Thread: Future of DL Lb's....
Future of DL Lb's....
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...coring-Changes
Is this going to happen in dl as well ? Cinco mentioned the long term problems and he explained it perfectly.My opinion is it should be implemented in DL as well. (i know other players might dislike the idea just like they did in AL but despite that it happened in AL, so why not dl)
new vanities can come via vendors for tokens/platinums / daily deals or as rare drop from boss etc.
Last edited by Anoonymoous; 06-13-2025 at 02:25 PM.
How many times have you been in the top 25 or top 10 that you want something like this? There is nothing more ridiculous than a player who has never played an event in his life wanting this. This was done by looking at the criticisms of Arcane Legends. I see that you love it very much. I recommend you to play Arcane Legends.
Yes i like all sts games & feel free to remind me if this suggestion boards is for lb players only ?Originally Posted by Tlo
I don't think so it is, anyone can create the suggestion which is good for game as a whole. I agree with all problems cinco mentioned and understand his point of view.
People always complain pay to win is not good for the game, sometimes even oppose the idea for bringing all items for daily deals.
The same way i see play to win- Why some players should be guranteed the loot they get just because they are online and playing 2 weeks straight ?
Most of the players in game avoid participating in leaderboards when they see players constantly getting points to get up in lb, they don't bother running for it because the points are already high and keeps increasing.
Top tier rewards/vanities should come as rare drop in events farming as a surprise. So that everyone will have to make runs and noone will have any idea who drops what/when, It creates the balance in game.
You can either spend 2 weeks and get no drop at all or you can drop the rare vanity in 2 days. That's what makes it surprisingly fun.
You can still compete in lb's for rare title and badge. I am not going to argue each of the player who dislike the idea, you can state your opinion and hope for the best.
Also just note: Several players disliked and argued the idea in AL thread & Most of them also got banned/muted who attacked the devs or the people who supported their idea.
Most of them failed to give valid reasoning that's why they did such thing. So i prefer peaceful discussion and mention your opinion. Why you think it is good or bad for the game.It is upto devs in the end.
You misunderstood the subject. In Arcane Legends, leaderboard items will be character friendly. You want the same thing to happen here. This will cause some players who already win to win even more.
Cinco mentioned rewards in leaderboards will be - Title, badge & banner only for which players compete. Those rewards will be bound but stash friendly. Basically means untradeble but you can wear on any character you have.
And old/new vanities in game will be available via either Daily deals/Event vendors(for event tokens or platinums)/Rare drops in event or locked crates.
It is that simple. We had the old lb system for years, maybe it's time to adapt the new system and see how it goes...
The way i see it, it benefits all players whether lb players or the random players.
Because in current lb, you have to compete to get top 10 and you only get 1 of each reward.
In the new drop/changed lb system, who knows you can drop reward more then 2-3 times ?
And the people who had no time to play events due to job and real life responsiblities, might play event and give it a try, because you don't have to madly play continous for 2 weeks, who knows they drop vanities/auras in 2 days farming.
In current lb system, most dont bother participating because when they login in their free time, they see the score is already above 500k-1million. They don't bother playing
More banners ! Not only LB , plat , gold etc i like to collect it @futumsh ( yeah my statement xD )
Banners should be added more, yes. However, it is an impossible subject to discuss that LB items are bound to the character. Just like helix. It affects the game badly and breaks all the rules. So items simply cannot be bound to the character. In Dark Legends.
Hmmmmm it's not wise to add it because the vanity or weapon we can get is what keeps us going. The drop rate in game is already bad when it comes to the people been farming 2 weeks and still didn't get anything. There is no guarantee someone will drop multiple times even if they farm continuously because if you pay attention the drop rate isn't about how much time and effort you exerted, it's about luck and that luck is very random. I'm talking about being literally lucky. Even those who just suddenly farmed immediately dropped it. So it won't benefit everyone, because then lb players won't receive any vanities or weapons as rewards anymore and since the drop rate is very random. Who knows if they will drop anything at all. You said it yourself, "why some players should be guranteed the loot they get just because they are online and playing 2 weeks straight?".
Let me quote this too "You can either spend 2 weeks and get no drop at all or you can drop the rare vanity in 2 days. That's what makes it surprisingly fun." ~ this is not fun, because what you're saying is we can drop randomly again...if we are lucky. What fun is grinding for leaderboard and be rewarded an item that you can keep or sell. The loot is just a bonus for people running lbs. And what you said "Because in current lb, you have to compete to get top 10 and you only get 1 of each reward." ~ I'm sensing greediness by reading this, I haven't seen any leaderboard players asking to get more than 1 of each rewards they getting. The leaderboard rewards shouldn't be even part of the loot in the first place for some events, because that will makes it more exciting and something worth to grind for.
Leaderboard has always been very competitive so your statement about they don't bother playing after seeing the score and gap between the scores doesn't even make sense. Do you expect someone to sit back and relax, drink champagne and wait for their rivals to catch up? It's their choice that they gave up and don't blame it to people who make time to keep going, we all have our real life matters to tend to. They don't bother playing because they don't want to and choose not to so whatever their actions is it's their choice and no one made them do that. Let's not get confuse between the words being competitive or being fair from being lazy, being greedy or being a crybaby to say it at least. And yet I don't think this is the reason why they making those changes, it's not even entirely relevant to the issues they're addressing.
Last edited by Eternalflamee; 06-08-2025 at 07:07 PM.
Drop rates can be increased a bit more and i recently seen people dropping new rainbow badge in 2 days within playing pride event. And some people are still farming didn't get any.
Just because you are rich in real you're not allowed to buy everything for money.
The same way just because you spend 2 weeks straight in game and have more free time compared to others, you shouldn't be allowed a guranteed loot.
In arcane legends :- People spend thousands of usd to buy locked crates, sometimes they get the items from crates, sometimes they doesn't.
But they still buy and try their luck.
The same way players should farm bosses, maps for new or old content. It should depends on your luck and should be random.
You shouldn't be guranteed drops just because you can stay online 2 weeks day/night.
Also the drop you get is also tradeble like lb. You can still compete for new titles, badges and banners in LB. So LB is still going to be there.
In my eyes: the current lb players who dislike the idea is greedy, because they want guranteed drops if they stay online 2 weeks which isn't fair imo.
Imagine if you buy a locked crate in AL and ask for guranteed loot each time you open just because you can spend alot of money doesn't mean you can get guranteed loot.
I'm mentioning this stuff because Time is Money. You aren't allowed a guranteed loot if you spend money then why you should be allowed a guranted Top tier lb reward just because you can play 2 weeks straight.
I'm not focusing about loots because I already mentioned the drop rate is random, so given that sign, it's common sense even to leaderboard players, they know there is no guarantee. I'm talking about leaderboard items as rewards that going to be removed. "In my eyes: the current lb players who dislike the idea is greedy, because they want guranteed drops if they stay online 2 weeks which isn't fair imo." ~ who said anything about them wanting drops just because they're in top? I was talking about to retain items as leaderboard rewards, as I've specifically stated.
I think please stop comparing AL crates to DL, because first off we don't have those and there's a lot of example you can bring in without bringing AL related stuff. Because you keep explaining about what's happening in AL and you're trying to fix something that wasn't even here in DL. Like all the leaderboard rewards for titles, badges and banners, in DL they never been made tradeable. And yet you still keep talking about as if they're tradeable and as if we got the same problem like in AL, the only tradeable we been receiving from DL as leaderboard rewards are the items.
Crates or without crates, for short you're talking about people investing in platinum and complaining here on forums as why they haven't drop anything yet after buying a lot plat related items like the forest frenzy platinum elixir kit. Just like what happened during forest frenzy event, complaining about purchasing dozens of plat elixirs and didn't drop anything, even though the elixir didn't mention anything about increasing our drop rate. Without AL crates being dragged on my explanation, it only means that players are so eager to buy those items because they think it will increase their chance of dropping those items. Sometimes best way to deal with this is being clear to the players. Letting them know purchasing any of those items will not give you a guarantee loot. Although it already stated there that it won't really guarantee anything, some people cannot seem to understand or too lazy to read.
"I'm mentioning this stuff because Time is Money. You aren't allowed a guranteed loot if you spend money then why you should be allowed a guranted Top tier lb reward just because you can play 2 weeks straight." ~ I'm sorry what is this? This doesn't make sense, like literally. You're telling me all those people who exerted their time shouldn't allow a guarantee leaderboard rewards? After 2 weeks of playing and competing you're gonna drop the ball and tell them they don't deserve any top leaderboard rewards? LOL you seriously have problems with people who can manage to be on top and this is getting more personal. The suggestion itself wasn't thinking about anyone's benefits, it's taking way the things leaderboard players can get just because someone failed to compete for it. Best to suggest to not give any rewards for top lbs since that's where you going, based on your statement. Isn't it sound funny.
Since when time is the same as money. You cannot bring back the time you spend, however you can bring back all those money you spend. Time is more valuable than money, you can get more money but you cannot get more time. That last sentence is a famous quote btw.
Ok first thing first, don't get upset when i mention AL in DL threads because you might find a same vanity exist in multiple sts games under different names.
Like gold bar existed in AL before dl, but they added the same thing here in dl on players request. Charybdis pet from dl is similar to magical might aura in al.
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...t=Magical+aura
Can find magical might aura in thread ^
And look into star legends thread the ranger vanity set is black tactical version of DL vanity.
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...esterday-s-War
So all sts games have similar looking vanities under different names.
Second, they might add more event crates in future of dl which can be bought by game event tokens or platinums and they might have a chance to drop vanity.
Third, i don't see why it is a big deal ? LB players still have chance to compete in LB for Title/badges/banners. Why is it a big deal if the old or new vanities is given to players via Random game drops, daily deals ,vendors , crates etc.
"We strongly believe that making event LB's about competition with simple and predictable rewards is the best thing."
I agree with what cinco said.
Fourth, Yes i don't like the current lb system because the game is currently offering rare badges, title , banner, vanities, pets to players who are just being online 2 weeks straight with their best equipment and vanities.
Changing the current lb system and adding vanities/aura/pets as random drops will also help new players who can't afford elixirs, best equipment or vanity sets with buff which are sold for billions.
New players get chance to drop the good looking vanity via playing event by killing bosses, they shouldn't be supposed to know when are they going to drop. It could be 2 days or 2 weeks. Play the game and find out.
Also you seem quiet upset because i support cinco idea, you dislike the idea because you want the game to stay as it is and support a handful number of players who can stay online 2 weeks, and they want all top tier rewards handed over to them for being top 10.
Yes time is worth more then money and you're getting a guranteed Rare title, badge, banner for your precious time but not guranteed vanities. The only change is you get them vanities as rare drop not a guranteed drop. Your lb points will only get you title, banner, badge. They won't gurantee the vanities drop.
You can keep arguing but "Change is Inevitable", it's better to adapt the upcoming changes and see how it goes.
https://youtu.be/y6NxWID2r6E?feature=shared
"We're still going to put the same effort into creating vanity sets, wisps, auras, vanity weapons and the like. These items will be in loot, in token vendors, awarded for Tiers, for direct sale and in crates. We just won't be doing LB specific sets"
-Cinco
I'm just stating my opinion, no one is upset here. To be clear I wasn't talking about similarities. You can have all day, listing all the items we have that came from other sts games, I still don't see the relevance. You keep jumping to one topic to another. When I'm specifically stating my concerns about removing items such as vanities/gems/weapons as part of leaderboard rewards.
"Third, i don't see why it is a big deal ? LB players still have chance to compete in LB for Title/badges/banners. Why is it a big deal if the old or new vanities is given to players via Random game drops, daily deals ,vendors , crates etc." ~ did you really read what I said? I'm pointing out leaderboard items, how come now you're talking about something else like old or new vanities being given in different types of way. No one's even talking about this.
"Changing the current lb system and adding vanities/aura/pets as random drops will also help new players who can't afford elixirs, best equipment or vanity sets with buff which are sold for billions. New players get chance to drop the good looking vanity via playing event by killing bosses, they shouldn't be supposed to know when are they going to drop. It could be 2 days or 2 weeks. Play the game and find out." ~ again, I'm talking about leaderboard items not even this one. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend what I'm pointing out? Your arguments wasn't even close to my concerns.
"Also you seem quiet upset because i support cinco idea, you dislike the idea because you want the game to stay as it is and support a handful number of players who can stay online 2 weeks, and they want all top tier rewards handed over to them for being top 10. Yes time is worth more then money and you're getting a guranteed Rare title, badge, banner for your precious time but not guranteed vanities. The only change is you get them vanities as rare drop not a guranteed drop. Your lb points will only get you title, banner, badge. They won't gurantee the vanities drop." ~ I'm not upset but talking to someone who doesn't seem to understand other people's opinions and concerns and trying to mix it up with something else is a whole next level of misunderstanding. Like it's out of this planet. You're the one who said we are only receiving 1 item as rewards for competing in leaderboard, you sounded unhappy about that like you're the one here who wants to receive all top tier rewards.
To cut it short since I know you will turn this conversation again to another topic. I'm talking about leaderboard items as rewards, from the link you first posted that they're planning to remove it in AL, my concern is for Dark Legends if this new system happen in the future. But let me help you to understand the difference between Rewards and Drops/Loots. Rewards by the term itself and also known as Prizes are being handed over by competing for events during tier or leaderboard such as Black/Gold Conqueror masks and Crimson/Golden Gazers. On the other hand, Loots/Drops came from the crates or directly from the event zone like Sunset Gazers or Cursed Shield of Venom. I'm explaining this to you because you said "why you should be allowed a guranted Top tier lb reward just because you can play 2 weeks straight". You keep saying rewards not drops or loots. Based on your statement, you want to eradicate leaderboard rewards completely after playing 2 weeks straight and securing top leaderboard spot.
"You can keep arguing but "Change is Inevitable", it's better to adapt the upcoming changes and see how it goes." ~ from which post you can see I'm arguing about changes? No matter what explanation anyone will post, you will just keep filling our mouths with your words. You should've told me to keep quiet and told me to not to express my thoughts since you're trying to prevent me to state my concerns by making unrelated topics to each reply. So goodluck talking to someone who will to let you fill their mouths with your words.
The whole arguement is happening because i'm in support of cinco idea and you're not. I am agreeing with the problems cinco mentioned and you're not. Obviously if a developer himself is pointing out the problems publically about their game, that means they know more then you do and probably knew how upset some players might get when they face the change. But sometimes the change is necessary for the betterment of the game and to make it fair for everyone.
I don't see it as a big deal as some players do, you still get to compete for Rare Badges/title/banner via Leaderboards.
New or old vanities can be achieved via vendors/daily deals/Locked crates/Rare drops.
So basically, you're not arguing with me here, you're indirectly arguing the devs. Because it was their idea to begin with and they already gave it a thought and changed the system for one game. Possiblity is it might happen to other games as well, if someone ask me ? It should !
The leaderboards vanities should come as rare drops. People still have to play the game the only difference is the drop depends on their luck not the guranteed reward via scoreboard
Leaderboards rewards should be only - Rare Title , Badge and Banner which imo should be bound. Non-tradeble but character friendly like cinco mentioned.
I love this ideaAs someone who never thought of having the chance to own any of these vanities, I'm sure I’m not the only on. This seems attainable. This move will entice players to actually play the game and add some more competition to the community.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU BROTHER! AS I AM BASICALLY PLATINUM BUYER BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT HERE! EVERY PLAYER SHOULD HAVE CHANCE TO GET HANDS ON EACH AND EVERY VANITIES AS ITEM DROPS IN EVENT! THIS IDEA WILL SURELY SET THE GAME TO FAIR AND SQUARE. PLUS MANY PLAYERS WHO LEFT THIS GAME SAYING THAT THIS GAME IS BIASED TOWORDS PLATINUM BUYERS WILL ALSO COME BACK TO THE GAME AND TRY THEIR LUCK. PAYING 300B OR 700B FOR ITEMS WHICH ARE IN ULTRA RARE DROP CATAGORY IS INSANE AND ILLOGICAL. EVEN IF PLAYERS PLAY THE GOLD EVENT FOR 15 HOUR'S A DAY FOR 15 DAYS THEN TO THEY WONT BE ABLE TO MAKE SUCH AMOUNT OF GOLD TO BUY ITEMS THEY SELLING FOR ATM IN GAME. I AM TOTALLY LOOKING FORWORD TOWORDS LB EVENT.
ALL THE PLAYERS WHO ARE BARKING HERE AGAINST YOU ARE SHAKEN FROM INSIDE BECAUSE IF THIS HAPPENS FOR REAL IN GAME THIS PLAYERS WILL NOT OUTSTAND FROM OTHER PLAYERS IN GAME AND WILL BE LOOKED AS NORMAL GAMERS WHICH THEY DONT WANT TO HAPPEN. THIS PLAYERS ARE BARKING OUT OF PURE JEALOUSY.
IF JEALOUSY HAD A FACE THEY WOULD BE LOOKING LIKE THEM.
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100% agree with having this idea implemented in Dl! If they had started on Al, why not in dl already!
The idea is not bad and they did it already in arcane legend and in star legend so yep can and also good because after none can sell very high price the lb item in question
This should never happen. Black and gold conqueror owners, Gazer owners will start selling them for the price of a house or a car. This is never acceptable. Even if it is seen in dreams, it should be considered as acceptance.
Noone will buy them overpriced because after this gets implemented you will be able to get black or gold conqueror or gazers masks as rare drop like cursed shield. Currently only a few faces in lb is usually winning every now and then, and then they sell their LB reward for 700b-1 trillion and more.
This change lets you get all vanities via either daily deals / event vendors / locked crates or as rare drop. Basically lb vanities turns into rare drop which is random not fixed. You either get lucky get within a single day or you don't get anything at all. It gives all players a chance to run events and try their luck without worrying about scoreboard.
Instead of talking about dreams, be realistic it is happening, it happened in AL and might as well happen in other games. It solves many problems which cinco mentioned.
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