The Non-Healers

**Pleasure_Pirate** · 09-21-2010, 08:22 PM

So in trying to level my bear I've noticed there's a shortage of competent healers.. When I'm tanking I seem to have to spam health pots to stay alive on some bosses, and when I'm holding several mobs. Meanwhile the healers just use their auto-attack, ignoring my health bar (oblivious to the fact that when I die, they do too). I can't seem to ever find a decent PUG anymore. Just today, I died halfway through a level. The response to my 'Rez please' was 'I don't have rez'...
Mainly, the question is, why play a support character if you're not going to support because you're too busy spamming your auto attack? Honestly the heals are more beneficial to the group than the miniscule damage your staff is doing compared to the birds. I know there are players who seem to play the Mage right, and when I'm in groups with them the levels are a breeze and I rarely have to pot.
Which is why, way back in April, I tried a bear, and switched to enchantress almost immediately - there was a shortage of people that healed. Basically, I died too much as a bear for my liking, much of which could be avoidable with teamwork. After a break from the game, I returned, starting up a strength bear. It's a fun character, but only when I am in a group with a skilled enchantress. Otherwise, I need to spam pots, which isn't cost effective, or die and let my teammates die as well. Asking the mage to "Heal more often please" more often than not leads to nothing. Playing my bear has now become frustrating because of this.
This isn't a complaint, more of a rant, and I don't expect anyone to do anything about it. Kind of an, "I was the healer for a while. Now I wanna play a new class, but I can't find anyone to heal me." I know most of the people here on the forums are the more competent players, so this probably doesn't apply to anyone here. I know everyone can play as they want, so if you don't wanna heal, you don't have to. The game really goes faster when you do, because I the tank don't die, thus losing aggro and likely killing you as well.

Thanks for the read; opinions welcome.

/rant

**Alias_TheMax** · 09-21-2010, 08:35 PM

I totally agree with you and I realized it me too with my L28 warrior :P

**vulgarstrike** · 09-21-2010, 08:36 PM

incompetents tend to think they can play Mage.
my Mage is pvp pure, and so I don't have Rez, but with my 200hp heal spam I'll make sure I never need to use it

just like you, things that make me mad:

not healing when team is obviously hurt
not rezzing immediately but just trying to rambo and kill everything beforehand... guess what, you can't.
not knowing that heal cures negative status effects. unfreeze, mend, fearless.... no one seems to know these anymore.

**LIGHTNINGLORD67** · 09-21-2010, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by vulgarstrike

incompetents tend to think they can play Mage.
my Mage is pvp pure, and so I don't have Rez, but with my 200hp heal spam I'll make sure I never need to use it

just like you, things that make me mad:

not healing when team is obviously hurt
not rezzing immediately but just trying to rambo and kill everything beforehand... guess what, you can't.
not knowing that heal cures negative status effects. unfreeze, mend, fearless.... no one seems to know these anymore.

Dude, they never know it.

These people that make you mad are noobs! They're just plain simple nooby noobs.

**Raxie** · 09-21-2010, 08:38 PM

vulgar, seems like you are #2 on the enchantress kdr ranking.

**vulgarstrike** · 09-21-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Raxie

vulgar, seems like you are #2 on the enchantress kdr ranking.

did it change?
oh well I better get working on it then!

**Chickdigcookies** · 09-21-2010, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Raxie

vulgar, seems like you are #2 on the enchantress kdr ranking.

word, right under ME!

**vulgarstrike** · 09-21-2010, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Chickdigcookies

word, right under ME!

don't think I won't catch up

**Chickdigcookies** · 09-21-2010, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by vulgarstrike

don't think I won't catch up

lol, dont worry...i could care less.

lvl 28 btw...

**vulgarstrike** · 09-21-2010, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Chickdigcookies

lol, dont worry...i could care less.

lvl 28 btw...

lol
it took me 2 days to get top.
kill farm ftw

**SpeedWeed** · 09-23-2010, 10:09 PM

a good mage shouldn't be too concerned about auto attacking but moving around to stay outa boss range. run in to heal/ use aoe spells.

**Chickdigcookies** · 09-21-2010, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Raxie

vulgar, seems like you are #2 on the enchantress kdr ranking.

word, right under ME!

**Arterra** · 09-21-2010, 08:40 PM

when fighting bosses my eyes aren't on the action but on the tiny little bars to the left lool. sequence for perfect backup mage/pally= buffs (also means self armor and crit), debuffs, fire combo (if applicable) and heal all the rest of the way... if you die in my party, blame yourself and possible distractions heheh. I even go back for the fallen!
if I personally am the one getting hit i don't immediately use heal, i use drain health, just in case

edit: lol, there were no comments while writing this

**SlipperyJim** · 09-22-2010, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Arterra

when fighting bosses my eyes aren't on the action but on the tiny little bars to the left...

IMHO, Ursans should also watch the little bars on the left. Tanks should keep an eye on the squishies to make sure they aren't being pounded. If the squishies are being pounded, beckon/stomp/taunt the badguys away from them....

To the OP: My enchantress alt will heal you. Unfortunately, I've been levelling my tank.

But he's lvl 45 now, so I'll start playing Atropos again, and maybe we'll run into each other!

**DontHateAppreciate** · 09-22-2010, 05:08 PM

BTW, I'm not new to the game. I agree that there are not enough great healers out there. However...

From my experience:
When I first started playing in May, I didn't even know that "Rez" means "Revive". So, my immediate answer was "I don't have Rez." I was asking people in towne for help and no one responded whatsoever. This shows you how helpful players are. I laugh about it now but not when it happened.

I totally agree with what Royce posted. It's annoying to play with a "tankable tank" or someone who runs around the levels like a lost puppy or a DEX bird trying to be a tank and at the same expecting to be heal/revive all the time.

For the past weeks, I've been playing at Frozen Nightmare and have seen some of the worst players to play with. Heal... heal, revive me, rez, rev, heal pls... "Yes, definitely. Now, be a warrior and get them off me." The response I usually see is "I'm alive so let me kill the boss and get my loot. Forget the mage that just healed and revived me." If mage is a support character for all, a tank is a mage support.

But more importantly, why are experienced players always hating on the new players. If anything, we should be helping and welcoming them. Without new players joining the game, this game wouldn't be successful. Don't Hate, Appreciate!!!

**Raxie** · 09-22-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by DontHateAppreciate

But more importantly, why are experienced players always hating on the new players.

like who? i don't actually mind healing or reviving. i heal or revive them, they say ty and life goes on.

**Snakespeare** · 09-22-2010, 05:55 PM

OK, here's a sarcastic answer, don't take it seriously:

Wha!? Why do I have to heal you? You got potions, don't ya? What, are you too cheap? I paid for this map with plat just like you. Nobody ever heals me. I can play however I want. If you don't like it, go play with someone else. I'm only in it for the pinks, don't kid yerself. I'ma gonna sell me pinks. I kite the boss away from yer corpse, you can respawn your own bad self and get back before I kill him or you lose out. That's the way we do things here. You got any idea what it's like to be mage? Everyone else can just storm the bad guys, but I'm supposed to watch your health and his health and hers, too. When do I get to have fun? Just cuz I got a mage, don't mean I gotta heal you. I'm so sick of everyone saying Rez me, heal me, mages heal, and calling me noob. Gar! Why doncha just go play your own game.

blah blah blah that's actually how some people think

**SlipperyJim** · 09-23-2010, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by DontHateAppreciate

If mage is a support character for all, a tank is a mage support.

QFT. Actually, a tank is supposed to support the whole party. We keep the bosses stunned, pinned, and otherwise occupied while everyone else kills them. We're the meatshields. Hide behind us!

**DontHateAppreciate** · 09-23-2010, 03:41 PM

"Supposed to be"... IMO, more mages heal and revive (great or not) than tanks actually keeping "bosses stunned, pinned, and otherwise occupied while everyone else kills them". LMAO...