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    Default I don't like that I can't get the best items without some investment

    *sigh* I really didn't ever want to have to write a post like this but I believe it needs to be brought to the attention to STS in a severe and upfront way. I have played Arcane Legends almost from the beginning and have enjoyed it for quite some time. That being said there are a number of growing issues I see as a gamer that are either being overlooked or STS just doesn't care.

    1. The game is so undoubted plat driven it hurts. You simple can not go out and farm for the best pets or items anymore you have to buy crates and open them with platinum or buy pets from the pet stable that aren't even worth the amount of plat they're charging for them. On the fact that you have to open crates you lose twice. Which brings up point 2.

    2. Locked crates were the beginning of the end of the game. You have to either farm or buy from consignment shop. Farming them is a pain because the drop rate of them are so low that it's just simply easier to buy them. Well in buying them you lose twice like i said. You lose gold and platinum on one crate.

    3. Three also relates to 1. and 2. in that in order to get anything great you have to farm your hind end off to get it. Fine I'm ok with that. But in order to get anything good you have to farm in Elites which, as I said in previous posts, is not for the casual gamer. So you have to load up on potions, but wait....those cost gold too. So you have to spend money on pots to farm (which I'll address the laughable drop rate in number 4.) you farm and farm and are hemorrhaging pots and gold in order to stay in the game. Then it finally happens, you get something worth selling. licking your wounds you go to the consignment shop to sell it. Then comparing the amount of gold you spent on pots, don't forget feeding your pet, you realize you're losing money every time you try to farm.

    4. the biggest issue is the two tier drop rate or lack there of. you farm and farm and farm and farm losing money on pots and feeding your pet and farm and farm and farm. you get nothing MAYBE MAYBE if you're lucky you get a crate or chests. BUT seeing as this is a two tier system now you have to roll the dice on that crate or chest. do you want to sell it and make some money back to farm some more, or open it and possibly lose plat on crate or make less than 100 gold on the chests contents because you rarely get an item worth anything.

    Example: I have farmed Palm Rock for what seems like forever, day in day out all day all night Palm Rock. Trying to get that staff that I don't even need but i know it sells for millions so I wanted it to drop so I can make some gold. Not only did I NEVER get the staff to drop I never even got an elite gold pirate chest. AND to pour salt in the wound I watched two other ppl get the staff ONE THEIR FIRST RUNS. So i said screw it i'll get some more plat (if you know me you know I spent an insane amount of plat on opening crates for Hammerjaw) i'll open more crates and get a mythic or Glacian or something to revive myself in this game. lets just say it would have been better to spend the platinum on gold and get something then waste my plat and time on opening crates.

    So to wrap this up and get off my soap box I will say this, STS has forgotten the gamer and only thinks of their money in my opinion. They want us to get plat and gamble on opening crates. or spend it on rerolls and I'm sick of it, something has to change in this upcoming expansion or i'm done and trust me when I say i'm not the only one.

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    Exactly!

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    Hallelujurr... Smh. This is basicly what everyone has been talking about. Oh and don't forget that we have to be very careful on what we ask for. Remember, players asked for a rare item that we can farm our hearts out... And we get not one but two different types of items in crates we have to pay real money to open for a mere chance to get them. Ripmaw and Slag being the exception to be sold for 250 plat and only of Mythic rarity type, not Arcane.

    Which in turn makes the Achievements & LB all about plat. In DL we have Achievements earned with plat but the difference is they don't cost an arm and a leg to get. At most 150 plat per outfit for aboht 3 or outfits but considering the amount of money it costs via IAP of plat in DL vs AL, its no contest. Its like Prada (AL) vs Target/Kmart (DL) lol.

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    Yeah i agree crates are a must for 99.99% of people to get the good gear we all want, But even then the question comes to mind "at what cost?" there are no guarantees at all why would i gamble my money on a game?? Crates should go and platinum purchased items should come too play as well as being able to buy them with gold. I wont be one of the unfortunate to be poor 5k plat later... Also there is no consistent way too make money, i can understand not getting a million gold drop everyday i play, but after you run about broke from all the pet food and pots ur kinda just left in a ditch on that 1. you can make like 2k gold a day on dailys which is enough to buy 100 pots and pet food, which i prolly had to use half of to get the dailys complete.

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    I'm happy that the plat drive has stuck mostly to pets. When PL was our love, we had to watch an amazing game, one that required skill, technique and time to learn your class turn into something that a chimp could play by buying elixirs and skill mashing their way to the top, then brag about being amazing and rich because they spent thousands of real dollars on a game they know not the first thing about playing.

    At least you don't NEED the arcane items to play. Idk, I'm considered poor in AL but I've managed to make enough that I'm enjoying myself. I've spent $20 of real money on the game and I have about 600k. Not millions, but, enough that I'm not struggling to buy potions. I don't farm for hours and have been surprised by the good drop rate of elite pirate chests.

    At the end of the day, you need to realize that these games are money making vehicles for STS and $$$ is what their ultimate goal is. They make the game pretty and fun enough to play while adding options that make them money. Be grateful that AL hasn't gone so far to plat hell that it's still enjoyable to play if you're not elixir'd up. Although, with the rate of level caps being released, I see that on the horizon.

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    Why are crates a must? Why do you have to have the best items? Is it so hard to play the free game? I have tons of plat over in PL, but I only got a little for AL. Once I passed the $250 mark, I considered that I had paid my fair share for my STS games and now I play the free parts. I've never opened a crate. Even in PL I've never paid more than 100K for something in the CS. I use my plat to buy things I want only when I know what I am getting. I know I'll never look as cool as people who waste real money on a game, but that doesn't matter to me. I know I'll get my butt kicked in PvP so I don't play it. I just play in the zones hoping for a nice drop. I get them sometimes. It makes me happy. People who expect nice drops probably get unhappy because they are rare. Well, between the free elixirs and the large number of players in the zones, I have no trouble running around having fun.

    Besides, there are three other games from these guys. And they all have a way to play completely free. So between all those games, I always have something to do.

    This is why the Buddha said the cause of suffering is desire. Rid yourself of these desires (top gear, leader board status) and you'll be happy.

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    Its not about having the best of everything. Its having the best stuff for your toons that benefit them in one way or another. Problem is, with PvP being in the mix, it means those with enough money will have a huge advantage over others which players see as highly unfair (Arcane weapons, pets etc.). Especially when they've said that plat wasn't goig to be a necessity to play... It is if you want to PvP with the so called best gear for your builds (depending on what that is). I don't have any Arcane or Mythic gear (except RipMaw) on my Mage and do ok in PvP... Guess my build is just different than theirs than? Idk. Still, the money put into those crates for those types of items are basicly to become rich in game with gold it seems. My issue is the Achievements attached to them. X.x hella amount of money for some achievements.

    Bleh... I got a feeling they're going to introduce Subscriptions sooner or later. If they do then I hope they seperate the game into two parts so that the two don't mix cuz they'll have a bigger advantage over non-subscribers....

    ...oh wait its pretty much like that already LOL.

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    I posted this in another thread, so I will post it here as well:

    Yes, they create these games to make money. They got families to feed and this is their job. They don't work for free.

    So there are one of two business models for MMOs. Either they charge a monthly fee of like $10-20/month or they do it like this with plat. Yes, these games always start nice where plat is not a big issue, but that is just to get people to come and start playing. It's like the new restaurant on your block that gives free dinner during their first month open. They are not a charity and cannot do this forever.

    Eventually they are going to have to make some money so they start selling things for plat to make a decent amount of money. If nothing really good is available for plat, then nobody is going to spend a lot of plat.

    Understand that they need some players to spend thousands of plat to offset those who don't spend any plat. So please tell me what they should sell to get lots of players to spend thousands of plat. Tell me what you would prefer they sell instead of the way they do it. But it must be something that lots of players will want to spend thousands of plat on, not something crappy or something that doesn't help people do better in the game, because nobody is going to spend thousands of plat on stuff like that.

    This is a form of entertainment and like most forms of entertainment it cost money. Do you get your internet for free? What about your device/phone/computer? Was that free? When you go to the movies is that free? What about your cable television? We are lucky they allow us to even play this for free at all, but they do. But obviously you will not enjoy it as much as those who do pay for it. That is just the way it goes.

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    I think ima keep playing xbox live Bf3 ya feel me nobody got time for this!

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    Default The Death of Arcane Legends

    I kind of think pl needs more improvements than arcane with all the updates arcane gets I don't see how you guys complain.
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    I'm all for subscriptions. I have been for years. Charge us $5-10 a month and get rid of elixirs, locked chests, and anything that costs plat. Heck, I'd even subscribe to pocket legends if they made it subscription and did away with plat.

    Yeah, they'd lose some players but they announce all the time how many millions of times the games have been downloaded so surely there's enough of a market to support it.

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    At the beginning PL was free only for the first campaign. You then had to pay plat to go to any of the other campaigns/towns/dungeons, and this was the way they made their money. Problem is that I believe it was a flop and the game did not make enough money. So instead they decided to get more players to come by making all of the campaigns free, and then only charge for in game items/elixirs. While the other model sounds better to most gamers, it apparently is not a successful one.

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    When arcane was advertised before release it stated the best gear can be found in game, respecs would be free and platinum would only be needed for vanity items.
    My my how things have gone astray in the end free to play but if you want achievements, play pvp or grind for cap you spend more than you would for a subscription to a game with more to it.
    Broken promises sts has really disheartened me for your games. In the end all care now about is getting our dollars for a game that does not deliver on the high hopes we had. Last update were is the story and the cool cutscenes? When is pvp not going to be beta any more and is ctf the only pvp we have to look forward to?
    I fear sts will soon disappear into obscurity as better mmo's are coming to mobile. Sam n delph please make sure your employer sees this thread as a change is needed or else the paying public will go some where else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    I fear sts will soon disappear into obscurity
    If they only charged plat for vanity items and nothing else, then they surely would disappear into obscurity as they would not be able to make their rent or payroll and would have to close the doors LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizeric View Post
    At the beginning PL was free only for the first campaign. You then had to pay plat to go to any of the other campaigns/towns/dungeons, and this was the way they made their money. Problem is that I believe it was a flop and the game did not make enough money. So instead they decided to get more players to come by making all of the campaigns free, and then only charge for in game items/elixirs. While the other model sounds better to most gamers, it apparently is not a successful one.
    Yes. Yes . YES! This is the PERFECT EXAMPLE. You guys here are saying you HAVE to pay plat, while you don't, and in PL, you HAD to pay to play! I myself haven't spend more than 5 bucks. I spent ONLY 2 dollars, and that was for a character slot! I never pay plat, and look, I have good gear, good pet, good weapon, and good money! Ppl have to Learn how to play the free way! For Example: Pet Glacian! I'm currently saving up VIRTUAL money to get to. It's 30 mill. You don't HAVE to pay plat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakersrockftw View Post
    I kind of think pl needs more improvements than arcane with all the updates arcane gets I don't see how you guys complain.
    Pocket legends is old news came out in 2010 if am not mistaking its 2013 Time to move on ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcanee View Post
    I think ima keep playing xbox live Bf3 ya feel me nobody got time for this!
    Aww, too bad that I'm PS3 user
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowstar View Post
    Yes. Yes . YES! This is the PERFECT EXAMPLE. You guys here are saying you HAVE to pay plat, while you don't, and in PL, you HAD to pay to play! I myself haven't spend more than 5 bucks. I spent ONLY 2 dollars, and that was for a character slot! I never pay plat, and look, I have good gear, good pet, good weapon, and good money! Ppl have to Learn how to play the free way! For Example: Pet Glacian! I'm currently saving up VIRTUAL money to get to. It's 30 mill. You don't HAVE to pay plat!
    But say ya do play for free most of the really exciting stuff is for plat based players beside a lvl cap and When the last time a really really cool anticipating pet that drops with out plat tell me that ?

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