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    Quote Originally Posted by Swede View Post
    There will be. They will not be easy to find though. Elite level Legendary will still be standard gear for high level players, Mythic and Arcane will be for the very lucky/dedicated.

    We'll take a look at the Molten Rifle tomorrow and make sure it's equivalent to previous guns. It's meant to be different though, but of course not meant to be bad.
    could you do a elite quest (like in PL) with an arcane or mythic item as reward? it should be a very difficult quest, that only dedicated players can complete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stackz View Post
    All plat purchase gear is weaker than elite drops. Nobody would farm hours on end buying reroll elixers if they could buy better store gear for cheaper...duh
    What stackz says is true. The store bought gear is designed to not be the very best in game. Initially, the Buccaneer Armor and Molten Weapons were designed to release with the Kraken Isles expansion and the level cap raise. They would probably be more interesting for end game players when they are playing through new levels. We brought these items out early to help raise awareness of the new campaign coming.

    When I hear these complaints, I think that what you're really saying is "why isn't there a version of these items for me?" Maybe there should have been some one-off drops added to the elite bosses that use these new looks, that statistically would have been on par with the best stuff in game, for example.

    I hope that makes sense as to why we put these items out.
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    Just an update on this. I've looked at the data and compared it to the previous rifle. Stat wise it should be more or less on par, if not identical in some cases. The major difference here is the "what is it doing?" question.

    At a high level the single target fire does more single target damage then the charged does, and this is part of why you need to be facing your target to fire. When you charge the molten gun it will always do the AoE effect, but the damage dealt to each mob is going to be less, however with enough enemies the total damage may be more. It depends on your situation if you need focus fired attacks or an AoE spread to supplement your chosen skills as necessary. Any instances where the AoE has no visual is only a visual bug.

    Having said that I did tighten up the damage window a bit (that sems a bit inconsistent), and you will see that next update.
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    Ik the stats suck on the new bows, but is there a hidden proc with them?

    I faced a player I usually have less trouble with that now owns one, and they were able to stun me for the whole duration of the fight. Does the stun last longer? Or something I'm missing?

    Or was I just laggy as hell? Lol

    Still trying to comprehend how 2k+ can die from Barrels O.o

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    I think in general the weapons look great but from what I've seen, the stats aren't on-par with the other rifles. It seems that yall are putting more into the procs and effects of weapons & the dmg created by those effects/procs than the stats lately. Also with the visual bug of some passive skills, its kinda hard to see if the builds end up on-par with what we try to get to begin with.


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    Haha. I love it.

    If these plat items were as good as dropped items, people would complain about being able to buy best in game.

    But they are not, so people are complaining about how wimpy the items are!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrce View Post
    Haha. I love it.

    If these plat items were as good as dropped items, people would complain about being able to buy best in game.

    But they are not, so people are complaining about how wimpy the items are!


    Love it!
    The only downfall I see, is that no one really has an "aim" to get these. Meaning they are less desirable and quite useless in term of "use". (Obviously not "best" ingame as in dropped items)

    Vanity wise these would have worked out, but with stats less than current no one's ever going to "strive" to get the sets.

    I'll prob grab them when cheap in CS for my Collection as I'm a Horde xD But won't go out of my way to get them in the mean time.

    Still trying to comprehend how 2k+ can die from Barrels O.o

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    we have to remember this is not elite gear. Of course level 21 non elite gear is going to be weaker than level 21 elite gear. It sure would be easier if it were better. Instead of spending hours in game farming for stuff I'd just plunk down the plat and buy the best gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvhills View Post
    we have to remember this is not elite gear. Of course level 21 non elite gear is going to be weaker than level 21 elite gear. It sure would be easier if it were better. Instead of spending hours in game farming for stuff I'd just plunk down the plat and buy the best gear.
    Not comparing Elite 21.

    Comparing Watcher vs Molten at any lvl.

    Atm there is no reason to switch, especially Twink wise.

    Still trying to comprehend how 2k+ can die from Barrels O.o

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    Great update I love my new town gear :P

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    Bod... watcher gear is elite... hence why it costs 15 plat to open the chests. Comparing molten to the steel commando stuff is the fair comparison. It's still junk though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BodMaster View Post
    The only downfall I see, is that no one really has an "aim" to get these. Meaning they are less desirable and quite useless in term of "use". (Obviously not "best" ingame as in dropped items)

    Vanity wise these would have worked out, but with stats less than current no one's ever going to "strive" to get the sets.

    I'll prob grab them when cheap in CS for my Collection as I'm a Horde xD But won't go out of my way to get them in the mean time.
    BodMaster, just a point of clarification. There are still plenty of people who might be interested in this gear, as not everyone playing Arcane Legends has made it to the end cap or has Elite Legendary Gear in every slot. Just because you don't find it the best for your character doesn't mean that someone else might.

    Vanity versions of the Pirate Gear is currently planned for after the expansion as we get closer to the next level cap raise for Arcane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BodMaster View Post
    Not comparing Elite 21.

    Comparing Watcher vs Molten at any lvl.

    Atm there is no reason to switch, especially Twink wise.
    i considered watcher gear elite. I just hope the level 26 elite gear in the new campaign is better than the level 26 agile ranger gear. I'm getting tired of farming jarl whenever a new map comes out. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvhills View Post
    i considered watcher gear elite. I just hope the level 26 elite gear in the new campaign is better than the level 26 agile ranger gear. I'm getting tired of farming jarl whenever a new map comes out. Lol.
    The team is pretty bored of farming Jarl too. I expect that while Elite Jarl might still be fun and possibly rewarding in the Kraken Isles expansion at 26, there will likely be incentives and loot distribution that makes farming other areas equally, or more, interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhayne View Post
    The team is pretty bored of farming Jarl too. I expect that while Elite Jarl might still be fun and possibly rewarding in the Kraken Isles expansion at 26, there will likely be incentives and loot distribution that makes farming other areas equally, or more, interesting.
    I find its not that they prefer jarl its that he's less of a walk and or fight to get to than the others. So more people farm jarl in the long run if that makes any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razerfingers View Post
    I find its not that they prefer jarl its that he's less of a walk and or fight to get to than the others. So more people farm jarl in the long run if that makes any sense.

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    As a gamer myself I concur with this statement. He is the quickest path of least resistance, but new loot distribution in the new campaign should shift the farming around a little bit without removing too much from those who love their Jarl!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carapace View Post
    As a gamer myself I concur with this statement. He is the quickest path of least resistance, but new loot distribution in the new campaign should shift the farming around a little bit without removing too much from those who love their Jarl!
    I have a few opinions of current conversations.
    1. In the new areas, I love to see more timed dungeons..more enemies in a confined area. My guild loved doing many runs in W4 and T4..till they get burn out from doing it so much XD

    2.Now elite jarl thats a touchy subject cara, My guild does many runs...maybe if you make the maps like jarl in certain levels of kraken isles would help with the distribution your talkin about. ppl would farm both places, and yes no-one wants to spends loads of time in elite guess thats why (The Dev's) are doing it too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Samhayne View Post
    The team is pretty bored of farming Jarl too
    3.As for the new stuff in the store, im glad it isn't the best. I got them to try out to see what my twinks could do...not the best, but better then commando in certain aspects. (comparing apples to apples)

    4. Another thing thats is still popular was to farm pets doing daily missions, hope kraken isles has some of those
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    Personally don't consider paying 15 Plat to get Watchers "Elite".

    Elite 21 "Best" I'd still put on 16 Elite (21 scaled), Demonlord gear.

    Only reason Watcher Rifle/Bow is usable/desirable is that it's only Plat obtained. (Originally, before CS)

    However even comparison to Watcher gear, it had become cheaper than any gear in a few days, then went up and down from there, unlike the people trying to make their "millions" from this gear atm.

    On the contrary, I wasn't expecting or ever crossed my mind of Molten to reach "Elite" status, but currently seems no use except wearing around town for new outfits. (Anyone being an AL player is able to obtain far better gear for cheaper price)

    @26 Farming Jarl... Bleh.

    Can you at least lower the stats so they don't become so desirable and easy to obtain being the same or close to the same as Demonlord/Blackbeard gear

    The reason Jarl is being farmed is due to such low stats in the Demonlord and Jarl 30-45s - Tower 2-4mins.

    If I'm made to wear "Agile" another Cap I might just lose the plot.

    Still trying to comprehend how 2k+ can die from Barrels O.o

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    They should make elite jarl like 10x harder in the expansion to catch people by surprise

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    I think the reason why very few people are interested in the molten weapons is the timing. Because we are so late in this campaign, most players have managed to achieve decent end-game gear. If this were released instead right after the new campaign, then people would be buying this in level 25/26 trim and the stats would be better than their level 21 gear just because of the 5 level increase in the stats. Then people would use this gear to farm until they can obtain their level 26 elite gear. So I wouldn't count these weapons out just yet, but I would wait until I reach level 25 before buying those chests.

    And regarding Jarl farming, is it STS's plan to always discontinue elite gear from old campaigns? For example, will we now be looking at Elite III Chests and Elite Banded II Chests that only give level 25/26 elite gear? I always found it fun in PL to farm for lower twink gear, even when I was at higher levels. It created a nice market for twinks, and made it possible to merch these older items as they had not been discontinued and there was always a steady supply of new items. In AL it seems like the market for these older items (currently level 15/16 pinks) is pretty dead as there is very little supply and obviously no new items dropping.

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