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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccits:851724
    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIsThis View Post
    Exactly. This game faces the exact same challenges.

    There are reasons why I avoid games like League of Legends. The communities there are pretty hostile and beating down on new players is the norm.


    WoW, I've become an active player of, but that's because although the majority of the player base is not that great, there are good players out there. I can tell by their mentality.



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    They always want to improve. It's relentless. Win, lose, kill, death - there's a constant all consuming desire to play their class better, to be more efficient.

    If you told them, you are under-performing, they are not going to get all defensive, saying things like "it's just a game" or "my gear sucks", they're going to ask you how you think they should improve. And if you tell somebody that, you'd better come well researched about how to play that class, how fight that boss, what their combat rotation should be, what the average dps on the build and class are, optimal group composition for that fight, and so on.

    People will improve on their own initiative. If a player sees somebody of the same class with comparable gear, outperforming them consistently, they will examine that player's tactics, ask for tips, and look at the combat logs for improvement.

    Relatively little drama when there are deaths, losses, etc. In the case of raiding, it's about how to do better the next attempt and to prevent the mistakes from happening again.

    Competitive - there is a desire to always be the top dps, the best healer, tank, etc. In many cases, people's sense of self-worth is based on their performance.

    There is also an understanding that kills or gear won't be handed to them. Boss kills in WoW sometimes take weeks, and hundreds of hours of practice. The mechanics are often unforgiving - if a single person hits a wrong button at the wrong time or in the wrong place at the wrong time, he/she has just wiped a 10 or 25 man raid.

    When it's raid time, everyone shows up ready to do their best. Under-performing players are identified, called out, and if they do not improve within a given amount of time (usually 2 weeks), are replaced.




    It's the type of community I'd like to see.

    The big barrier I think is that the official message has always been, it's a casual game, playable on phone, computer, tablet, and probably someday console. It doesn't attract that kind of player.
    hehe, nice to see there are some WoW players wich also plays PL i can just repeat that what u say.
    raiding in WoW is very very hard, if just 1 messing up all wipes in a few sec.
    yesterday had a 3h mogushan Elegon raid. ya we just tryed 1 boss the whole evening. the players i played with was veterans and fn pros. i was the noob XD but they was really nice to taking me with them to make that challenge. at last try we beat him LOL. so u have an idea how hard it is... (btw. it was normal mode not heroic XD) my guild cant even beat the first boss of mogushan even after 2 weeks of endless trys...
    theres so much strategie and organisation and log analisation needed...kinda love it.
    everyone has to prepare hisself for a raid, studying bosses and spec his char, buying flaks etc. i also love the character customisation, its so much free space. so much choices for adaption.
    btw. all is coordinatet by team speak, thers no time to chat the raidleader coordinates the team.
    ya if someone is always messing up further or sooner he will be replaced... theres no choice if u wanna go on in raiding..
    in PL the step from noob to pro is kinda small, with elixiers its almost like no step. in WoW the difference from noob to pro is imens large. u can always getting better, thers no limit.

    for pvp u cant use the pve equip, u need to farm pvp equip, that has a special stat. so pvper doesnt even need to pve, can earn everything by pvping (WhoIsThis correct me plz if iam wrong in this

    going to much off topic here i think^^
    Impressive wall of text. I played WOW on and off for seven years, but my friends quit and the rest of my guild only took their friends and family on most of the raids. I tried other guilds, but they were the same, so I quit and have played many other games since. AL, so far is very entertaining and I think STS finally got it right, AL really is an mmorpg, not just a grind, or paper dolls to dress up like the other games (excluding PL, I like PL, but it is too daunting to play from the beginning).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccits View Post
    hehe, nice to see there are some WoW players wich also plays PL i can just repeat that what u say.
    raiding in WoW is very very hard, if just 1 messing up all wipes in a few sec.
    yesterday had a 3h mogushan Elegon raid. ya we just tryed 1 boss the whole evening. the players i played with was veterans and fn pros. i was the noob XD but they was really nice to taking me with them to make that challenge. at last try we beat him LOL. so u have an idea how hard it is... (btw. it was normal mode not heroic XD) my guild cant even beat the first boss of mogushan even after 2 weeks of endless trys...
    theres so much strategie and organisation and log analisation needed...kinda love it.
    everyone has to prepare hisself for a raid, studying bosses and spec his char, buying flaks etc. i also love the character customisation, its so much free space. so much choices for adaption.
    btw. all is coordinatet by team speak, thers no time to chat the raidleader coordinates the team.
    ya if someone is always messing up further or sooner he will be replaced... theres no choice if u wanna go on in raiding..
    in PL the step from noob to pro is kinda small, with elixiers its almost like no step. in WoW the difference from noob to pro is imens large. u can always getting better, thers no limit.

    for pvp u cant use the pve equip, u need to farm pvp equip, that has a special stat. so pvper doesnt even need to pve, can earn everything by pvping (WhoIsThis correct me plz if iam wrong in this

    going to much off topic here i think^^

    Elegon, I was trialing for a hardcore guild for my first week of MSV raiding. Let me put it this way, tanking elegon in 465 gear is quite hard. My trial didn't work out; joined a new guild after that. I would have preferred something more hardcore.

    Imo, if you have 465 gear, it's tough. If the average raid ilevel is 470, it's very doable; my first kill was 3 healed. Before the vengeance nerf, I managed to pull 78k dps on Elegon as a tank.

    Strictly from a tanking perspective, it's actually not bad.

    1. Pull boss
    2. Cd for celestial breath
    3. Pick up add
    4. Cd when add is exploding & reset stacks
    5. Dps boss
    6. Burn orbs; need 4 stacks (5-6 on HM)
    7. Pick up adds
    8. Freeze adds (cd likely required)
    9. Aoe adds; other tank gets boss
    10. Rinse & repeat
    11. Hero burn during last phase

    I don't know what things are like on your server, but on ours, pugs right now can pug up to 4/6 MSV.

    PvP does have it's own gear with PvP Power and resilience. I don't PvP right now; not enough time. Perhaps I should to get CP capped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIsThis View Post
    Elegon, I was trialing for a hardcore guild for my first week of MSV raiding. Let me put it this way, tanking elegon in 465 gear is quite hard. My trial didn't work out; joined a new guild after that. I would have preferred something more hardcore.

    Imo, if you have 465 gear, it's tough. If the average raid ilevel is 470, it's very doable; my first kill was 3 healed. Before the vengeance nerf, I managed to pull 78k dps on Elegon as a tank.

    Strictly from a tanking perspective, it's actually not bad.

    1. Pull boss
    2. Cd for celestial breath
    3. Pick up add
    4. Cd when add is exploding & reset stacks
    5. Dps boss
    6. Burn orbs; need 4 stacks (5-6 on HM)
    7. Pick up adds
    8. Freeze adds (cd likely required)
    9. Aoe adds; other tank gets boss
    10. Rinse & repeat
    11. Hero burn during last phase

    I don't know what things are like on your server, but on ours, pugs right now can pug up to 4/6 MSV.

    PvP does have it's own gear with PvP Power and resilience. I don't PvP right now; not enough time. Perhaps I should to get CP capped.
    we all had like 475-480 equip, cant immagine to do with 465.... iam playing moonkin druid, my dmg is kinda low, but iam not sure how much iam doing wrong. my dps was around 60-65k. thats too low for that boss. 70k+ avergae should be reached. which class/spec u play?
    we could manage 4 stacks orbs also. main problem was the little adds wich did huge dmg on tanks wich mostly died, or some other died in that stage. only later we figured to freeze some of them and kill the others while. if someone dies, its over...
    on last try elegon activated berserker, all died appart the tank wich did the last 7m dmg XD
    some dps more from me and it would been much easier....sigh...
    4/6 in mogu with pugs is immaginable on our server..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccits View Post
    we all had like 475-480 equip, cant immagine to do with 465.... iam playing moonkin druid, my dmg is kinda low, but iam not sure how much iam doing wrong. my dps was around 60-65k. thats too low for that boss. 70k+ avergae should be reached. which class/spec u play?
    we could manage 4 stacks orbs also. main problem was the little adds wich did huge dmg on tanks wich mostly died, or some other died in that stage. only later we figured to freeze some of them and kill the others while. if someone dies, its over...
    on last try elegon activated berserker, all died appart the tank wich did the last 7m dmg XD
    some dps more from me and it would been much easier....sigh...
    4/6 in mogu with pugs is immaginable on our server..
    I'm a tank so things are different.

    It's killable in 465 gear, just very tough and your dps must be top tier. You need 5 stacks in 465; someone said that it might be doable in 460 gear, but only with perfect group comp.

    4/6 is imaginable? Idk, but we just pugged a 6/6N tonight. Very clean run. 90 minutes, no wipes, though a few deaths here and there. Mostly guild run though, a total pug downing Elegon, it should happen within the next week or so. I mean, by now most players have 470+ gear on our server that are serious about raiding, and in many cases, are in their 480s.

    Imo, normal mode with a good pug is easier than LFR, so long as the quality of player is up to par.




    Vengeance right now totally dictates tank dps. Sometimes it sucks, especially clearing HoF Garalon. Sometimes though ...

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    220k - and that is sustained dps without hero on, not blow all your cds on hero crazy burst.




    Speaking about that, it's interesting to note that WoW suffers from the very same flaws. Lots of bad players who if they spent like 20 minutes on a website like Icy Veins could see vast improvements.
    Last edited by WhoIsThis; 11-15-2012 at 12:50 AM.

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