Why no more combo pets?

[Ploid]

That was some unique gameplay!

Sorry to say there are no plans for continued investment in the sort of AA combo matrix that the Tri Force pets provide.

When they were released the AA combo matrix was actually very good. Unfortunately to reap the benefits of these powers your party requires strong communication and coordination. Given that random/ PUGs are the standard in AL we discovered that the powerful "coordinated combo" route is undesirable and thus future expansion on this concept is doomed :-/

Best wishes!

Co-ordinating pet is very important actually and this is what everyone does in parties. AL is mainly played in parties so people can avoid mythic set users because you guys made mythic irrelevant. Might as well be naked, it won't make much difference without Kraken proc.

Anyhow, if you guys actually made a strong combo of pets, most players would love it. The reason the tri-force pet actually failed was due to lack in power.

If you guys made a combo that granted 100 ED + BD + 100% damage for example, it would actually make everyone want to combo their pets together.

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[Necl]

Co-ordinating pet is very important actually and this is what everyone does in parties. AL is mainly played in parties so people can avoid mythic set users because you guys made mythic irrelevant. Might as well be naked, it won't make much difference without Kraken proc.

Anyhow, if you guys actually made a strong combo of pets, most players would love it. The reason the tri-force pet actually failed was due to lack in power.

If you guys made a combo that granted 100 ED + BD + 100% damage for example, it would actually make everyone want to combo their pets together.

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Surely +1
But we shouldnt waste time writing for co irdinate, maybe like emotes whe May have a buttom to give a signal or a short phrases

[Cinco]

Co-ordinating pet is very important actually and this is what everyone does in parties. AL is mainly played in parties so people can avoid mythic set users because you guys made mythic irrelevant. Might as well be naked, it won't make much difference without Kraken proc.

Anyhow, if you guys actually made a strong combo of pets, most players would love it. The reason the tri-force pet actually failed was due to lack in power.

If you guys made a combo that granted 100 ED + BD + 100% damage for example, it would actually make everyone want to combo their pets together.

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I wish I could agree but I can’t: at the time the Tri Force pet combos were patently OP. They aren’t now but they were back then.

Doing the work to make a new OP combo pet matrix sounds like a big waste of time - unless there’s been some major cultural shift where players have decided that planning, coordination and communication are worthwhile.

Has that happened?

I’d be delighted to hear “yes.” :-)


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[Stephencobear]

Co-ordinating pet is very important actually and this is what everyone does in parties. AL is mainly played in parties so people can avoid mythic set users because you guys made mythic irrelevant. Might as well be naked, it won't make much difference without Kraken proc.

Anyhow, if you guys actually made a strong combo of pets, most players would love it. The reason the tri-force pet actually failed was due to lack in power.

If you guys made a combo that granted 100 ED + BD + 100% damage for example, it would actually make everyone want to combo their pets together.

I wish I could agree but I can’t: at the time the Tri Force pet combos were patently OP. They aren’t now but they were back then.

Doing the work to make a new OP combo pet matrix sounds like a big waste of time - unless there’s been some major cultural shift where players have decided that planning, coordination and communication are worthwhile.

Has that happened?

I’d be delighted to hear “yes.” :-)

I have to disagree with both you about why tri force failed as someone who tried to use them back then
I got all 3 of them so I could try to use the correct pet if I ever saw anyone with another one

They didn’t fail because of power, or lack of player coordination and communication, they failed because of the mechanics

If you wanted to use them to the greatest effect you would want to collect the largest group of mobs for the combo
Problem is when you have a large group of mobs pets will focus on mobs they first encounter which will inevitably end up being ones on the outside of where you want their AA to be

You can’t coordinate the pets, you can’t stop them from attacking undesirable mobs, you can’t place them ideally

Yes you can try to run to the ideal spot to pull the pets into position but by the time you do that most of the mob was dead

That was before proc stack meta, & I don’t think we had the pet options for loot or combat, so pets sometimes are attacking barrels
Even if I’m wrong on that last sentence, I’d defend the idea that combo pets failed because of pet mechanics

[Trolzerkeinstein]

I wish I could agree but I can’t: at the time the Tri Force pet combos were patently OP. They aren’t now but they were back then.

Doing the work to make a new OP combo pet matrix sounds like a big waste of time - unless there’s been some major cultural shift where players have decided that planning, coordination and communication are worthwhile.

Has that happened?

I’d be delighted to hear “yes.” :-)


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Casual/pubby lobbies, no. However, parties or made groups are usually prepared, coordinated, and have exceptional communication (also, most of these groups/parties are well-geared).

To be fair, you can get teamwork in casual/public lobbies, but that's only if you join with veterans who know how the mechanics work.

[Ploid]

I wish I could agree but I can’t: at the time the Tri Force pet combos were patently OP. They aren’t now but they were back then.

Doing the work to make a new OP combo pet matrix sounds like a big waste of time - unless there’s been some major cultural shift where players have decided that planning, coordination and communication are worthwhile.

Has that happened?

I’d be delighted to hear “yes.” :-)


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I have to disagree. In a party, players are often told to not use the same AA as they don't stack. This is a clear indication of coordination.

In a party, everyone uses different AAs to maximize their DPS. This is basically what the tri-force combo was meant to be except combine the effects and amplify to make an even stronger effect.

Also back then, except planar Arena, there were basically no maps where only boss fights occurred. In a long run on average map (KT4 for example), it's pointless to coordinate pets even in an organized party.

But with elite portal bosses we have today, I can see the potential of pets synergy.

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[Stephencobear]

I have to disagree. In a party, players are often told to not use the same AA as they don't stack. This is a clear indication of coordination.

So if everyone was coordinating as Cinco says wasn’t happening, and - this combo effect was powerful as he says:
Why did this combo fail?

Which is wrong?

[Ploid]

So if everyone was coordinating as Cinco says wasn’t happening, and - this combo effect was powerful as he says:
Why did this combo fail?

Which is wrong?

The combo came when people ran "normal" dungeon maps like KM3 for example, no strategy was required back then except "kill mobs, kill boss", I think Planar Arena was the only place where you would have boss fights.

If I recall correctly, you could easily kill Planar Arena bosses without help from pets even at level 41 cap. The demand wasn't there during those times.

Also, I tried using the combo when these pets dropped after Eggzavier back then, they felt awful to use even in Planar Arena. No damage, no nothing, combo felt non-existant.

A good pet combo that gave OP stats would be amazing in portal maps like EVG, E Rahab, E Ekenta, E Mecha, Hedourah.

In short, the combo wasn't necessary back then.



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[Heiankyoto30]

I wish I could agree but I can’t: at the time the Tri Force pet combos were patently OP. They aren’t now but they were back then.

Doing the work to make a new OP combo pet matrix sounds like a big waste of time - unless there’s been some major cultural shift where players have decided that planning, coordination and communication are worthwhile.

Has that happened?

I’d be delighted to hear “yes.” :-)


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Yes for me, Sire.

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