically both maps require good gears for you to run smoothly. Something I've mentioned many times already above. Thank you for pointing that out.

Hedourah is legit 0IQ map with no strategy, it's basically on normal rahab/hydra level.

That's an interesting take. When was the last time you played normal rahab/hydra? Because it is nowhere near Hedourah level. Again, another misinformation or overexaggerated claim.

4. On gauntlet you need to find 2 other ppl from different classes, on hedo any class can play in any number. Sometimes it takes even hours to find someone good for pt (not to mention you basically need to know all good rogs/wars/mages discord to spam them when you want run).

I've mentioned that before above in my post that you need 1 of each class in order to play Gauntlet. And that's easy to find if you have the gears, the friends, and the knowledge to do so. Most OP players already have a set party to run the gauntlet portal. Only the casuals have difficulty finding a good party. I doubt you are a casual, no?

5. If gaunt was that easy to everyone then I would run it with most wars/rogs, but unfortunately most of them are completely useless, despite trying to teach them how to run it - usually I don't run with them anymore.

I am not saying it's not easy to run the Gauntlet portal. My point of the post is that it has a faster clearing time compared to Hedo with a good party, so that needs to be fixed since that's also the reason why they nerfed Hedo to begin with, okay? Read that again until you get what I am trying to say here.

Your standards of what is useful and useless are questionable. Based on observation and what people say, you are very arrogant and rude to interact with. And I believe them fully because I've witnessed it myself in lobbies and PMs from other individuals you've interacted with (albeit some of them are in a joking manner, but most are not). Just sayin'.

6. If your waves (even high ones) are 20s or higher then probably no one who's good on gaunt would even want to run with you.

I've formed a party (and run with them all the time) to run Gauntlet to reach higher waves. So it's not a problem for us. But that's not the point of my post.

This is:

If it's not possible to nerf the gold drops of the boss or miniboss in the gauntlet, maybe make the mobs or boss a bit tankier to slow down the runs in the gauntlet portal.

7. Gaunt is a map where good wars aren't discriminated by rogs and sorcs.

That is good to know. Gaunt is a map where it gave war class a sense of purpose again, and I would like to avoid it getting nerfed, but that's a separate issue and off the point of my original post.

Btw, Hedo potential is actually higher - higher than elite rahab despite being normal map (and both of these maps have same mechanics - 3 phases of boss).

I have compared multiple sample sizes with a decent party (all Kraken players with 2.9-3k+ primary) and farmed both Elite Rahab and Hedo portal, and with 1000% certainty, I can tell you that it is NOT the same.

For example: With the party I have, 1 hedo run (the time we've spent on that run) is equivalent to us doing 2 and a half runs of Elite Rahab. With the gauntlet portal, you can get 3-4 waves completed versus 1 Elite Rahab run.

Most casuals/pubs won't see these sort of speeds in randoms or parties; only OP players do.

Furthermore, you are actually wrong about Rahab and Hedo having the same mechanics. We've tested this. If you do not burst down a Hedo phase successfully, the boss teleports and disappears and creates more phases for you to beat (sometimes it's just all over the place). There are also other bugs (I think it's a bug) with the sorcerer mastery iceball that glitches the Hedo boss for skipping a phase and making it possible to 1 shot it (but you cannot since the devs implemented a force regen HP once you hit 0 HP if you do not go through all the phases).

Of course, you probably do not know this because you live in the Gauntlet portal 24/7. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Mrwoon]

It appears so far that most people who have responded negatively to this post are the ones who only run the gauntlet portal.

So evidently, I would expect more of a disagreement with you folks, which is okay.



Yes, I should wait until Elite Hedourah has been released (a portal that has no timeline of it actually being added anytime soon) before doing anything about this problem.



So basically both maps require good gears for you to run smoothly. Something I've mentioned many times already above. Thank you for pointing that out.



That's an interesting take. When was the last time you played normal rahab/hydra? Because it is nowhere near Hedourah level. Again, another misinformation or overexaggerated claim.



I've mentioned that before above in my post that you need 1 of each class in order to play Gauntlet. And that's easy to find if you have the gears, the friends, and the knowledge to do so. Most OP players already have a set party to run the gauntlet portal. Only the casuals have difficulty finding a good party. I doubt you are a casual, no?



I am not saying it's not easy to run the Gauntlet portal. My point of the post is that it has a faster clearing time compared to Hedo with a good party, so that needs to be fixed since that's also the reason why they nerfed Hedo to begin with, okay? Read that again until you get what I am trying to say here.

Your standards of what is useful and useless are questionable. Based on observation and what people say, you are very arrogant and rude to interact with. And I believe them fully because I've witnessed it myself in lobbies and PMs from other individuals you've interacted with (albeit some of them are in a joking manner, but most are not). Just sayin'.



I've formed a party (and run with them all the time) to run Gauntlet to reach higher waves. So it's not a problem for us. But that's not the point of my post.

This is:





That is good to know. Gaunt is a map where it gave war class a sense of purpose again, and I would like to avoid it getting nerfed, but that's a separate issue and off the point of my original post.



I have compared multiple sample sizes with a decent party (all Kraken players with 2.9-3k+ primary) and farmed both Elite Rahab and Hedo portal, and with 1000% certainty, I can tell you that it is NOT the same.

For example: With the party I have, 1 hedo run (the time we've spent on that run) is equivalent to us doing 2 and a half runs of Elite Rahab. With the gauntlet portal, you can get 3-4 waves completed versus 1 Elite Rahab run.

Most casuals/pubs won't see these sort of speeds in randoms or parties; only OP players do.

Furthermore, you are actually wrong about Rahab and Hedo having the same mechanics. We've tested this. If you do not burst down a Hedo phase successfully, the boss teleports and disappears and creates more phases for you to beat (sometimes it's just all over the place). There are also other bugs (I think it's a bug) with the sorcerer mastery iceball that glitches the Hedo boss for skipping a phase and making it possible to 1 shot it (but you cannot since the devs implemented a force regen HP once you hit 0 HP if you do not go through all the phases).

Lmao they are same if you can't pass the P1 Rahab what are u gonna do? nothing !same in random rahabs , Same in hedo. And hedo drops more gold than rahab they have same mechs you are just trying to make them nerf Ezg because u can't make money like people that run Ezg.

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[ForumJunkie]

Lmao they are same if you can't pass the P1 Rahab what are u gonna do? nothing !same in random rahabs , Same in hedo. And hedo drops more gold than rahab they have same mechs you are just trying to make them nerf Ezg because u can't make money like people that run Ezg.

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I can't help but imagine Pam from The Office or Sponge Bob meme when you posted this, but I digress.

Going back to the topic, I have concluded that responding to you will be a waste of energy and time. Again, I do not expect any positive input from a player who lives in Gauntlet 24/7 and runs nothing else but that map.

You've clearly overlooked the point of my post, and now you're just spouting insults and baseless claims that are not factual. Honestly, you sound like you are trying so hard to safeguard a map that you know is downright broken in terms of gold farming just because you farm your earnings there 24/7 and is now being threatened of being nerfed. ;D

I have more spine coming out and telling the public what the truth is because I care about the game and I am not greedy. For those who do not know, you can easily farm 100m+ in gauntlet far easier than the rest of the gold farming maps (usually takes longer). To be exact, I can farm 140-160m there per gauntlet cycle [(11-13 hours to be exact) that's not even the full cycle]. So no, gold is not an issue for me.

I've said these multiple times above and presented them clearly. Yes, hedo drops more gold per run, but 1 run of Hedo takes longer to do than completing multiple waves of the gauntlet (this concept also applies to Rahab). I do not know why you have a difficult time comprehending this, MrWoon.

But let me express this again, I don't expect you to understand or open your mind since you live in the Gauntlet 24/7 as well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love how you're passionate about this though. Maybe it's because the gauntlet portal is closed at the moment (in the making of this post) that's why you have the time and energy to respond to me.

[recilencia123]

I can't help but imagine Pam from The Office or Sponge Bob meme when you posted this, but I digress.

Going back to the topic, I have concluded that responding to you will be a waste of energy and time. Again, I do not expect any positive input from a player who lives in Gauntlet 24/7 and runs nothing else but that map.

You've clearly overlooked the point of my post, and now you're just spouting insults and baseless claims that are not factual. Honestly, you sound like you are trying so hard to safeguard a map that you know is downright broken in terms of gold farming just because you farm your earnings there 24/7 and is now being threatened of being nerfed. ;D

I have more spine coming out and telling the public what the truth is because I care about the game and I am not greedy. For those who do not know, you can easily farm 100m+ in gauntlet far easier than the rest of the gold farming maps (usually takes longer). To be exact, I can farm 140-160m there per gauntlet cycle [(11-13 hours to be exact) that's not even the full cycle]. So no, gold is not an issue for me.

I've said these multiple times above and presented them clearly. Yes, hedo drops more gold per run, but 1 run of Hedo takes longer to do than completing multiple waves of the gauntlet (this concept also applies to Rahab). I do not know why you have a difficult time comprehending this, MrWoon.

But let me express this again, I don't expect you to understand or open your mind since you live in the Gauntlet 24/7 as well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love how you're passionate about this though. Maybe it's because the gauntlet portal is closed at the moment (in the making of this post) that's why you have the time and energy to respond to me.

140-160m? what a fake info like play 13 hours wdf we are humans, we need to sleep, to eat, to work, to do homeworks c mon be smart if u calculate something with real life


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[AgentStonoga]

It appears so far that most people who have responded negatively to this post are the ones who only run the gauntlet portal.

So evidently, I would expect more of a disagreement with you folks, which is okay.



Yes, I should wait until Elite Hedourah has been released (a portal that has no timeline of it actually being added anytime soon) before doing anything about this problem.



So basically both maps require good gears for you to run smoothly. Something I've mentioned many times already above. Thank you for pointing that out.



That's an interesting take. When was the last time you played normal rahab/hydra? Because it is nowhere near Hedourah level. Again, another misinformation or overexaggerated claim.



I've mentioned that before above in my post that you need 1 of each class in order to play Gauntlet. And that's easy to find if you have the gears, the friends, and the knowledge to do so. Most OP players already have a set party to run the gauntlet portal. Only the casuals have difficulty finding a good party. I doubt you are a casual, no?



I am not saying it's not easy to run the Gauntlet portal. My point of the post is that it has a faster clearing time compared to Hedo with a good party, so that needs to be fixed since that's also the reason why they nerfed Hedo to begin with, okay? Read that again until you get what I am trying to say here.

Your standards of what is useful and useless are questionable. Based on observation and what people say, you are very arrogant and rude to interact with. And I believe them fully because I've witnessed it myself in lobbies and PMs from other individuals you've interacted with (albeit some of them are in a joking manner, but most are not). Just sayin'.



I've formed a party (and run with them all the time) to run Gauntlet to reach higher waves. So it's not a problem for us. But that's not the point of my post.

This is:





That is good to know. Gaunt is a map where it gave war class a sense of purpose again, and I would like to avoid it getting nerfed, but that's a separate issue and off the point of my original post.



I have compared multiple sample sizes with a decent party (all Kraken players with 2.9-3k+ primary) and farmed both Elite Rahab and Hedo portal, and with 1000% certainty, I can tell you that it is NOT the same.

For example: With the party I have, 1 hedo run (the time we've spent on that run) is equivalent to us doing 2 and a half runs of Elite Rahab. With the gauntlet portal, you can get 3-4 waves completed versus 1 Elite Rahab run.

Most casuals/pubs won't see these sort of speeds in randoms or parties; only OP players do.

Furthermore, you are actually wrong about Rahab and Hedo having the same mechanics. We've tested this. If you do not burst down a Hedo phase successfully, the boss teleports and disappears and creates more phases for you to beat (sometimes it's just all over the place). There are also other bugs (I think it's a bug) with the sorcerer mastery iceball that glitches the Hedo boss for skipping a phase and making it possible to 1 shot it (but you cannot since the devs implemented a force regen HP once you hit 0 HP if you do not go through all the phases).

Of course, you probably do not know this because you live in the Gauntlet portal 24/7. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Doing something about this problem - the only thing you can do is to wait until devs will finally release elite maps, you're not the only one who wants to try them. We had to wait with normal and elite zodias maps/portals too.
Good gears - no, kraken gear alone ISN'T a good gear. You need good awaks for gaunt too, for hedo you don't need good awaks if you can just wait a while till you proc your weapon.
0IQ map - yeah, whole hedourah strategy is to stay at 1 place (and it's not a left side of map as many people are running, there's a better spot, me and my friends found better spots) and instaproc (and use pet aa) if you have op gear or wait a while and proc if you have mid gear - definitely much harder mechanic than normal raha or hydra (and I'm talking about how much braincells these maps require, not what kind of gear you need).
Gaubt pt - if finding pt was always that easy then I wouldn't spend a lot of time spamming in gaunt (I basically do that every portal) that I look for someone to pt (mostly wars). I even had to pm some random (to me at that time) people running raha (or staying at expedition camp) to convince them to start running gauntlet and teaching them from 0. Despite knowing most of good wars and rogs, they're not always online when I want to run - and I'm not the only person who's complaining that many good wars/rogs are actually offline and can't enter to farm now. Well, rogs are probably in the worst situation, cause the number of rogs who can actually run gauntlet is higher than number of wars and (especially) mages who can run gaunt.
Gaunt has faster clearing time than hedo, but also grants less gold per 1 clear (despite getting more gold in total).
"I don't see anything stressful in gauntlet, if you have at least two hands and are able to press the screen of your device. Take it easy amigo" - you basically liked that comment and mocked other gauntlet runner in your next comment.
My (and other good runners) standards are the ones which makes running gauntlet comfortable. Dying to mobs cause someone missed em !or war didnt kill them before rog and sorc came top) or to a dragon 1tap at 21s are pretty annoying things.
Rude and arrogant - well, most of the times I'm joking with others.
Formed party and run high waves - if that was true, I would see you in LB.
Buff mobs/boss hp - current gaunt mechanics doesn't allow devs to buff mobs/boss hp. Waves (without count) cant be longer than 21s, cause of dragon 1tap attack) if we want to keep gaunt as a gold farm map.
I ran all of these 3 maps and I know mechanics for all of these 3 maps lol (I laughed when I seen u wrote that I run only gaunt, completely not knowing that I was running raha all the time back then and that I'm running hedo when gaunt is closed).
1 hedo run with chests and remap with good party is actually about 50s (i think that 45s would be possible with very op party). That would mean that 1 raha run with chests and remaps is 20s - which it isn't - even gauntlet isn't that fast. Didn't run raha for a bit, but I'm pretty sure that total raha run with chests and remap is closer to 40s than 20s. Completing 1 gauntlet wave (18s one) takes 25 or 26s in total with waiting for next wave - so it's not 3-4 times faster than elite rahab.
By saying same mechanics I meant that both bosses have 3 phases (ignoring mini on raha) - should write just mechanic, whatever.
Oh yes, hedo can punish you with his mechanics when you fail your phase (same as raha), but if you actually have at least 2k stat and can wait a while (or no need to wait if you have good gear) - you'll rarely fsil that map.
Gaunt portal 24/7 - funny thing that actually strategy for current maps is usually found first by me and people around me (or only them, for example, I actually started farming at the moment when raha strategy was actually discovered, whole point is that they still prefer to farm gaunt if all of the maps are opened at once).
If you get less gold in hedo than elite raha it means that either you or your pt have mid gear (hedo has better POTENTIAL) or you just can't run hedo properly.