Good job man!
Good job man!
Lel. You Fanny.
Great thread MM that I can relate to all to well. Had someone the other day inspect me on my lvl 5 twink mage and say, "Your KDR >-<", but I've only pvp'd with 10-15's with the exception of one 6, and one 10 dex bear with forg would farm kills off me while I talked with other players instead of trying the other 10+'s.
I hate to bump my own thread, but I've read so much crap on the forums lately about who has this and that KDR. Please read.
Please do read. So many of my friends get rushed by supposedly "respected" and "pro" players of the community when they join a game with a crap KDR char with bad gear.
i dont like being rushed
my kd is still pwro
There is no hypocrisy. I made this thread to raise awareness about what KDR means and doesn't mean. In my experience, I have been able to beat those with 1/1 KDR's nine times out of ten. This doesn't mean that everyone with a 1/1 KDR can be beaten nine out of ten times. There are exceptions to every rule. (I fought a Mage the other week with a negative KDR who beat me as often as I beat him.)
Here's a quote from this thread:
Please spend more time reading my thread with an open mind to learn something, and less time trying to find an error.
Last edited by MightyMicah; 11-26-2013 at 07:12 PM.
I remember this awesome thread as wellOriginally Posted by MightyMicah:1352725
And erm...you just quoted yourself after Gragroaks quote :/
All for One, and One for All!
The Brightest of Flames..cast the Darkest of Shadows..
One who knows nothing cannot understand anything..
Yeah, but there's clearly a contradiction between the general spirit of this thread (KDR isn't so important measure of skill and it shouldn't be something to care about) and that your old response to WhoIsThis. WhoIsThis said that "KDR doesn't mean much for skill", and you disagreed. Now you're here bumbing your thread which clearly states that KDR doesn't really tell much about skill. It looks like there's a huge contradiction between your reply to WhoIsThis in Caztori's KDR thread and this thread, don't you think?Originally Posted by MightyMicah
So many things affect KDR, that it just doesn't tell much about skill.
Actions that make KDR better:
- Boosting.
- Farming ungeared noobs.
- Refusing to fight more skilled players.
- Never playing FFA/CTF.
- Leaving FFA/CTF games if is in the losing team/team members aren't the most skilled veterans out there.
- Only calling weaker players in GO matches.
- Using forgotten (prior nerf)/halloween/plat pack gear against people with legit gear.
- Teaming & spawning.
- Playing against lower levels.
Actions that make KDR worse:
- Playing lots of FFA/CTF.
- Playing mainly with more skilled players, aka trying to improve own skill level and tactics.
- Playing against higher level opponents.
- Using legit gear against forgotten bows/halloween gear/plat packs.
- Trying to fight back while getting teamed and/or spawned.
Can you honestly say that KDR reflects players skill at all? At least at my main pvp range, 22-26, good players tend to have KDR 1.0-2.0, while those who have higher tend to be less skilled. Foxsmash for example is probably the best 22 fox post-nerf, and his KDR is about 1.0. Many foxes who have KDR 3.0+ can only dream about killing him.
Of course this could be completely different at sewer pvp, I haven't played that level range much.
I've read this thread thoroughly twice now, once when you originally posted it and yesterday. I don't feel I'd need to spend more time with it. It's well written post with good thoughts, but is is in great contradiction with your response to WhoIsThis few weeks ago.Originally Posted by MightyMicah
Last edited by Gragorak; 11-27-2013 at 09:37 AM.
<Enigmatic>Ludens necesse est, vivere non est necesse.
If rushing is PvP and afterwards using things to kdr at pvp, how does dodge kill many achievements?
Gregorak: You have stacked the deck on your side and refused to acknowledge the point of this thread, and the message I was conveying in WhoIsThis' thread. There remains no contradiction. Allow me to elaborate.
First of all, there are two main ideas in this thread. Once you understand these, you'll understand what I'm saying. These two ideas are:
1. KDR does not always have a direct link to skill. (Notice the qualification "does not always." This is an exception, not a rule, that I am expressing.)
2. KDR definitely means something, but not what people generally say it means. (See #4 in my original thread. That was dedicated to the idea that KDR does mean something.)
In this thread, my goal was to bring to light that you should not simply chalk up a KDR to meaning skill, or no skill directly proportional to good KDR, or bad KDR. Instead, you should read KDR's very carefully to find our what they do tell you. In WhoIsThis' thread I did just that. Most times, (9 out of 10 to be excact) when I face an opponent who has a 1/1 KDR, I can beat them. Why doesn't this contradict this thread? Because I read their KDR in order to deduce this. Seemingly, I chalked them up to having no skill due to a bad KDR, but that isn't quite the case. Most talented pvpers can experience every negative effect that you listed, and still maintain higher than a 1/1 KDR. Granted, there ARE exceptional cases that I listed in my original thread, but those are exceptions. This is why I quoted myself (Shadowstar) in the previous comment I posted.
The idea is that you can never know anything for certain by looking at KDR. Because you can't know anything for certain, you should not assume anything to be true. However, you should do your best to try and deduce what a KDR means. Just don't judge so shallow as "Good KDR means good pvper bad KDR means bad pvper."
It seems you have misrepresented my thread to mean, "Stop judging by KDR." When, in fact, my thread is saying something more like, "Stop judging falsely by KDR."
Dang it, my rhino has 1.6/1.8 KD
I guess I suck..
All for one, and one for all.
All for One, and One for All!
The Brightest of Flames..cast the Darkest of Shadows..
One who knows nothing cannot understand anything..
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