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    Sorry, but no, I'm not spending effort on something as simple to bypass as 'swap gear to character on different account'.

    Things more likely to have an impact might be something like:
    * Unlocking leaderboard mode costs tokens.
    * Each leaderboard run attempt costs tokens.

    Which at least take a time investment per character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIesale View Post
    You’re still looking at it from a ‘people will try to bypass it’ angle, but that applies to literally any system. That doesn’t mean you don’t improve it The goal isnnot to make it impossible to exploit, it’s to stop rewarding the behavior directly. Right now the system incentivizes alt stacking because it gives duplicate rewards for the same playa If rewards are tied to unique placements insteadyou remove the main incentive Even if a few people try to get around it, the overall impact is reduced and more actual players get a shot.That’s just better design than doing nothing and letting the same few people occupy multiple spots every event which is degenerate behavior. It’ll give other players a shot at top ten
    I agree with the idea of only allowing one character per account to get the placement reward. I’m just explaining why I think the devs see it as less effective than it sounds. Again, the part I think you’re overlooking is what it actually takes to enforce your idea technically. Tying rewards to “unique players” only works if the system can reliably tell who counts as the same player. And right now, it just can’t. In practice, it doesn’t really remove the incentive, it just shifts it. Instead of stacking characters on one account, people will just use multiple accounts. I think a better approach is to focus on the event itself rather than trying to track players.

    For example, they could add a qualification threshold for the event (like needing to hit a certain score before you’re even eligible for LB rewards). You’d still need an even higher score to actually place, but this makes every entry require a serious run. That way, even if someone makes multiple accounts, it’s still time-consuming and inefficient. Well, unless they have all the time in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    Sorry, but no, I'm not spending effort on something as simple to bypass as 'swap gear to character on different account'.

    Things more likely to have an impact might be something like:
    * Unlocking leaderboard mode costs tokens.
    * Each leaderboard run attempt costs tokens.

    Which at least take a time investment per character.
    This is actually a great idea, and the most plausible one so far.

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    I’m just honored you gave it thought I appreciate that. Also consider adding a title for number 1 spot please

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    To Devs,

    Hi, I just wanted to ask if it would be possible to make the Elder Stone collection available again for a limited time during the event? Even a one day daily deal would be good since the LB event heavily depends on having the best possible gear setup. Right now, they’re really hard to get through trading since most players are either holding onto them for their own runs or selling them at extremely high prices. It's even harder for the returning players who don't easily have the means to pay with gold, considering how high the value of gold is right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LurkingVampy View Post
    To Devs,

    Hi, I just wanted to ask if it would be possible to make the Elder Stone collection available again for a limited time during the event? Even a one day daily deal would be good since the LB event heavily depends on having the best possible gear setup. Right now, they’re really hard to get through trading since most players are either holding onto them for their own runs or selling them at extremely high prices. It's even harder for the returning players who don't easily have the means to pay with gold, considering how high the value of gold is right now.
    Bro I literally sell each gem for 10b, it’s not even expensive. I actually lowered the price myself when I started putting alot of android and daring for 1b in auction. Before that they were going for like 50b each. I was trying to fix the market, now people asking 10b even for unforge that says everything. The real problem is the gold event. That’s what messed everything up. If y’all bring it back next month, at least lower the gold % so the market stays balanced. If yall don’t bring it back, I’ll even release like 50 gold bars back into the community just to help gold rotation and a better market but I’m waiting to see what sts will do with gold event.

    But I’m not trying to see the market get ruined again like last time. When y’all brought the gold event back before, gold lost all value it was literally turning into Zimbabwe currency, nobody even cared about gold.

    People didn’t even respect gold before. I had to spend like 200k plat pushing daily deals, selling for 1b just to move gold around and make people actually take it serious again.

    Now the market finally feels balanced. People aren’t just asking for vanity trades anymore gold actually has value instead of being treated like nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIesale View Post
    Bro I literally sell each gem for 10b, it’s not even expensive. I actually lowered the price myself when I started putting alot of android and daring for 1b in auction. Before that they were going for like 50b each. I was trying to fix the market, now people asking 10b even for unforge that says everything. The real problem is the gold event. That’s what messed everything up. If y’all bring it back next month, at least lower the gold % so the market stays balanced. If yall don’t bring it back, I’ll even release like 50 gold bars back into the community just to help gold rotation and a better market but I’m waiting to see what sts will do with gold event.

    But I’m not trying to see the market get ruined again like last time. When y’all brought the gold event back before, gold lost all value it was literally turning into Zimbabwe currency, nobody even cared about gold.

    People didn’t even respect gold before. I had to spend like 200k plat pushing daily deals, selling for 1b just to move gold around and make people actually take it serious again.

    Now the market finally feels balanced. People aren’t just asking for vanity trades anymore gold actually has value instead of being treated like nothing.
    That’s good for you. Yes, I guess the prices right now are more reasonable than they were before. But I’m speaking more for returning players like me who don’t have a quick way to earn that kind of gold before the event starts.

    For an event as competitive as this, I just think having another way to obtain the gems, like through platinum, would give those players a fair chance to actually compete. I also don’t think bringing it back for a very limited time, even just a one-day deal and in smaller quantities, would ruin the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LurkingVampy View Post
    That’s good for you. Yes, I guess the prices right now are more reasonable than they were before. But I’m speaking more for returning players like me who don’t have a quick way to earn that kind of gold before the event starts.

    For an event as competitive as this, I just think having another way to obtain the gems, like through platinum, would give those players a fair chance to actually compete. I also don’t think bringing it back for a very limited time, even just a one-day deal and in smaller quantities, would ruin the market.
    I’m gonna clear this up because people keep getting it twisted. I’m not using gold to hoard items or control anything for myself. The whole reason I did this was to bring value back to gold. Before this, gold was basically worthles nobody cared about it. The market was drifting into vanity/relic trades and gold wasn’t even part of the conversation anymore.
    That’s not healthy for the game.
    It was starting to look like one of those situations where a currency exists but nobody respects it like Zimbabwe’s currency. There’s a lot of it, but it has no real value, so people stop using it. That’s where DL gold was So I stepped in. I spent around 200k plat buying daily deals and moved them for gold not because I needed anything, but to create demand again. I went through around 180+ daily deals at 1b each. People bought them easily because gold had no weight back then it felt like a steal. Now look at the shift.
    Daily deals are actually showing up in auction for gold something that never happened before. And now they’re even going for less than 1b sometimes. That only happens when a currency starts stabilizing and people actually value it again.
    That’s the whole point.
    Gold is harder to get now because I’m holding a lot of it, yeah but that’s temporary. I’m not trying to choke the market, I’m waiting to see what SpaceTime Studios does moving forward with the gold event in May before I rotate it back in. End goal is simple:
    Make gold matter again so trading is actually fun, balanced, and accessible especially for players who don’t buy plat.

    I already have everything I need in the game. I didn’t do this for profit. If anything, I burned value doing it.

    I did it for the health of the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIesale View Post
    I’m gonna clear this up because people keep getting it twisted. I’m not using gold to hoard items or control anything for myself. The whole reason I did this was to bring value back to gold. Before this, gold was basically worthles nobody cared about it. The market was drifting into vanity/relic trades and gold wasn’t even part of the conversation anymore.
    That’s not healthy for the game.
    It was starting to look like one of those situations where a currency exists but nobody respects it like Zimbabwe’s currency. There’s a lot of it, but it has no real value, so people stop using it. That’s where DL gold was So I stepped in. I spent around 200k plat buying daily deals and moved them for gold not because I needed anything, but to create demand again. I went through around 180+ daily deals at 1b each. People bought them easily because gold had no weight back then it felt like a steal. Now look at the shift.
    Daily deals are actually showing up in auction for gold something that never happened before. And now they’re even going for less than 1b sometimes. That only happens when a currency starts stabilizing and people actually value it again.
    That’s the whole point.
    Gold is harder to get now because I’m holding a lot of it, yeah but that’s temporary. I’m not trying to choke the market, I’m waiting to see what SpaceTime Studios does moving forward with the gold event in May before I rotate it back in. End goal is simple:
    Make gold matter again so trading is actually fun, balanced, and accessible especially for players who don’t buy plat.

    I already have everything I need in the game. I didn’t do this for profit. If anything, I burned value doing it.

    I did it for the health of the market.
    Just to clarify as well, I’m not accusing you of anything, nor am I fully aware of what happened in the previous market or everything you did. My request for the Elder Stone collection is just about accessibility especially for returning players or those who missed it and can’t realistically afford it right now with gold. That's all.


    Like you said, gold is harder to get now, which also means some players are struggling to buy the gems in time before the LB event. I’m not questioning the current state of the market, I think that’s a separate discussion for another time

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    Quote Originally Posted by LurkingVampy View Post
    Just to clarify as well, I’m not accusing you of anything, nor am I fully aware of what happened in the previous market or everything you did. My request for the Elder Stone collection is just about accessibility especially for returning players or those who missed it and can’t realistically afford it right now with gold. That's all.


    Like you said, gold is harder to get now, which also means some players are struggling to buy the gems in time before the LB event. I’m not questioning the current state of the market, I think that’s a separate discussion for another time
    It’s a limited gem that’s the whole point no everything is meant to be easy to get.

    If someone can’t afford it right now, that’s just part of the grind. Either farm the event or work your way up to it. That’s what gives it real value. Gold being harder to get isn’t a problem either it actually brought structure back to the market. Before, gold had no weight and people threw it around like it meant nothing. Now it actually holds value, and you can see that in how things are priced and traded.
    I get the accessibility angle, but if everything becomes easy to obtain, it kills the value and removes the incentive to grind in the first place. If u not mention current state of market why mention gold bro like yall some brats just expect everything get handed to yall on silver spoon bro how much pve kills do u even have I doubt u even bother to farm but u can come here and talk about gold and this and that. What’s your username? I’ll give u daring and android for free as a gift from me to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIesale View Post
    It’s a limited gem that’s the whole point no everything is meant to be easy to get.

    If someone can’t afford it right now, that’s just part of the grind. Either farm the event or work your way up to it. That’s what gives it real value. Gold being harder to get isn’t a problem either it actually brought structure back to the market. Before, gold had no weight and people threw it around like it meant nothing. Now it actually holds value, and you can see that in how things are priced and traded.
    I get the accessibility angle, but if everything becomes easy to obtain, it kills the value and removes the incentive to grind in the first place. If u not mention current state of market why mention gold bro like yall some brats just expect everything get handed to yall on silver spoon bro how much pve kills do u even have I doubt u even bother to farm but u can come here and talk about gold and this and that. What’s your username? I’ll give u daring and android for free as a gift from me to you
    It is not about how many pve kills for someone to have quantity of items or gold. First off, the circulation of gold is limited right now due to a lot of reasons, and partly it's because you've collected most of the gold bars which resorts to people trading in items again. I know you will say in your defense you were trying to fix the market, which is good, but there is no circulation. That was only a temporary fix. As a result people trade in vanities, to which people have established has a different price compared to gold bars. (ex Android 2-3gb, 40b in items). And this beats the purpose of what you are trying to fix.

    Second of all, this is forums. People have the freedom to suggest or ask the developers, and til then, it is up to the developers to do it or not. Neither did the player ask for hand me downs. Bold for you to assume and say gift it. Just because you have it, doesnt mean people want it from you for free. You've been suggesting for top 1 title, do you want it to be handed to you? You've been replying to every comment here. The event hasn't even started yet the thread is 3 pages long. Even Futumsh only reply as necessary (mostly your requests for this and that). The purpose of event is to be competitive. Let people play however they want. It's a test of skill, not resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadsoulz View Post
    It is not about how many pve kills for someone to have quantity of items or gold. First off, the circulation of gold is limited right now due to a lot of reasons, and partly it's because you've collected most of the gold bars which resorts to people trading in items again. I know you will say in your defense you were trying to fix the market, which is good, but there is no circulation. That was only a temporary fix. As a result people trade in vanities, to which people have established has a different price compared to gold bars. (ex Android 2-3gb, 40b in items). And this beats the purpose of what you are trying to fix.

    Second of all, this is forums. People have the freedom to suggest or ask the developers, and til then, it is up to the developers to do it or not. Neither did the player ask for hand me downs. Bold for you to assume and say gift it. Just because you have it, doesnt mean people want it from you for free. You've been suggesting for top 1 title, do you want it to be handed to you? You've been replying to every comment here. The event hasn't even started yet the thread is 3 pages long. Even Futumsh only reply as necessary (mostly your requests for this and that). The purpose of event is to be competitive. Let people play however they want. It's a test of skill, not resources.

    I’ll say this I might’ve come off a little out of line earlier, that’s on me. I wasn’t trying to choke the market. I was trying to give gold value again because it was basically meaningless before. If circulation got tighter, that’s fair to point out but that just means the next step is balancing it, not going back to how it was.a alow % gold event would fix that without killing the value again.

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    Who chose it was 40b? Who makes prices? You? Who decided that number, you? Who are you?
    Listen if you want actual price guidance, there's a discord I use, Book of Revelations. Their price checks are the most accurate because they actually track the market. They put in real work to keep it updated even their system is built around a price-check bot that tracks real trades, not guesses. At the end of the day, prices aren't decided by one person they move based on demand and what people are willing to pay. If people are trading Android around that range, that's because the market settled there, not because someone declared it. You're talking like prices are fixed, but they're not. They adjust with the state of the market and right now the market is different than it was before.
    You're starting to sound like Vladimir Putin deciding prices tor everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoIesale View Post
    Who chose it was 40b? Who makes prices? You? Who decided that number, you? Who are you?
    Listen if you want actual price guidance, there's a discord I use, Book of Revelations. Their price checks are the most accurate because they actually track the market. They put in real work to keep it updated even their system is built around a price-check bot that tracks real trades, not guesses. At the end of the day, prices aren't decided by one person they move based on demand and what people are willing to pay. If people are trading Android around that range, that's because the market settled there, not because someone declared it. You're talking like prices are fixed, but they're not. They adjust with the state of the market and right now the market is different than it was before.
    You're starting to sound like Vladimir Putin deciding prices tor everyone.
    Maybe it sounded like I was attacking the current market when I said these gems were being sold at “extremely high prices,” but returning players like me have no idea what the prices used to be. So when we come back, see the value of gold, and realize it’s harder to obtain now, it’s normal to view them as “expensive.”

    There are already plenty of these gems in the game, but people aren’t selling much, which is understandable if they’re saving them for the event. When they do sell, prices are still high enough that returnees can’t realistically catch up. Again, I’m just speaking from a returnee’s perspective. Since this anniversary event will likely bring players back, suggesting a way to help them compete shouldn’t be dismissed as “being a brat” just because they weren’t as active as you. I’m not even asking for it to be available for longer - just enough time, and even in lesser quantities, which won’t drastically affect the market.

    As for value, these gems aren’t actually as rare as other items in terms of quantity, but their actual price is even higher than some because they’re core meta gems. Even if resold in limited quantities during the event, their value will remain strong, especially with higher forge stats. As a merchant, I’d assume you get that.

    And yes, I do farm, just not at the level you’re expecting, where a player can pay for everything just because they do. I wouldn’t have bothered coming here to suggest and talk about this and that in the first place if I don’t. I won’t argue further about this. After all, it’s up to the devs. If they say no, then I don’t really mind. I'm stopping here. This has escalated too far and we are just over-analyzing everything at this point.

    TL;DR: I just want a consideration for returnees. Not arguing about the market, I’m more interested in the upcoming event. Do what you want. If the devs say no, then all is well. If you want to discuss market state, maybe try General Discussion? Because again, my initial suggestion was never meant to address or attack that topic.

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    Is the 10m lockout removed? Coz we can still enter the event zone after dyin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubblegum View Post
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    Is the 10m lockout removed? Coz we can still enter the event zone after dyin
    Solo, or multiplayer? From a magma strike?

    The lockout is only applied by magma strikes in multiplayer, and only locks you out of multiplayer.

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    Changes going out now:

    + You should now be able to join friends in the event zone (if not on lockout).
    + Reduced number of Magma Strikes and increased time between them.
    + Event vendor now has BEAST BLOOD EVENT PACK instead of BLOOD OF THE BEAST.
    + BEAST BLOOD EVENT PACK is a bound, openable pack.
    + BEAST BLOOD EVENT PACKs are destroyed when the event ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    Solo, or multiplayer? From a magma strike?

    The lockout is only applied by magma strikes in multiplayer, and only locks you out of multiplayer.
    yes we tried dyin from magma strike in multi to check it out and we can still join multi after

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    lockout is working properly now after the update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futumsh View Post
    Solo, or multiplayer? From a magma strike?

    The lockout is only applied by magma strikes in multiplayer, and only locks you out of multiplayer.
    Thank you very much for reducing those scary Meteors,☄️ LoL, the way it was before it was impossible to get past wave 4, they constantly hit us from the very first wave, but now, I think it's better. 🙌🏼 Thanks.

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