Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 24

Thread: Guide: Pets for Rogue

  1. #1
    Member Jenzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    94
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    26
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default Guide: Pets for Rogue

    There are lots of pets for rogue in the game.
    These pets dive different bonuses to your character's attributes.
    And visually you don't always understand what pet is better.
    To better understand, what pet is better for different situations, did a comparative analysis in the table.
    I hope this information will help you to choose a Pet for different situations.
    This information includes changes from Content Update (118721), 2013-04-19.

    Name:  pets v2.JPG
Views: 3810
Size:  201.6 KB
    Last edited by Jenzz; 04-22-2013 at 07:32 AM.

  2. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Jenzz For This Useful Post:


  3. #2
    Senior Member Zuzeq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Lost Cove's Shadows
    Posts
    1,101
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    401
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    323
    Thanked in
    186 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenzz View Post
    There are lots of pets for rogue in the game.
    These pets dive different bonuses to your character's attributes.
    And visually you don't always understand what pet is better.
    To better understand, what pet is better for different situations, did a comparative analysis in the table.
    I hope this information will help you to choose a Pet for different situations.
    This information includes Content Update (115460), 2013-03-12.

    Attachment 25963


    Awesome post, thanks. Would have been a bit better if you based it off a certain level or build.
    The Collective - Toa Aiga

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Zuzeq For This Useful Post:


  5. #3
    Member Jenzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    94
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    26
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zuzeq View Post
    Awesome post, thanks. Would have been a bit better if you based it off a certain level or build.
    It's for 26 lvl rogue and not top-gear.
    Top-gear will give better results.
    But in this case it's important to compare the pets for the same gear in all the cases.
    Here are all the screenshots:

     

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-38-22.JPG
Views: 2890
Size:  130.5 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-38-34.JPG
Views: 2903
Size:  129.1 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-38-48.JPG
Views: 2950
Size:  129.0 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-39-06.JPG
Views: 2895
Size:  129.4 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-39-20.JPG
Views: 2921
Size:  130.4 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-39-37.JPG
Views: 2837
Size:  129.0 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-39-51.JPG
Views: 2841
Size:  129.4 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-40-43.JPG
Views: 2884
Size:  130.6 KB

    Last edited by Jenzz; 03-13-2013 at 12:52 PM.

  6. #4
    Senior Member Zuzeq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Lost Cove's Shadows
    Posts
    1,101
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    401
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    323
    Thanked in
    186 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenzz View Post
    It's for 26 lvl rogue and not top-equipment.
    Top-equipment will give better results.
    But in this case it's important to compare the pets for the same equipment in all the cases.
    Here are all the screenshots:

     

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-38-22.JPG
Views: 2890
Size:  130.5 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-38-34.JPG
Views: 2903
Size:  129.1 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-38-48.JPG
Views: 2950
Size:  129.0 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-39-06.JPG
Views: 2895
Size:  129.4 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-39-20.JPG
Views: 2921
Size:  130.4 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-39-37.JPG
Views: 2837
Size:  129.0 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-39-51.JPG
Views: 2841
Size:  129.4 KB

    Name:  Screenshot_2013-03-13-06-40-43.JPG
Views: 2884
Size:  130.6 KB



    Thanks again for the post. Kettle wasn't even on my radar!
    The Collective - Toa Aiga

  7. #5
    Junior Member Taigah's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    A, A
    Posts
    24
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8
    Thanked in
    6 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenzz View Post
    There are lots of pets for rogue in the game.
    These pets dive different bonuses to your character's attributes.
    And visually you don't always understand what pet is better.
    To better understand, what pet is better for different situations, did a comparative analysis in the table.
    I hope this information will help you to choose a Pet for different situations.
    This information includes Content Update (115460), 2013-03-12.

    Attachment 25963
    Thanks for this!

    Mind sharing your spec setup and gear? Would love some help to figure out my setup.

  8. #6
    Member Jenzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    94
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    26
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Taigah View Post
    Thanks for this!

    Mind sharing your spec setup and gear? Would love some help to figure out my setup.
    I love to experiment with the builds and stats, and change them depending on the situation. I have a few favorites for PvE and PvP.
    I'll be much easier if you tell your preferences, your style of play to help you.

  9. #7
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    25
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    1 Post

    Default

    Do you have Meep Moop? He should be added to this matrix as he is a crit based pet like Horton.
    Other than that, great job this is awesome.

    Someone sticky this post if it hasn't already.
    Shadowina | Rogue, level 26

  10. #8
    Member Jenzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    94
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    26
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by D-Zaak View Post
    Do you have Meep Moop? He should be added to this matrix as he is a crit based pet like Horton.
    Other than that, great job this is awesome.

    Someone sticky this post if it hasn't already.
    I'll add Meep-Moop later.

  11. #9
    Member Jenzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    94
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    26
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default

    Have updated the tables.
    Hope it'll help you.

    p.s. just noticed, mixed up the 5 and 6 places in the Rating 1 (pets for survival).
    Last edited by Jenzz; 04-22-2013 at 07:30 AM.

  12. #10
    Senior Member ShadowGunX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    1,335
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    58
    Thanked in
    54 Posts

    Default

    hey jezz awsme job u hav done.
    Can u also make it for warrior? :-)

  13. #11
    Guardian of Alterra FluffNStuff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Hundred Acre Woods
    Posts
    6,314
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    699
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    919
    Thanked in
    551 Posts

    Default

    Nice Job!

    Couple Questions.
    How did you get the total damage output?
    Did you see any effect on skills from the %damage increase from the pets?

    The Hundred Acre Legends:
    HunnySniper - HunnyStorm
    Please Fill out the End Game Pet Survey!|||||| What's With that Shield Icon?

  14. #12
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    1,472
    Blog Entries
    2
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    156
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    133
    Thanked in
    97 Posts

    Default

    Aha pretty nice guide you cooked up there! By scanning might get stickied

  15. #13
    Member Cashews's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    221
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    8 Posts

    Default

    Very nice. Can you add wrathjaw and flapjack?

  16. #14
    Member Jenzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    94
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    26
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cashews View Post
    Very nice. Can you add wrathjaw and flapjack?
    I'll add flapjack later. Wrathjaw is in the tables already.

  17. #15
    Senior Member Alrisaia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    936
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    259
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    396
    Thanked in
    159 Posts

    Default

    I would really love to get a soft copy of that excel doc.. if not I suppose I can just copy the data :P

    but - I'm not sure why I don't see Ribbit on that list. I am a dagger rogue - and I've been running with Ribbit for some time now. I absolutely love that frog.

  18. #16
    Guardian of Alterra FluffNStuff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Hundred Acre Woods
    Posts
    6,314
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    699
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    919
    Thanked in
    551 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alrisaia View Post
    I would really love to get a soft copy of that excel doc.. if not I suppose I can just copy the data :P

    but - I'm not sure why I don't see Ribbit on that list. I am a dagger rogue - and I've been running with Ribbit for some time now. I absolutely love that frog.
    Ribbit is a fantastic pet for SOMEONE ELSE to have, since us Rogues still benefit from the +40 crit For me, the main purpose of a pet is to up my dex.

    The Hundred Acre Legends:
    HunnySniper - HunnyStorm
    Please Fill out the End Game Pet Survey!|||||| What's With that Shield Icon?

  19. #17
    Guardian of Alterra FluffNStuff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Hundred Acre Woods
    Posts
    6,314
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    699
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    919
    Thanked in
    551 Posts

    Default

    OK, bunch of questions now that I really look at the numbers.
    Crit Damage Bonus? Crit damage bonus to what (regular damage from a certain weapon, a certain skill) and where exactly are you getting 290% and what is changing it?
    I see your table is just a 'simulation', not actually a carry out a test. What 'skill' is it that is charging that hits at this damage and crits at exactly that rate? If you are talking Aim Shot, then ... well ... hmm ... yeah ... lets just pretend you are not talking aim shot.

    The Hundred Acre Legends:
    HunnySniper - HunnyStorm
    Please Fill out the End Game Pet Survey!|||||| What's With that Shield Icon?

  20. #18
    Senior Member Alrisaia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    936
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    259
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    396
    Thanked in
    159 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffNStuff View Post
    Ribbit is a fantastic pet for SOMEONE ELSE to have, since us Rogues still benefit from the +40 crit For me, the main purpose of a pet is to up my dex.
    I love it when another member of the party has Ribbit - and I'll switch between Flapjack, Malison, Ribbit, Wraithjaw, and Horton (if I have to with the bird)... However when I'm in control of when Ribbit's crit bonus kicks in it's always better results.

    Typically I'll approach the group of mobs, pop smoke, drop net, razor shield - Ribbit immediately after, then aimed shot attack. When ribbit comes back Razor shield isn't up yet, so if the net brings mobs close I'll use him otherwise I'll wait until the razors can come back up.

    I am basically a walking AOE spell with a nuke every 2 seconds that goes off. Anyone who wants to run with me and see my tactics you're welcome to, and while I remain humble I've yet to meet a rogue who doesn't run with better gear (hooks) outperform that combo it's simply devastating.

  21. #19
    Member Jenzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    94
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    26
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Alrisaia View Post
    I would really love to get a soft copy of that excel doc.. if not I suppose I can just copy the data :P

    but - I'm not sure why I don't see Ribbit on that list. I am a dagger rogue - and I've been running with Ribbit for some time now. I absolutely love that frog.
    Sure.
    Have added excel doc here: link

  22. #20
    Member Jenzz's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    94
    Blog Entries
    1
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    26
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    14
    Thanked in
    5 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffNStuff View Post
    OK, bunch of questions now that I really look at the numbers.
    Crit Damage Bonus? Crit damage bonus to what (regular damage from a certain weapon, a certain skill) and where exactly are you getting 290% and what is changing it?
    I see your table is just a 'simulation', not actually a carry out a test. What 'skill' is it that is charging that hits at this damage and crits at exactly that rate? If you are talking Aim Shot, then ... well ... hmm ... yeah ... lets just pretend you are not talking aim shot.
    It's Bonus Dmg. But I call it Crit Damage Bonus.

    To understand what this index means, I experimented a lot. On bosses. Solo.
    I used the simple skill (not Aimed Shot) to eliminate the effect of the crit bonus.
    And wrote down all the results.

    At that time my Bonus Dmg (Crit Damage Bonus) was 260% (see screenshots above).
    When I used not charging skill Crit Damage Bonus was about 150%.
    When I used charging skill Crit Damage Bonus was about 260% (max value).

    So, the experiment showed that Bonus Dmg (Crit Damage Bonus) affect of the critical strike damage from skills.
    In the description of each skill is written "+increase damage on a critical"
    This is the answer to the question - how much damage will be increased in case of activation of a critical strike.

    And that is why the damage from Aimed Shot can reach 2000-3000 damage.
    See this calculation:
    - For example, Damage from the Aimed shot = 400.
    - Bonus Dmg or Crit Damage Bonus = 260% (400 * 260% = 1040).
    - Crit Bonus from the skill (upgrades #2) gives an additional 250% to crit (1040 * 250% = 2600).
    Last edited by Jenzz; 04-25-2013 at 02:50 AM.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Guide: How to not die as a rogue or mage!
    By Deadbite in forum AL Player Guides
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 06-13-2014, 08:20 AM
  2. Rogue Guide to PVP!
    By D-: in forum Rogue Class Discussion
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 02-21-2013, 08:11 PM
  3. L16 Rogue PvP Guide!
    By D-: in forum AL Player vs. Player
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 02-13-2013, 12:41 AM
  4. any rogue guide out?
    By birdmasta in forum AL Player vs. Player
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 02-06-2013, 06:35 PM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-29-2011, 11:42 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •