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    11 years and I have to say... I have never ever seen so many unhappy people in this game. This is not sustainable in any profitable way. Or is that already established?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    Also for timed runs - 5-6 ppl share 1-3 mixed sets, and jewels/stones- way they keep pure to manipulate stuff etc.


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    people will still run everything on mains, what does it change for you…


    does it apply to you in any way?

    also love the narrative that “we” hoard gold to manipulate prices as if it wasn’t literal NPC-like players thing, “we” unlike 90% of the playerbase actually play the game not just trade to stand in town

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    Quote Originally Posted by dexxiedex View Post
    Exactly. All the people complaining cus they actually have to invest in gear and items for once. BoE is good for the longevity of the game and healthy economy. Biggest W is the anti-alt LB people mechanic.
    Only LB that this slows people from making alts for lb is temple events which isn’t worth doing anymore anyways cause they made rewards not tradeable except the jewels. Seasonal and monthly lb this doesn’t effect at all


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    Also for timed runs - 5-6 ppl share 1-3 mixed sets, and jewels/stones- way they keep pure to manipulate stuff etc. this way they r scared to invest and evry1 else profits off it. Except ppl who play 5,6-10+ years. Thats why they cry so much. If you are plat whale, or in game “rich” as they call themselves i dont see a problem with throwing couple billions in gears thats bound.


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    Ngl most of us are broke and been broke before boe and still making it work cause it’s not all about who has the best gear but more of techniques so the boe stuff doesn’t change anything except temple lb events which is a good thing but you can easily have stoped that by adding a system were you can only enter 1 character and would have to choose at the start of the event. Having the boe stuff just affects the rest of the player base mostly F2P, new players and even old players that don’t even run lbs. also we don’t share gear like that as much as yall think we do


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cufts View Post
    Ngl most of us are broke and been broke before boe and still making it work cause it’s not all about who has the best gear but more of techniques so the boe stuff doesn’t change anything except temple lb events which is a good thing but you can easily have stoped that by adding a system were you can only enter 1 character and would have to choose at the start of the event. Having the boe stuff just affects the rest of the player base mostly F2P, new players and even old players that don’t even run lbs. also we don’t share gear like that as much as yall think we do


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    Wdym? Why do u care if its boe then? Items r 30 mil. Its not about the item price for you. Its about gems and awake gems u need to put in them.
    What bothers u exactly in Boe? Dont tell me “im not getting the money back” its 30m, trade me in game ill gift u 30 m so u can buy 2 items and stop crying.
    Boe stuff affect none, if they think of gear as something usable to farm with it. Like a tool (which it is basically in a game) didnt see you complain when Blood Arti was 700m. Guess what its 100m now, u lost 600 m on item (no awakes and gems) how much will you lose on veil set? 300-400 m total?


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    boe is good in future not just like against in temple event, even in any events, me as a lb runner too. When im feel safe in top 10, im using my 5 alt to make top 50 or top 25. Or do gold tier and plat tier for reward. Since gold tier and plat tier reward are tradable. the reward have more value if we stick in one account only. Unlike now since easy to make plat tier many of us using alt to do that.
    But i hope sts have plan for those low level boe gear in future cap to craft it to be useful for some reason.
    And i hope twink or low lvl for pvp only not in event too, because if you have op gear twink he can easy to go to event to like goblin, ursoth and winter etc. If sts want to focus in end game only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    Wdym? Why do u care if its boe then? Items r 30 mil. Its not about the item price for you. Its about gems and awake gems u need to put in them.
    What bothers u exactly in Boe? Dont tell me “im not getting the money back” its 30m, trade me in game ill gift u 30 m so u can buy 2 items and stop crying.
    Boe stuff affect none, if they think of gear as something usable to farm with it. Like a tool (which it is basically in a game) didnt see you complain when Blood Arti was 700m. Guess what its 100m now, u lost 600 m on item (no awakes and gems) how much will you lose on veil set? 300-400 m total?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    Wdym? Why do u care if its boe then? Items r 30 mil. Its not about the item price for you. Its about gems and awake gems u need to put in them.
    What bothers u exactly in Boe? Dont tell me “im not getting the money back” its 30m, trade me in game ill gift u 30 m so u can buy 2 items and stop crying.
    Boe stuff affect none, if they think of gear as something usable to farm with it. Like a tool (which it is basically in a game) didnt see you complain when Blood Arti was 700m. Guess what its 100m now, u lost 600 m on item (no awakes and gems) how much will you lose on veil set? 300-400 m total?


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    First i never spent that much on a blood artifact and you didn’t understand my message I’m not just talking about veil gear bud dune weps 300m+ veil artifact is 250m+ armor and helm are low price cause procs on them suck compared to blood gear so people didn’t buy them so the price dropped upcoming gear with good procs will be expensive as well and I’m not crying I’m speaking for the F2P and new players cause it effects them the most which eventually effect the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cufts View Post
    First i never spent that much on a blood artifact and you didn’t understand my message I’m not just talking about veil gear bud dune weps 300m+ veil artifact is 250m+ armor and helm are low price cause procs on them suck compared to blood gear so people didn’t buy them so the price dropped upcoming gear with good procs will be expensive as well and I’m not crying I’m speaking for the F2P and new players cause it effects them the most which eventually effect the game
    Evry item price is big on start. Veil helm is decent. Also sb didnt have any procs if u remember, you still use it. Dune weps r op cuz of double proc thingy. Dune wep is lootable, no1 is stopping you to run dune day after day and loot one. If you look bigger picture system is great for future, f2p will much easier afford Veil pcs then they cud SB when it was new.
    You are not speaking for the new or f2p players since you have 0 contact with new players. When was you in weak pty last time? You are talking for yourself and your fear of having to actually buy plat , or just be weak since you cant afford to awake, and gem your gear that stays bound. But hey, it is still ok, mix of blood and clean veil will get you thru any map easy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    Evry item price is big on start. Veil helm is decent. Also sb didnt have any procs if u remember, you still use it. Dune weps r op cuz of double proc thingy. Dune wep is lootable, no1 is stopping you to run dune day after day and loot one. If you look bigger picture system is great for future, f2p will much easier afford Veil pcs then they cud SB when it was new.
    You are not speaking for the new or f2p players since you have 0 contact with new players. When was you in weak pty last time? You are talking for yourself and your fear of having to actually buy plat , or just be weak since you cant afford to awake, and gem your gear that stays bound. But hey, it is still ok, mix of blood and clean veil will get you thru any map easy!


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    Every item is expensive at start but depending on usefulness it doesn’t drop by much. sb has good set bonus and you don’t know what I use your just assuming. This system sucks for F2P cause once the set gets replaced they can’t sell it and all the gold they save up to get it won’t be tradeable so they can’t even get some of the gold back so when better gear drops or future content that drops they will be struggling to get gold since it’s harder to get since they nerf gl farming and dune drop rates suck. Also again your assuming things cause I barely ever run in a party when running a random map like dune so I see people who have a hard time running the maps and there obviously people complaining on forums and in game that are new players or F2P about this so I’m not talking for myself… and I don’t have any fear of buying anything so once again I think your misunderstanding the point I’m not complaining about me myself not being able to get the gear none of the post I made is about me I’m speaking about F2P and New players


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cufts View Post
    Every item is expensive at start but depending on usefulness it doesn’t drop by much. sb has good set bonus and you don’t know what I use your just assuming. This system sucks for F2P cause once the set gets replaced they can’t sell it and all the gold they save up to get it won’t be tradeable so they can’t even get some of the gold back so when better gear drops or future content that drops they will be struggling to get gold since it’s harder to get since they nerf gl farming and dune drop rates suck. Also again your assuming things cause I barely ever run in a party when running a random map like dune so I see people who have a hard time running the maps and there obviously people complaining on forums and in game that are new players or F2P about this so I’m not talking for myself… and I don’t have any fear of buying anything so once again I think your misunderstanding the point I’m not complaining about me myself not being able to get the gear none of the post I made is about me I’m speaking about F2P and New players


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    I think no1 believes you speak for new and f2p players. Ok hm is sb set now? Whole set 100m? Full veil aint even out yet. You got 0 point here, since set still isnt replaced fully, and is almost worthless (sb) .
    Anyway, you need about 600m of gear rn so you can efficiently farm dune 1 which can make you 8-10m per hour with normal (1.2k) gl set.
    Thats even without any additional drops on map.
    Seems like really good ratio to me. Just people r mad they cant farm 12-15m per hour with bad gear and some speed like they did in Indigo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    I think no1 believes you speak for new and f2p players. Ok hm is sb set now? Whole set 100m? Full veil aint even out yet. You got 0 point here, since set still isnt replaced fully, and is almost worthless (sb) .
    Anyway, you need about 600m of gear rn so you can efficiently farm dune 1 which can make you 8-10m per hour with normal (1.2k) gl set.
    Thats even without any additional drops on map.
    Seems like really good ratio to me. Just people r mad they cant farm 12-15m per hour with bad gear and some speed like they did in Indigo.


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    I know f2p players who recently capped and they can't afford to run the Dunes to loot the bound gears and the bound gears are expensive due to rarity. The legendary stuff that drops is an insult so the game is not f2p anymore, just like everyone has been saying for a long time. Getting rid of the advancement items was a mistake because now folk who start from scratch (and there are some new players believe it or not) are struggling. The advancement packs should never have been introduced in the first place just so they could be removed. All the story tokens being useless now is another example of making the game p2p. I admit it, I do purchase plat but I think that there should be a balance. Some people can't afford to purchase plat or are unable to because of their location.

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    I started 2 years ago, before i started buying plat i couldnt even afford krak armor, so i dont see any change since then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    I think no1 believes you speak for new and f2p players. Ok hm is sb set now? Whole set 100m? Full veil aint even out yet. You got 0 point here, since set still isnt replaced fully, and is almost worthless (sb) .
    Anyway, you need about 600m of gear rn so you can efficiently farm dune 1 which can make you 8-10m per hour with normal (1.2k) gl set.
    Thats even without any additional drops on map.
    Seems like really good ratio to me. Just people r mad they cant farm 12-15m per hour with bad gear and some speed like they did in Indigo.


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    Imma just drop this conversation here cause your miss understanding and doing a lot of assuming my intentions also assuming most F2P and new players can run the maps efficiently to farm enough gold to even get decent gear + trying to upgrade gl gear to make more gold on top of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    I started 2 years ago, before i started buying plat i couldnt even afford krak armor, so i dont see any change since then.


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    Im completely agree with this,with how sts distributing their end game gear, im afraid this will create more supply issue than we had on the past with blood gear. Yeah some of u guys might think tis is not a case with veil, because compare to blood gear, veil's power i think is near equal to blood gear

    This will be a problem when arc 91 release, when its op than any other gear, and the end game implicitly requires us to have it. Buying trend will rise, Everyone will buy it, use it, and cant trade it anymore. So the only supply we will get is just from crate, not the players try to resell their own used gear. This i believe will lead to more supply issues later. And yeah u already know how it will end, just the same as what happen with blood gear prices in the past, but most likely it will be more expensive.

    Lets open our mind guys, with how sts distribute the end game gear, this feature will just ruin the game again. (Tho if u really loved this game, and not just thinking about ur ability and wealth that blind ur way of thinking. because some ppl might have more than what u have, just they dont want to waste their resources with this game's current state which is an unworthy game to play, open ur eyes and start to see whats happening around u)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stein View Post
    Im completely agree with this,with how sts distributing their end game gear, im afraid this will create more supply issue than we had on the past with blood gear. Yeah some of u guys might think tis is not a case with veil, because compare to blood gear, veil's power i think is near equal to blood gear

    This will be a problem when arc 91 release, when its op than any other gear, and the end game implicitly requires us to have it. Buying trend will rise, Everyone will buy it, use it, and cant trade it anymore. So the only supply we will get is just from crate, not the players try to resell their own used gear. This i believe will lead to more supply issues later. And yeah u already know how it will end, just the same as what happen with blood gear prices in the past, but most likely it will be more expensive.

    Lets open our mind guys, with how sts distribute the end game gear, this feature will just ruin the game again. (Tho if u really loved this game, and not just thinking about ur ability and wealth that blind ur way of thinking. because some ppl might have more than what u have, just they dont want to waste their resources with this game's current state which is an unworthy game to play, open ur eyes and start to see whats happening around u)
    Bound Gear+ Gold Nerf= bad lol


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    Keep Bound on Equip, also for arcane 91's. Not everything has to be BoE, but atleast half of the meta gear should. The majority ^ can't see past their own desires. The game and the economy need this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dexxiedex View Post
    Keep Bound on Equip, also for arcane 91's. Not everything has to be BoE, but atleast half of the meta gear should. The majority ^ can't see past their own desires. The game and the economy need this.
    Lol, smh what most people want is evry new items to be unreasonably Op, cheap once its out, and when they dont use it anymore, they want it to be expensive so they can profit. Idiotic


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefal View Post
    Lol, smh what most people want is evry new items to be unreasonably Op, cheap once its out, and when they dont use it anymore, they want it to be expensive so they can profit. Idiotic


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    Tell me how BoE doesn't result in this exact issue..?

    1. Dune weapons came out.

    2. People scared to buy, 100m each.

    3. People found out they are decent.

    4. Price sky rockets to 300m+.

    5. Price keeps going up due to less farming maps and people know how decent they are.



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