Real talk about the game

[Behoove]

First of all I wanna mention, while some of the points may seem like hatred, I wouldnīt be here to make the effort if it wasnīt for the love of the game. Is there anyone actually enjoying the way we are going?

1. Everything is P2W
No wonder we basically have a dieing game and 0 new players, how do you expect new players to enjoy this game, if you need BILLIONS over BILLIONS to compete at endgame. So letīs see what you currently need if you wanna run an optimal build: Full proc set, veil set for stats, stormforce weapons, speed set, gold loot set, luck set, good pets, gems and lets not forget awakenings. Now while that doesnīt seem as much, thatīs over 40 different items, most going between 100-500mil, now try to even acquire 100mil as a new player, sure you could also spend 3000+ usd to get items that will be worthless soon anyway

2. Awakening
I have high expectations for the next awakening event for an actual change, I have no clue how we again went for almost half a year after a promise in the community letter to get rid of useless awakenings - for what seems to me like quite an easy fix from a developers side

3. APs
Sure you have updated APs but to what goal? Achievements that were actually grindable like getting your hardcore char to lv 86 were removed, the most requested APs (Pet evo and Billionaire title/badge) were ignored and kept in, along with the most useless added AP of an arcane pendant that costs way too much for being totally useless (at least make it useable at endgame, why is it such a huge problem, to give players an item they can grind for, that they can actually use at endgame)

4. Events
Now this one might be the most personal one, I havenīt really enjoyed a single event this year, sure some might have been mid but itīs just a repeat of the last years with new vanities that in some instances feel like no one ever looked at them (especially some mage ones are ridiculous). Last 3 events were the most boring ones, pet event was also nowhere near the success anyone expected after your community letter. That being said, the one actual good change I see, you made lb rewards tradable, which for me personally is a great comeback for a game that relies so heavily on auction and trades (one of the main reasons Iīve always liked STS games)

5. Slots
I am maxed on all slots but again, I donīt see a world where a new player can get anywhere near enough slots of any kind - I know this is planned this year but also not something I would expect to take more than half a year. Make use of token vendors to buy them.

6. Variety of Maps
I mean not much to say here, letīs hope elite dune is a bit more exciting cause I canīt bother running dune 1 anymore, so tired of it. Idc if you donīt wanna put more effort into new maps, at least give old maps reason to run them.

7. Grindable gear
Now this might be the most ridiculous of them all. I donīt even know what to say, the only 2 decent items are dune weapons and immo brace and yet they are as outdated to the point where I might as well just run dune 1 and buy them.

8. Maximum Level
Idk whose idea it is/was to raise the level cap and let players reach max rank within 10 minutes. (I do support lower levels to go faster) but what happened to grinding the game we all loved? Doesnīt feel like much an achievement if I reach the max lv after turning in dailies for a few minutes. Sure lower the XP requirement after a few weeks months but let us grind for a goal.

9. Bind on Equip
I know - there are unbound items supposed to come this year, so far basically everything has been bound. Do you know what it feels like to invest in an item, that we all know will be useless within months and not a single way to have a return of our investment after that? Now not everyone will agree with me on this, but I personally donīt mind the ascendant blood items, at least you have the choice to use a decent piece of gear or make it bound - stronger. That way you leave us a choice and donīt force it upon us.


Last words: I totally understand that you devs have a job and want to get paid and I happily support that, the current trend leads me more towards not even logging in. Each event and new piece is basically plat reliant, bound to equip and basically useless a few months later. What happened to the good old Pocket Legends times, where you could actually farm your best in slot gear, sure make us pay to upgrade them even stronger or whatever, but give us something in maps thatīs actually exciting and gives a rush of adrenaline. Currently all it is, is farming dune 1 on remap for hours a day.

While I do know, some of the points sound a bit harsh, itīs merely from desperation and love for a game we all spent thousands of hours in.
Happy to get some feedback from the community/devs, cheers!

[Candylicks]

The tipping point for me was the absolutely disgusting cost of the pet evolution system. I still refuse to do these APs. Along with buying more worthless badges and titles. I’ll probably fall off the LB this season and then I pack it up again and say goodbye. If I spend money it’s on something I want and not for APs.

100% agree with the majority of this post. I keep meaning to look at the community letter to see what actually changed. I was looking forward to that new seasonal but it never happened.

I think I disagree on the BoE though. I like these and it helped cut down on ppl who kept passing gears around. That was really the only way to curtail it. You don’t need to upgrade to the latest so quickly. Who cares really. The timed runners are a sliver of the population and if that’s not you then why does it matter?

I love STS and all they have given us. But I also know they are prob so sick and tired of this game. Can you imagine having to deal with it for this long? It’s got to be eye stabbing by now Lol.

Now to the OP. Your thread is not new. We all know these things. My question to you is this;

Why do you stay and keep playing? Why not just go to another game that gives you better ROI ?

[OrgiinsAL]

+1 The events are repetitive and literally the same thing every year……


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[Behoove]

The tipping point for me was the absolutely disgusting cost of the pet evolution system. I still refuse to do these APs. Along with buying more worthless badges and titles. I’ll probably fall off the LB this season and then I pack it up again and say goodbye. If I spend money it’s on something I want and not for APs.

100% agree with the majority of this post. I keep meaning to look at the community letter to see what actually changed. I was looking forward to that new seasonal but it never happened.

I think I disagree on the BoE though. I like these and it helped cut down on ppl who kept passing gears around. That was really the only way to curtail it. You don’t need to upgrade to the latest so quickly. Who cares really. The timed runners are a sliver of the population and if that’s not you then why does it matter?

I love STS and all they have given us. But I also know they are prob so sick and tired of this game. Can you imagine having to deal with it for this long? It’s got to be eye stabbing by now Lol.

Now to the OP. Your thread is not new. We all know these things. My question to you is this;

Why do you stay and keep playing? Why not just go to another game that gives you better ROI ?

Absolutely fair points, ty for sharing!
Now to your question why I am still playing:
1. Friends I made along the way
2. Lot of effort and time put into my Account
3. Not many games support an open market like we have and Iīve alr stated above, I love that in games
4. Maybe just because other than most I have seen what STS games were in the past, I have started playing Pocket Legends years before AL was even a thing. Sadly I understand, the way games are monetized and make money has changed but I guess itīs always in hope that we get back some of the stuff we had back in the day - for me personally mainly the fact that you could farm the best sets in maps, wether that was endgame or even earlier maps for pvp (sentinel gun set, lv 55 fortified set, lv 60 demonic/glyph set, sanguine set for endgame lv 66 etc.). Not only did many of those look great, they also mad pvp active at so many levels.

And yes I agree, most of my points are surely not new, I just donīt see many people happy nowadays in the game, it often just feels like they try to leech every last bit of money they can get before they let the game die (even if thatīs not what their intentions are - thatīs just what it makes me feel like)

[Encryptions]

The leveling is a mess right now, its actually the opposite. Levels 41+ are just nonstop daily quests.

[Behoove]

The leveling is a mess right now, its actually the opposite. Levels 41+ are just nonstop daily quests.

My point is not on leveling overall, thatīs a discussion for another day, if I take a new char from 1-91 itīs basically all just daily quests, I end up max level with like 300 kills and barely any of the old maps touched unless it has a daily quest in it. Itīs the fact that there isnīt even a grind to reach maximum level directly after an expansion, you do dailies, reach max level and move on with your life as if no expansion ever happened. While I personally donīt enjoy the current leveling experience, itīs prolly the least of my concerns regarding where the game is/has been heading

[Susanne]

It was a brilliant game and I think the reason I still play is nostalgia and hope. I wouldn't mind the boe if it was stashable like the old mythics. I jumped over to pocket legends forum and it looks like this forum is going the same way. If the developers are tired of working on this game, it would be polite to inform us but that would mean we'd stop paying into it. I don't know anymore but I would miss AL. It truly was a nice escape from the harsh reality of the real world, especially nowadays. I'll just wait it out like everyone else who still logs in. You never know...we may be pleasantly surprised.

[Behoove]

It was a brilliant game and I think the reason I still play is nostalgia and hope. I wouldn't mind the boe if it was stashable like the old mythics. I jumped over to pocket legends forum and it looks like this forum is going the same way. If the developers are tired of working on this game, it would be polite to inform us but that would mean we'd stop paying into it. I don't know anymore but I would miss AL. It truly was a nice escape from the harsh reality of the real world, especially nowadays. I'll just wait it out like everyone else who still logs in. You never know...we may be pleasantly surprised.

Thanks for sharing!
Ye Pocket Legends is basically dead eversince AL launched, but I guess hope and memories all keep us here for now.

[Susanne]

Thanks for sharing!
Ye Pocket Legends is basically dead eversince AL launched, but I guess hope and memories all keep us here for now.

Well I shan't be paying anymore unless I see something worthwhile. I've been purchasing plat for years now, my latest payment was last week and that will probably be the last.

[Cocacolastic]

Game's goin downhill lol, they made it so either you grind your ahh 24/7 farmin gold for months or just straight up buy plat.

How is mindless gold grinding enjoyable? Only those who sell gold loves grinding 24/7 because they made it their job.

Merching? Lol everyone's got their own madeup prices, and everything moves so fast that in months, your item would lose value because theres a new shiny thing that came out.

They also didnt implement regional pricing for plat for other countries, how am i supposed to gamble if a measly 200 plat is literally the average daily wage here?

This game is crashing because sts refuses to cater to the mass and kept everything locked up to plat and billions of gold. A free lootable op item here and there wouldnt hurt every expansion.



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[Vrazicak]

They've been pretty silent for the last two weeks. Either they're cooking up something BIG and therefore have no time or intention to communicate to create somewhat of a tension ( hopefully) or they're selling the company haha

[Susanne]

They've been pretty silent for the last two weeks. Either they're cooking up something BIG and therefore have no time or intention to communicate to create somewhat of a tension ( hopefully) or they're selling the company haha

Yes, I and others have noticed that they are quiet.

[dreoelak]

Another day, another round of complaints about the game not being f2p enough. Let's take a look at the real picture:

7. Grindable gear
Now this might be the most ridiculous of them all. I donīt even know what to say, the only 2 decent items are dune weapons and immo brace and yet they are as outdated to the point where I might as well just run dune 1 and buy them.

Completely free Dune weapons were the best boss killers for half a year. Seeker stone is the best jewel in the game and it dropped in abundance. Winter and vesper stones were a free drop as well. Free evil elf set. Farmable (and cheap) Kraken weapons and armor are still viable. The list goes on. "Only 2 decent items" indeed.

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1. Everything is P2W
No wonder we basically have a dieing game and 0 new players, how do you expect new players to enjoy this game, if you need BILLIONS over BILLIONS to compete at endgame. So letīs see what you currently need if you wanna run an optimal build: Full proc set, veil set for stats, stormforce weapons, speed set, gold loot set, luck set, good pets, gems and lets not forget awakenings. Now while that doesnīt seem as much, thatīs over 40 different items, most going between 100-500mil, now try to even acquire 100mil as a new player, sure you could also spend 3000+ usd to get items that will be worthless soon anyway

You don't even need true endgame gear to run events or farm gold and enjoy the game. You can farm with barely any gear. Events are often lucrative for f2p newbies aswell. For example, y'all can complain about Pet Rescue as much as you like, but it required no gear at all. Farming speedup kits did not even require speed set. People just don't want to use their brains.

As a matter of fact, the game discourages active players from paying, since nowadays progression towards better gear is the only meaningful goal one can have besides lbs. What's the point of clearing maps after spending 3000usd on gear? You already have everything. You don't even need to spend that much money to compete for top 25 or monthly badges. All the sets you described are welcome but not necessary to progress in the game.

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When was that mythical f2p friendly time people keep referring to? You didn't mention it directly, but we all know the sentiment.
31-46 caps? First month for f2p was about praying to klaas to get luck lix so that you can farm lockeds. How about pets? arcanes from locks or mythic for plat. Mauso? Good luck finding good party without both dragon hunter and flameforged staff. Didn't play beyond mauso, but I doubt it was much better after 2018.

The game is currently as f2p friendly as it has ever been.

[dreoelak]

Some of the points you're making are completely valid, but in the full post they feel completely disconnected from each other and sometimes contradictory. You complain about p2w pet achieves, but completely ignore the fact that hardcore is the quintessential p2w. Nobody besides dedicated hardcore players wants to play it.
Slots are the only real issue for f2p, but you gave it only a passing mention; asking elite dune to be "a bit more exciting" conveys nothing. I agree with you on the above two issues, but the rest is something I disagree with/don't thing is that important right now.

By trying to discuss everything at once, you make it impossible for anyone (including devs) to focus on any single thing. There's too much stuff to process, making it overwhelming.
STS is not going to act on something so vague, and even if they were to act upon it, community still wouldn't be satisfied because you can't implement "make game good" suggestions that often contradict each other. Tackling a single problem per post would've been much more productive, imho.

Don't take it personally tho; we do need more discussion on these topics and your post definitely helps.

[Behoove]

Another day, another round of complaints about the game not being f2p enough. Let's take a look at the real picture:


Completely free Dune weapons were the best boss killers for half a year. Seeker stone is the best jewel in the game and it dropped in abundance. Winter and vesper stones were a free drop as well. Free evil elf set. Farmable (and cheap) Kraken weapons and armor are still viable. The list goes on. "Only 2 decent items" indeed.

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You don't even need true endgame gear to run events or farm gold and enjoy the game. You can farm with barely any gear. Events are often lucrative for f2p newbies aswell. For example, y'all can complain about Pet Rescue as much as you like, but it required no gear at all. Farming speedup kits did not even require speed set. People just don't want to use their brains.

As a matter of fact, the game discourages active players from paying, since nowadays progression towards better gear is the only meaningful goal one can have besides lbs. What's the point of clearing maps after spending 3000usd on gear? You already have everything. You don't even need to spend that much money to compete for top 25 or monthly badges. All the sets you described are welcome but not necessary to progress in the game.

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When was that mythical f2p friendly time people keep referring to? You didn't mention it directly, but we all know the sentiment.
31-46 caps? First month for f2p was about praying to klaas to get luck lix so that you can farm lockeds. How about pets? arcanes from locks or mythic for plat. Mauso? Good luck finding good party without both dragon hunter and flameforged staff. Didn't play beyond mauso, but I doubt it was much better after 2018.

The game is currently as f2p friendly as it has ever been.

Fair points, always open for a discussion, seems like we just disagree on a base level I guess. The thing is, I am NOT purely putting this out there for my own sake, as an old player, Iīve got enough gold to spare, but I do hear the voices of my guildies. Now granted, sure you can play any game with worse items and have fun, evil set was craftable, still you needed gold to buy the required crafting items (almost impossible to farm all by yourself with low ms, unless you played 20h a day maybe), doable but at the end of the day, still so much harder for newer players (slower ms, less gl etc.). Besides that, no reason to not have a decent farmable set available for craft all time and not just for one event because I doubt many newer or weaker players actually crafted the full set. I gave probs to dune staff, great addition to the game, sadly again, basically everyone farming for those runs with a good pt, as a weak player you get left alone in the map and without blood gear it prolly takes 1h soloing 1-6 just once, meaning you could spend a year farming 1-6 to drop 1 weapon. I am not saying itīs impossible to get into the game, itīs just too hard in my opinion, especially if you donīt want to solo everything in a multiplayer game. And towards your last point, I have already mentioned to have played their previous game Pocket Legends, it was a lot more accessable, now at the end of the day itīs all preference, all I know is that I personally would NOT start this game from scratch and as the player numbers show, many others also wonīt and current players arenīt happy either.

[Behoove]

Some of the points you're making are completely valid, but in the full post they feel completely disconnected from each other and sometimes contradictory. You complain about p2w pet achieves, but completely ignore the fact that hardcore is the quintessential p2w. Nobody besides dedicated hardcore players wants to play it.
Slots are the only real issue for f2p, but you gave it only a passing mention; asking elite dune to be "a bit more exciting" conveys nothing. I agree with you on the above two issues, but the rest is something I disagree with/don't thing is that important right now.

By trying to discuss everything at once, you make it impossible for anyone (including devs) to focus on any single thing. There's too much stuff to process, making it overwhelming.
STS is not going to act on something so vague, and even if they were to act upon it, community still wouldn't be satisfied because you can't implement "make game good" suggestions that often contradict each other. Tackling a single problem per post would've been much more productive, imho.

Don't take it personally tho; we do need more discussion on these topics and your post definitely helps.

And sure hc is p2w if you want to take it to leaderboard, reaching level 86 isnīt at all. itīs a grind over time. The AP was not, make it into leaderboard, but make it to level 86.

Additionally, yes there is more points and it might make things harder to focus, itīs my attempt of throwing out there what I see and I wonīt make even more effort on discussing every single topic in singular threads, Iīve put enough effort into this. Not saying all has to be fixed, if devs ever see this, they can pick and choose if they might want to adjust one or not. Thanks for your feedback though

[Sampep]

getting hc lvl 86 has nothing to do with main char, how is getting lvl 86 hc an achievement for someone’s main toon? It made no sense , that’s why it was removed

[Behoove]

getting hc lvl 86 has nothing to do with main char, how is getting lvl 86 hc an achievement for someone’s main toon? It made no sense , that’s why it was removed

Sure that‘s fine if you don‘t see it as an achievement, they won‘t revert that anyway

[Susanne]

It depends on why you play the game in my opinion. I do know this, team playing is almost non existent, so if you're starting from scratch, free to play it's rubbish. When we were all starting out at the beginning of AL everyone was in the same boat. We teamed up to play elite maps for chests, we teamed up to try and loot locks and pet eggs. We teamed up at level 41 to loot undead vials in planar tombs.We even farmed forgotten ruins for victus.
We had plenty of stuff to farm and didn't need an event every week. PvP was active and events were very special because we could spend our tokens on vanities.
You start from scratch now, there's nothing and no low level who is free to play can play events and to be honest, less endgame people play them because the vendors don't sell anything worth buying with event tokens or plat.
So tell me, what is the use of starting out nowadays? Give a good reason why anyone would want to be a new player now without having to pay for inventory slots. Never mind the load out slots everyone needs because there's too many sets with different procs. Oh and don't forget furniture slots, crafting slots and all the awakenings and decent pets.

[Lexonex]

The leveling is a mess right now, its actually the opposite. Levels 41+ are just nonstop daily quests.

Just buy the pack for 500 plat lol


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