What should APs represent? (Discussion)

[dmqp]

Hey everyone,

I’d like to open a calm and constructive discussion about Achievements (APs) and what they are supposed to represent in the game.

This is not an attack on the devs or on paying players. I fully understand that paying players help keep the game alive, and that monetization is a necessary part of many games. That said, I feel that the prestige of APs has been weakening over time, and I’d like to talk about why.

Where I personally see the issue
- Many APs are designed in a way that an active player needs weeks or even months of regular gameplay to complete certain gold heavy APs (especially new ones). They require consistency, time investment, and long-term engagement. At the same time, some of these APs can be skipped with real money, which makes APs feel less like a reflection of effort or dedication: the core meaning of APs, in my opinion.

I probably wouldn’t have an issue with skipable APs if the ratio were something like 1 skipable AP to 3 grindable ones. That would feel reasonable allowing some convenience while still rewarding time and effort. But the fact that the majority of APs can be skipped is what really bothers me. It diminishes the prestige of actually completing APs through regular gameplay.

What APs mean to me personally
For me, APs should ideally represent time, activity, and in-game challenges. Ideally something that cannot be fully skipped, preserving prestige once you reach the overall leaderboard after hard work.


How do you personally imagine APs should work?
- I’d like to hear your opinion about what makes APs meaningful, challenging, and rewarding.

Let’s collect ideas of APs
I’m sure there are some interesting concepts the community could come up with. I’ll start with AP I consider worthy and non-skippable:
- Find the TR (Treasure Room) 50x in Dune Floors.
This one cannot be skipped. As far as I know, TR starts appearing from Floor 2+, so everyone has to at least run Floor 1 to find it. This one passes my definition of APs.

I’m curious how the community feels, and I’m open to perspectives from both grinders and paying players.

[umarrahim]

APs should never be behind gold. I felt the 150 heroic eggs APs was already too much back in the days.

You can’t realistically farm the 6-7b required to finish these APs anymore.

You either have to sit in town merching or buy plats, any other option is unrealistic.


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[Mitsooos]

Even if some of Aps you getting from spending big amounts of gold or money, that thing should not matter so much to normal not top players.
Me personally the day I'll compete all 1000 bosses killing on all elite maps in adventurers section and the Aps on pet section, then I start thinking about the Aps that you taking from spend big amounts of gold.
This new 1b aps they are created when people started to say that they need the 1b golden bars ,if you have 5-10 golden bars in your stash those new Aps is nothing .

[Ypredator]

APs should never be behind gold. I felt the 150 heroic eggs APs was already too much back in the days.

You can’t realistically farm the 6-7b required to finish these APs anymore.

You either have to sit in town merching or buy plats, any other option is unrealistic.


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Back in the days I use to farm 1b per week full rab ezzz


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[Susanne]

Depends what you consider what the word achievement means. Buying an achievement is poles apart from earning an achievement. Then again if you run loads of maps and in doing so loot enough gold to buy an achievement is that the same as earning?

[Behoove]

Can´t add much here other than I agree! Totally goes against my concept of APS if it´s just money related. Have I gotten some T7 pets for APs? Sure I have, doesn´t mean I think of it as a good idea, same as for the title and badge both for 1 bar. As if buying new gear/auras for roughly 50 usd a PIECE isn´t making money enough, not even considering the hundreds of dollars for awakening, nah we have to drain the community even more for their money. APs should be granted for the grind, not for spending hundreds of dollars.

[Behoove]

Depends what you consider what the word achievement means. Buying an achievement is poles apart from earning an achievement. Then again if you run loads of maps and in doing so loot enough gold to buy an achievement is that the same as earning?

and sure I get your point, nevertheless that´s something you could actually just buy your way out of with real money, nothing to do with APs in my personal opinion

[Ypredator]

The aps that should have the most points are those that require time to obtain them through events such as badges and titles.

50 Badge 500 aps

100 badge 1k aps

150 badge 2k aps

50 tittles 250 aps

100 titles 500 aps

150 titles 750k aps

200 titles 1k aps

250 titles 2k aps

300 titles 2,5k aps

[Zzzzz]

Well, reason of this topic is mostly about "NO to achievements which requires only plat/gold" and it sounds logical, but remember some seasons like s20-30 (I mean when pvp aps got removed), whole aps LB had maxed aps and ppl were asking for harder achievement. So STS implemented some "hard" achievements to break those ties… (and its worked, even if it's not how players imagined about "hard" achievements). My point is only that anything what is "achievable" without spending plat/gold, will be easily achieved in less than one season by any current LB player, and kinda pointless to have LB with all players having same (maxed) APS.

How do you personally imagine APs should work?
- I’d like to hear your opinion about what makes APs meaningful, challenging, and rewarding.
.

So answering this:
Achievements should be something challenging and hard to achieve, currently there is nothing hard to achieve, and I have no ideas too what it could be (except some fair pvp modes), so currently we only have plat/gold achievements to break ties in lb…

Cursed woods 20 curses was kinda challenging, but in the end everyone got it, no matter if skilled or not; difference is only that unskilled would do x100 more attempts to complete it. So for example limiting 10 attempts per week (just random number) would be more challenging than endlessly trying it in hope to get that lucky run. But ofc a lot players won't agree with it cuz again their "everyone should be able to finish it". Also it should be more balanced between classes (mages still having problems with it)

[|Ares|]

The aps that should have the most points are those that require time to obtain them through events such as badges and titles.

50 Badge 500 aps

100 badge 1k aps

150 badge 2k aps

50 tittles 250 aps

100 titles 500 aps

150 titles 750k aps

200 titles 1k aps

250 titles 2k aps

300 titles 2,5k aps

How is buying a badge or title an achievement exactly?

[Ypredator]

How is buying a badge or title an achievement exactly?

Same question to you



To be more transparent these Aps only prove themselves over time.

I ask you Lil Demon

Do you think it's right that an Aps that takes more than a year and a half to complete only provides less than 500 points?

[Oakmaiden]

It used to represent participation in the quest lines. Now ya just buy it and is meaningless to me. Couldn’t care less about badges or titles or leaderboards.

[|Ares|]

Same question to you



To be more transparent these Aps only prove themselves over time.

I ask you Lil Demon

Do you think it's right that an Aps that takes more than a year and a half to complete only provides less than 500 points?

Now if you'd read everything I said under that thread, you'd know that I was being sarcastic buddy (its okay if you can't read before using arguments).
No one wants 250 badges ap, let alone 400 titles one

[Ypredator]

Now if you'd read everything I said under that thread, you'd know that I was being sarcastic buddy (its okay if you can't read before using arguments).
No one wants 250 badges ap, let alone 400 titles one

you are very comic .