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    too many tokens drops now from mobs need to slightly reduce it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borry View Post
    Im pretty sure that the items listed below(or most of these) do not drop in low level versions (<40) or are just super super rare:
    tinsel talon, holiday slash, gingerbread defender, toy man wand, peppermint wing, snowball launcher, festival drape/leather/mail, ornament.

    Could we get confirmation on whether, if these items are not in the drop pool, this is intentional or if it’s some kind of bug?
    This list seems to be complete and correct. I haven't seen any of these at low levels.

    At this point I'm thinking it's a bug as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plpr View Post
    This list seems to be complete and correct. I haven't seen any of these at low levels.

    At this point I'm thinking it's a bug as well.
    Hopefully we get some clarity from the devs on this issue soon. Clearly something isn’t right here and at this point it needs to be changed or at least accurately portrayed on the event page. Hopefully we get some positive changes soon on this and maybe even a one week extension on the event since so much time was wasted farming with no drops at all for anyone.

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    I Don’t think it’s a bug. There’s just too many items that drops. There’s 10 different 2010 Winterfest items within the loot pool. All 10 are split between 3 rarity grades, Green Purple Pink, which makes that 30 items alone with their own drop chance percentage. Their 2012-2016 counterparts are exactly identical but they have, and must have, a higher drop chance than them. Afterwards you have tokens with 3 different rarity grades, vanities, L115 mythic pieces, and exp kits.

    A L20 Purple Toy dropped so we know they exist also. I don’t know if L50+ Winter fest items have a different drop rate compared to the L10-45s but they are also dropping a lot. Twinks should probably not have acess to loot higher level items and exp kits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MageFFA View Post
    I Don’t think it’s a bug. There’s just too many items that drops. There’s 10 different 2010 Winterfest items within the loot pool. All 10 are split between 3 rarity grades, Green Purple Pink, which makes that 30 items alone with their own drop chance percentage. Their 2012-2016 counterparts are exactly identical but they have, and must have, a higher drop chance than them. Afterwards you have tokens with 3 different rarity grades, vanities, L115 mythic pieces, and exp kits.

    A L20 Purple Toy dropped so we know they exist also. I don’t know if L50+ Winter fest items have a different drop rate compared to the L10-45s but they are also dropping a lot. Twinks should probably not have acess to loot higher level items and exp kits.
    Who dropped the 20 toy and from where? It doesn’t make sense ALL other items are being dropped regularly and NONE of the others have besides this 20 toy that I didn’t hear about drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zipties View Post
    Who dropped the 20 toy and from where? It doesn’t make sense ALL other items are being dropped regularly and NONE of the others have besides this 20 toy that I didn’t hear about drop.
    PLPR dropped it I believe when he was farming with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MageFFA View Post
    PLPR dropped it I believe when he was farming with us.
    I didn't, one of the people we were with told me he did. But I never actually saw it in a trade or anything. Seems too specific to be a troll or something so I assume he actually did get it. 5 days in and it is the only desirable drop I know of. However desirable a lvl 20 purp can be at least.

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    There is absolutely no doubt lvl 40 (I say 40 but it could be 50 or 60 whatever, just use 40 as that's really the value cutoff) and under 2010 drops are on a different level. I don't even have anything to compare them to they're that rare. I guess the original white lightning when it came out is the closest, and this is stomping that. It's definitely not as simple as just too many drops, yes there are over 1400. But 1/1400 chance is not bad odds at all (even 1/5000 odds are much better than what we are seeing). And with how many runs there have been there should be hundreds of greens purps and pinks of these sought after items. It is simply their drop rates are severely nerfed. Probably to some 0.%. There's no other explanation.

    Are they nerfed to the point where even if drops were level specific they would be possible to get? I think maybe even then it would be insanely difficult, borderline impossible.

    The 20 purple toy is a really insane case, that player should get a lottery ticket. Especially because I believe he got it Pre update. Of course if he really got it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by plpr View Post
    There is absolutely no doubt lvl 40 (I say 40 but it could be 50 or 60 whatever, just use 40 as that's really the value cutoff) and under 2010 drops are on a different level. I don't even have anything to compare them to they're that rare. I guess the original white lightning when it came out is the closest, and this is stomping that. It's definitely not as simple as just too many drops, yes there are over 1400. But 1/1400 chance is not bad odds at all (even 1/5000 odds are much better than what we are seeing). And with how many runs there have been there should be hundreds of greens purps and pinks of these sought after items. It is simply their drop rates are severely nerfed. Probably to some 0.%. There's no other explanation.

    Are they nerfed to the point where even if drops were level specific they would be possible to get? I think maybe even then it would be insanely difficult, borderline impossible.

    The 20 purple toy is a really insane case, that player should get a lottery ticket. Especially because I believe he got it Pre update. Of course if he really got it..
    I think he got it from the super rare kill joy spawn. Not even the toyman boss.

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    So we still have no idea if even one dropped yet since it was not shown, a confirmation of it actually existing would be nice but looks like we will all be holding our breath.

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    I personally just want more L30 Candles to drop so we can revive 30 a bit faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    Event runs December 11th through January 1st

    It's time to get ready for frosty festivities 'cause
    Winter is here!

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    VITALS
    No Score. No Leaderboard (just loots and frosty fun)!
    Three (3) Winter Scenarios (Escort Father Frost, Winter Gauntlet, Gifts Grotto)!
    Ol'Golden Bones will be lurking from 12.24 to 12.26 (chance to pop out of chests)!

    VENDOR
    Father Frost is back to trade event tokens (and Platinum) for special Winter goodies...

    Snowfall Aura
    Black Holiday Outfit / Hat, Bearded Black Holiday Hat
    Polar Explorer Set
    Operation: BLIZZERAX Set
    Black Galaxy Set
    Ice Knight Set
    Winter King Set
    Shiny Santa Vest
    Frosty Elf Vest
    Snowbird Wings
    Ice Hawk Wings
    Winter Angel Wings
    Holiday Lights Shield
    Gimme-Giftus Pack
    Winter King's Treasure Chest
    Krampus Horn Helmet
    Golden Krampus Horn Helmet
    Icy Krampus Horn Helmet
    Snap
    Tinsel
    Random Baby Yeti Pack (Shivers, Munch, Mushmellow, Sassy, or Chip)
    Toy Man's Banner
    Winter Frost Ring
    Winter Triumph Crest Badge

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    Above: Black Holiday Outfit / Hat and Snowfall Aura

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    Above: Winter Triumph Crest badge

    LOOT

    In the GAUNTLET

    The Black Holiday Hat
    The Bearded Black Holiday Hat
    Ruby Dragon Armor/Helm
    Royal Elf Vest
    Polar Explorer's Pack
    Evil Snowman Banner
    Toy Man's Tricorne
    Lit Wreath
    Ice Knight's Shield/Crossbow/Hammer/Staff/Sword/Talon/Wings
    Gleam
    Dragon's Eye Banner
    Runner Sled
    Tinsel Talon
    Holiday Slash
    Cuddle-Me Frost
    Cold Prickly Mace
    Gingerbread Defender
    Candle / Toy Man Wand
    Holly / Peppermint Wing
    Mint Berry Staff / Cutter
    Cloth / Iron / Leather PJs
    Snowball Duckfoot / Launcher
    Festival Drape / Leather / Mail / Ornament

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    Dragon's Eye Banner counts toward Frost Guardian or Santa Bling sets!

    In the ESCORT

    The Black Holiday Outfit
    Emerald Dragon Armor/Helm
    Shiny/Smexy Elf Vest
    Toy Man's Vest
    Operation: BLIZZERAX Backpack
    Humble Wreath
    Holiday Lights Shield/Bow/Staff/Sword/Longsword
    Runner Sled
    Tinsel Talon
    Holiday Slash
    Cuddle-Me Frost
    Cold Prickly Mace
    Gingerbread Defender
    Candle / Toy Man Wand
    Holly / Peppermint Wing
    Mint Berry Staff / Cutter
    Cloth / Iron / Leather PJs
    Snowball Duckfoot / Launcher
    Festival Drape / Leather / Mail / Ornament

    In the GROTTO

    Snowshadow
    Coal/Royal/Red Frost Costume
    Gothic/Icy/Rich/Silver Elf Vest
    Elf Ears
    Chunk
    Arctic Ice Axe/Bow/Staff/Wand
    Emerald/Ruby Dragon Battleaxe/Bow/Daggers/Staff/Claymore/Sword/Talon/Wand/Bracer/Shield/Wing
    Trail of Lights
    Broadway Buck Antlers
    Dark/Golden Angel Wings
    Ugly Snowflake Sweater
    Rudolph Sweater
    Ugly Sweater
    WF.KRA Peppermint Wing / Tinsel Talon (L115)
    WF.KRE Festival Ornament / Toy Man Wand (L115)
    WF.KRW Gingerbread Defender / Holiday Slash (L115)
    Snow Crest Badge

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    Above: Snowshadow pet

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    Above: Snow Crest Badge

    Also watch for Daily Deals!

    12/24-12/25: "Santa Bling + Molt" set, Deep Mountain Bundle, Glacial Abyss Aura
    12/31-1/1: "Frost Guardian + Zep" set, Lavaforged Bundle, Glacial Abyss Aura

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    SETS
    Bonuses do not apply in PvP.

    Frost Guardian - 4pc: 3x Damage, 3x Armor, 3x Speed, +200% Gold, +200% XP ; 5pc: 4x Damage, 4x Armor, 4x Speed, +300% Gold, +300% XP
    Santa Bling - 3pc: 3x Speed, +200% Gold, +50% Luck ; 4pc: 4x Damage, 3x Speed, +300% Gold, +100% Luck
    Winter King - 4pc: 3x Damage, 3x Speed, +300% Gold
    Operation: BLIZZERAX - 3pc: 3x Damage, 3x Speed
    Black Galaxy - 3pc: 3x Armor, 3x Speed
    Emerald Dragon - 3pc: 2x Damage, 3x Speed, +50% Gold
    Ruby Dragon - 3pc: 3x Damage, 2x Speed, +50% Gold
    Polar Explorer - 3pc: 3x Speed
    Toy Man - 3pc: 3x Speed, 3x XP
    Santa Elf - 3pc: 2x Speed, 2x XP
    WF.KR L115 Sets - 2pc: 3x Town / Winter Speed, +25% Gold


    Happy Holidays from all of us at Spacetime Studios!
    Start farming; if things are dropping in stage 20, just gear up well and you're good to go. Expect a good drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerwinroxas View Post
    Well, been at gauntlet right from the start of the event. As of now ppl are asking for clarification if l40 below for toyman, sbl, tinsel same goes to shield gingerbread, ornament and peppermint is on the loot table or for l40 below its just the candle wand etc.

    Ive tried using different luck sets, some uses combo/luck elix + classy looter for specific class type but till havent heard a single drop even with the rarity of green - pink(Rare, Epic, Legendary).

    Been playing with 2-3 of my alts for higher or more chances of dropping. We've asked ppl and they have the same thing. These are the current or most drops that Ive got for lower lvls including rare to legendary same goes to other players

    For weapons: Jolly mint cutter, Jolly pick axe, Candle Wand, Jolly mint staff
    For shields: Sled, Cuddle, frost wing
    Armor: Pjs

    For high lvls:
    Same goes to items mentioned above but including the items that havent seen dropping at lower lvls (l40/45 below) yet at any rarity which are:
    Weap: Holiday Slash, Toyman wand, tinsel, sbl
    Shields: Gingerbread, Ornament, peppermint wing
    Armor: WF Drape

    We just want to ask for clarification if l40/45 below of the mentioned items above are on the loot table as well.
    Pretty sure reskin items stop dropping after 40 so that’s probably the reason why we are seeing 2010 Winterfest items more often at 50+.

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    The event feels like it's using the drop pool from winterfest 2014ish era. Where this exact scenario happened before, the og items were added in but only dropped at high levels. (I still have my level 70 snowball launcher and holiday slash from that time period). I don't know if those events intended for the og items to drop at lower levels, but that could be an explanation of why it's not working now. If that second winterfest base is being used and wasn't edited properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plpr View Post
    The event feels like it's using the drop pool from winterfest 2014ish era. Where this exact scenario happened before, the og items were added in but only dropped at high levels. (I still have my level 70 snowball launcher and holiday slash from that time period). I don't know if those events intended for the og items to drop at lower levels, but that could be an explanation of why it's not working now. If that second winterfest base is being used and wasn't edited properly.
    They weren’t intended to drop in low level. The reskinned items are meant to be direct replacements with the older 2010 Winterfest items. This is why they all share the same stats. The difference between the 2 is that the 2010 stuff is every 5 levels while the reskinned stuff are every 10. Same goes with the OG hallow items and the reskinned ones. Doll and Shrunken Head share the same exact stats. Same with Catshield and cage.

    This is why it makes no sense to have 2010 and 2014 Winter items within the same exact drop table.




    Reskinned Winterfest: PJs, Candle Prickly Mace, Duckfoot, Sledge shield, Holly Wing, Cuddle-Me frost, Mint cutter, and Berry staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MageFFA View Post
    They weren’t intended to drop in low level. The reskinned items are meant to be direct replacements with the older 2010 Winterfest items. This is why they all share the same stats. The difference between the 2 is that the 2010 stuff is every 5 levels while the reskinned stuff are every 10. Same goes with the OG hallow items and the reskinned ones. Doll and Shrunken Head share the same exact stats. Same with Catshield and cage.

    This is why it makes no sense to have 2010 and 2014 Winter items within the same exact drop table.




    Reskinned Winterfest: PJs, Candle Prickly Mace, Duckfoot, Sledge shield, Holly Wing, Cuddle-Me frost, Mint cutter, and Berry staff.
    Likely not true. They wouldn't have had the original items in the 2014 drops at all if that was the case.

    Also, when you say same stats, that is irrelevant, like you said about the every 5. It's why 2010 items have always been far superior. Nobody pvps LVL 10, 20 or 30. Of course that's an exaggeration but 15, 25, and 35 have always been more popular by an extreme margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plpr View Post
    Likely not true. They wouldn't have had the original items in the 2014 drops at all if that was the case.

    Also, when you say same stats, that is irrelevant, like you said about the every 5. It's why 2010 items have always been far superior. Nobody pvps LVL 10, 20 or 30. Of course that's an exaggeration but 15, 25, and 35 have always been more popular by an extreme margin.
    The only reason the OG 2010 items drop above 50 in those events is because the 2010 Christmas event was still in level 50 cap. It’s the same way Winterfest items exists in 110-115 cap despite not actually having a use. They’re just filler items.

    Eh. 23 was equally as active as 27 was. Same with 30 and 35. However 2014 does not have the same playerbase or meta as 2025. Brining all of these items back achieves nothing but hurting collectors. There’s like 2 items that can see any form of use here. That’s 15 SBL and maybe 35 Toy.

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    Whatever the case for any of this it's irrelevant. We just need these items to start dropping ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    The lower level items can drop at all levels for which they previously existed (regardless of level of the character playing the event).
    This seem contradictory to a statement from yourself on a bug report as not all items for all levels that previously existed are dropping as items such and the Snowball launcher existed, and dropped, below level 50 but currently do not drop below this level.

    Could we get clarification on the levels for items that can drop as they are not listed?

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    Nope, I'm out for the holidays. Enjoy the event as it stands now.

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