Event Leader Board ties issue

[Fazethegarbagewar]

Hi Space Time Studios , i really enjoy this game and its content and I’m very happy you brought back LB vanity sets Thank you for that !
One thing that always troubled me is the fact that 2 , 3 or even 4 people could tie at top 10 and all of them getting main top 10 rewards. Ive been running event LB’s for 2 years now and i find this very unfair to the other top 9 players who kept grinding pts nonstop and in the end some lazy people who just wanna cheat the system do a tie and get same rewards as the ones who kept grinding throughout the entire event . I hope you remove the tie system/glitch or make it if player one is 286,322 pts lets say even if player two reaches 286,322 pts he still remains top 11 and for him to get top 10 only way be to surpass player one score , or just make it impossible for people who are on LB to have same pts .
Thank you again for everything you’ve done to the game so far wish you all the best !

[Fazethegarbagewar]

Hi Space Time Studios , i really enjoy this game and its content and I’m very happy you brought back LB vanity sets Thank you for that !
One thing that always troubled me is the fact that 2 , 3 or even 4 people could tie at top 10 and all of them getting main top 10 rewards. Ive been running event LB’s for 2 years now and i find this very unfair to the other top 9 players who kept grinding pts nonstop and in the end some lazy people who just wanna cheat the system do a tie and get same rewards as the ones who kept grinding throughout the entire event . I hope you remove the tie system/glitch or make it if player one is 286,322 pts lets say even if player two reaches 286,322 pts he still remains top 11 and for him to get top 10 only way be to surpass player one score , or just make it impossible for people who are on LB to have same pts .
Thank you again for everything you’ve done to the game so far wish you all the best !

[cometopapi]

tie is not the issue. try reaching out those players. and have a good conversation with them. if they dont want you to be on thier “tie” spot. then u know what to do.. unless ur “lazy” right? play smart. stop complaining.


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[asommers]

We try not to allow ties, but sometimes, the scoring method as well as precision will allow them. Which leaderboards are you referring to?

-ALS

[Fazethegarbagewar]

Hello, thank you for your response.

This tie issue consistently happens on Event Leaderboards, especially during the final day or the last two days before an event ends. Typically, players ranked around top 10, 11, 12, and sometimes even 13 deliberately synchronize their points. They usually contact each other and plan these ties one week to four days before the event ends.

As a result, instead of having only 10 players legitimately winning the Top 10 rewards—as intended—we end up with 11, 12, or even 13 players receiving the same rewards. This is extremely unfair to the other top 9 players who grind consistently throughout the entire week, only for some players who contribute far less to receive identical rewards.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. I sincerely hope steps are taken to prevent this behavior, as it appears to be a glitch that players are knowingly exploiting.

[asommers]

It should be fairly hard to tie in twilight temple since scores are in the thousands per run and wave time remaining affects score.

-ALS

[Fazethegarbagewar]

Yes but people can get their pts real close than they just join map kill one mob unequipped their gear let the rest of mobs kill him and they can easily tie that way . I think only way to stop ties is to make events have only 10 people top 10 so even if two people tie at top 10 one of them still stays top 11 even thought they both have same pts . Ive seen this happen during faction event lb 2025 where 3 people tied at top 25 and only one of them was top 25 the rest were top 26 and weren’t getting the main top 25 rewards, but later idk what happened and all three of them were top 25 . What I’m saying its that ties are very unfair to players who really play this game and if it’s possible something be done about it . Thank you again for your understanding so far wish you all the best!

[McDonaldsL]

Are you telling me you’re willing to run 20+ hours a day for 2 straight weeks if a lb is hard? This has already happened in many lbs, even with ties happening the same day before the end. Ties help people rest not just those doing tie, the entire top above so everyone can stop pushing nonstop

Your suggestion would only make more people play a single account to hold the top

[Fazethegarbagewar]

Ties are a cheat of the system, they shouldn’t be allowed, top 10 means only 10 people not 11 nor 12 nor 13 and so on . Lazy players abuse ties to get the rewards the easiest way , while the rest struggle and stress all the time . This is super unfair to the part of the community who really play the game !

[Zzzzz]

It should be fairly hard to tie in twilight temple since scores are in the thousands per run and wave time remaining affects score.

-ALS

This "wave time remaining affects score" actually makes it much easier to make tie, right? (since it's 1 point for every 1 sec time remain at wave)

Wave 1 mob gives 30pts (no more no less), then for example still difference 17 pts between 2 friends, so they go wave 1 separately. Person with lower pts clean wave 1 in 20 sec (getting 40pts for time remained), person with higher pts cleaning wave 1 for 17 sec longer - in 37 sec (getting 23 pts for time remained). Done.

If really need to remove ties, can multiplie all points by 1000, and make one mob gives random pts, as example mob at 1st wave would give any number from range: 29500-30500. Also can do same with 'wave time remaining' pts and add milliseconds as pts.

[asommers]

I do not want to scale the existing points nor leaderboard scores.

What I could do here is award a point range per mob (25-35) with the average being what it is now (30) and possibly the first digit of fractions of a second remaining (awarding an extra 0-9 points per wave).

-ALS

[asommers]

What I outlined above has been added for the next server (content) update.

-ALS

[Fazethegarbagewar]

Thank you !

[InsanitrisesAL]

Does this mean tie is impossible or will be hard now ? Please respond

[modkill]

it should not be even called an issue
why is it a negative thing if 11 people enjoyed nice rewards instead of 10? why would you be upset if another extra human felt happy that he got cool items in the game i do not get why you have to spiteful about more people being happy that they got nice rewards you as someone who is on top and didn't tie get rewarded for the runs you did why do sit and be hateful instead of enjoying the prize you received, those who tie did not sit and be lazy they did farm their way up, they did fight to get there especially that the ties happen on bottom of gold / silver tier lb rewards they still had to fight a F load of people bellow them to get there. they were not lazy. you won't gain anything by making one less human enjoy the rewards while its so harmless.

[Kakashis]

Does this mean tie is impossible or will be hard now ? Please respond

It makes it harder and more improbable, but not impossible. A full fix would be something like if someone from less points happens to tie someone after gaining points, the old point holder would get knocked down. It would make it impossible for there to be two of the same position rank. That said, I'm indifferent to ties, and it seems like ties have made some people work together to get better rewards. Other than making the prizes slightly less rare, I don't see why more happiness can't be spread!

[goRAtsuJ]

it should not be even called an issue
why is it a negative thing if 11 people enjoyed nice rewards instead of 10? why would you be upset if another extra human felt happy that he got cool items in the game i do not get why you have to spiteful about more people being happy that they got nice rewards you as someone who is on top and didn't tie get rewarded for the runs you did why do sit and be hateful instead of enjoying the prize you received, those who tie did not sit and be lazy they did farm their way up, they did fight to get there especially that the ties happen on bottom of gold / silver tier lb rewards they still had to fight a F load of people bellow them to get there. they were not lazy. you won't gain anything by making one less human enjoy the rewards while its so harmless.

miserable people want to drag game down and dont want anyone to be happy.
devs have 1 braincell. they just think for one second to make a decision. dont think of pros and cons. just one thought and publish.
they really hate their game and just want to make game die out. keep on making trashy decisions one after another.
their game their call though.

[umarrahim]

it should not be even called an issue
why is it a negative thing if 11 people enjoyed nice rewards instead of 10? why would you be upset if another extra human felt happy that he got cool items in the game i do not get why you have to spiteful about more people being happy that they got nice rewards you as someone who is on top and didn't tie get rewarded for the runs you did why do sit and be hateful instead of enjoying the prize you received, those who tie did not sit and be lazy they did farm their way up, they did fight to get there especially that the ties happen on bottom of gold / silver tier lb rewards they still had to fight a F load of people bellow them to get there. they were not lazy. you won't gain anything by making one less human enjoy the rewards while its so harmless.

Do you see Olympics having ties? Yes, they can happen by chance but artificially creating them breaks competitive integrity. All competitions would lose value if people agreed to tie before the contest even started.

Winners win and losers lose. Not everyone can win hence winning is special.


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[Stein]

it should not be even called an issue
why is it a negative thing if 11 people enjoyed nice rewards instead of 10? why would you be upset if another extra human felt happy that he got cool items in the game i do not get why you have to spiteful about more people being happy that they got nice rewards you as someone who is on top and didn't tie get rewarded for the runs you did why do sit and be hateful instead of enjoying the prize you received, those who tie did not sit and be lazy they did farm their way up, they did fight to get there especially that the ties happen on bottom of gold / silver tier lb rewards they still had to fight a F load of people bellow them to get there. they were not lazy. you won't gain anything by making one less human enjoy the rewards while its so harmless.

Yeah its an issue indeed, Its a "Top 10". Isnt that weird if "Top 10" has 12 - 14 people in?. Top 50, If we can tie in top 10, why we cant tie in top 50? No matter how much effort u put to tie top 50, it will be always stop at 50 people. Why? only 50 people allowed in a top 50 leaderboard, So why more than 10 ppl allowed to top 10? Somehow the rules is applying and somehow its not. Isnt that an issue?

People just care about t10 because its the highest value reward that u can get. Why dont u defend ppl that are in top 50 also?. Top 50 is still in the leaderboard right? ( I want to top 50 all my alt) please? :V.

Isnt that unfair if the rules is applying on some ppl, and not on some ppl?. If we cant tie top 50 with more than 50 ppl, then we cant tie top 10 with more than 10 ppl. Thats u called a fair

In the end, one thing to keep in mind that. this is not a type of system that let u get the same reward if u grind the same amount. And its a common sense that u will need to understand the system first before u jump into it.

Sometimes sympathy blinds u in which one is fair, and which one is unfair. And theres a lot of cases when wrong people got arrested or executed because people put sympathy over logic.