A Few Questions About The Warrior...

[latino]

if u think rally cry is useless then u r a useless warrior.

not really...

FULL RALLY CRY BONUS:
1. 10% dmg reduction
2. 50% Dodge
3. 20% Speed
4. Aplly to the all party
5. ALL for 8 sec, CD 20 sec, (so u DONT get any buff for 12 sec)

So lest get some number in it.. lets say that there is a mob that dose always 100 damage per hit, and lets suppose this mob will hit 10 times

TANKING WHIT RC:
100dmg (-10%) is 90dmg
90dmg x 10attacks is 900dmg
900dmg (-50% dodge) 450dmg

We sayd 10 times 100 damage, so from 1000 u get 550 damage


FULL VANGEFUL BLOOD BONUS:
1. About 1/3 of dmg received, is healed back (in elites atleast)
2. Give mana back (no idea how much)
3. 25% Crit
4. 25% DMG OUTPUT
5. 50 STR (500 HP+dmg+dps)
6. ALL for 14.5 SEC, 25 sec CD, makes u UNbuffed for 8.5 sec.

Same situation as above:

TANKING WHIT VANGEFULL BLOOD:
100dmg (-1/3) is 70 dmg
10 times 70 its 700
u got 500HP from VB so technically u actually got 200dmg (but lets not count this 500hp for now)


So u get AROUND 700 damage(VB) instead of 550(CR)....BUT....u still have 500 HP more!(whit VB) PLUS:
1.VB Stands 8sec
2.CR Stands 14.5sec
3.VB gives u 500HP
4.VB gives u 25% more damage, 25% Crit, 50 STR (wich makes u kill ur taget MUCH faster, so u get hit less time)


now u can say that CR bonus is for the ALL party so the damage absorbed overoll is much higher...right, but:

1.Time CR is very, very difficult
2. On big pulls if u r a "good" warr u dont lose the aggro so the party is not actually affected from that skill so much
3. On Nordr Bosses the rest of the party gets oneshooted by red field attacks, so it dosent affect em that much aswell
4. Yeah, u can find for SURE some situation when is better CR over VB...but that makes it a situationally skill
5. Overroll, in most of the situation is better VB over CR coz even if it absorb less damage, it makes u do almost TWICE the dmg is u combo Ribbit whit it
6. CR+Ribbit is 65%CRIT for FREE, lets say u got around 10% its makes 75% crit wich basically twice ur dmg, (ribbit gives 40%crit to the all party BTW ;D)


EDIT:
math mistake

[ishyrionek]

@latino:
Go check rally cry bonuses, then write.
5% reduction, 10 speed, 25 dodge, 12/20 sec.
Yours math is wrong too, but i dont wanna argue with someone, who can post so much... :-)
Rally is better for tanking, vb for dmg :-)

[latino]

@latino:
Go check rally cry bonuses, then write.
5% reduction, 10 speed, 25 dodge, 12/20 sec.
Yours math is wrong too, but i dont wanna argue with someone, who can post so much... :-)
Rally is better for tanking, vb for dmg :-)

Dunno if there is some TYPO but on my screen says that last 8 sec, 20CD

u forgot about the "Lungs of Steel" upgrade...which give 50% more effect applied...on my post i calculate it as 100% more...my bad, but u forgot about that, ur bad :P

WHAT I POSTED
10%Reduction
20%Speed
50%Dodge

WHAT U POSTED
5%Reduction
10%Speed
25%Dodge

HOW ACTUALLY IS (i guess)
7.5%Reduction
15%Speed
37.5%Dodge

according to my play style this makes VB even more useless xD

[Bejo]

@latino:
Go check rally cry bonuses, then write.
5% reduction, 10 speed, 25 dodge, 12/20 sec.
Yours math is wrong too, but i dont wanna argue with someone, who can post so much... :-)
Rally is better for tanking, vb for dmg :-)

may be he mean after upgrade double benefit of RC effect (forgot the name)

[Natrich]

may be he mean after upgrade double benefit of RC effect (forgot the name)

The upgrade doesnt double anything. It only makes the rally cry buffs last 12 seconds instead of 8 seconds. The dodge chance is unaffected by the upgrade. I'm pretty sure the movement speed isn't increased. And there's no way to know if damage reduction goes from 5% to 7.5%

[Bejo]

The upgrade doesnt double anything. It only makes the rally cry buffs last 12 seconds instead of 8 seconds. The dodge chance is unaffected by the upgrade. I'm pretty sure the movement speed isn't increased. And there's no way to know if damage reduction goes from 5% to 7.5%

oh my bad, yeah lungs of might, that the name, increase by 50% not double

[latino]

The upgrade doesnt double anything. It only makes the rally cry buffs last 12 seconds instead of 8 seconds. The dodge chance is unaffected by the upgrade. I'm pretty sure the movement speed isn't increased. And there's no way to know if damage reduction goes from 5% to 7.5%

I was just thinking about "lungs of might" (i think is the name of it) anyway that would b wrong coz i calculate 100% instead of 50%

So if that is true why the description says that give 50% more benefical effect? instead of "increase the duration" like in vengeful blood?

[ishyrionek]

So if that is true why the description says that give 50% more benefical effect? instead of "increase the duration" like in vengeful blood?

Read both descriptions. It often helps... Not always, but often :-)

[ShadowGunX]

not really...

FULL RALLY CRY BONUS:
1. 10% dmg reduction
2. 50% Dodge
3. 20% Speed
4. Aplly to the all party
5. ALL for 8 sec, CD 20 sec, (so u DONT get any buff for 12 sec)

So lest get some number in it.. lets say that there is a mob that dose always 100 damage per hit, and lets suppose this mob will hit 10 times

TANKING WHIT RC:
100dmg (-10%) is 90dmg
90dmg x 10attacks is 900dmg
900dmg (-50% dodge) 450dmg

We sayd 10 times 100 damage, so from 1000 u get 550 damage


FULL VANGEFUL BLOOD BONUS:
1. About 1/3 of dmg received, is healed back (in elites atleast)
2. Give mana back (no idea how much)
3. 25% Crit
4. 25% DMG OUTPUT
5. 50 STR (500 HP+dmg+dps)
6. ALL for 14.5 SEC, 25 sec CD, makes u UNbuffed for 8.5 sec.

Same situation as above:

TANKING WHIT VANGEFULL BLOOD:
100dmg (-1/3) is 70 dmg
10 times 70 its 700
u got 500HP from VB so technically u actually got 200dmg (but lets not count this 500hp for now)


So u get AROUND 700 damage(VB) instead of 550(CR)....BUT....u still have 500 HP more!(whit VB) PLUS:
1.VB Stands 8sec
2.CR Stands 14.5sec
3.VB gives u 500HP
4.VB gives u 25% more damage, 25% Crit, 50 STR (wich makes u kill ur taget MUCH faster, so u get hit less time)


now u can say that CR bonus is for the ALL party so the damage absorbed overoll is much higher...right, but:

1.Time CR is very, very difficult
2. On big pulls if u r a "good" warr u dont lose the aggro so the party is not actually affected from that skill so much
3. On Nordr Bosses the rest of the party gets oneshooted by red field attacks, so it dosent affect em that much aswell
4. Yeah, u can find for SURE some situation when is better CR over VB...but that makes it a situationally skill
5. Overroll, in most of the situation is better VB over CR coz even if it absorb less damage, it makes u do almost TWICE the dmg is u combo Ribbit whit it
6. CR+Ribbit is 65%CRIT for FREE, lets say u got around 10% its makes 75% crit wich basically twice ur dmg, (ribbit gives 40%crit to the all party BTW ;D)


EDIT:
math mistake

both literally nd technically u dnt kno about warriors.
nd dmg reduction is given in % so greater is dmg dealt more it will reduce it. many ppl get mixed up on stuffs having %.

anyway all i will say is that
#1 RC is best for one having sword/shield coz high armour; mch dps nd less dmg. best tanker

#2 VB is best for hammer lovers as it has high dmg nd will b able return mana effectively. best dmg dealer.

nd warriors' main purpose is to tank.
leave dmg /dps to rogues.

[GoodSyntax]

VB Warriors are a Rogues best friend.

Good Rogues keep an eye out for the VB ripple effect, if your team mate activated it, shadow them closely, because VB fixes the biggest weakness of Rogues....mana starvation. Get into the middle of the scrum and spam away, this ensures you get aggro from mobs, who will attack you and return HP+Mana....win!


Shadow, your summary is actually quite fitting, RC is best for the tanky Warriors - those that want to crowd control but are less interested in damage dealing. VB is best for DMG Warriors and is a huge asset for Rogues. VB Warriors help to minimize mana pot usage and really speed up maps.

[ShadowGunX]

VB Warriors are a Rogues best friend.

Good Rogues keep an eye out for the VB ripple effect, if your team mate activated it, shadow them closely, because VB fixes the biggest weakness of Rogues....mana starvation. Get into the middle of the scrum and spam away, this ensures you get aggro from mobs, who will attack you and return HP+Mana....win!


Shadow, your summary is actually quite fitting, RC is best for the tanky Warriors - those that want to crowd control but are less interested in damage dealing. VB is best for DMG Warriors and is a huge asset for Rogues. VB Warriors help to minimize mana pot usage and really speed up maps.

i dnt think VB gives that mch hp/mp to giv sme good survivality. its negligible lol. i hav two warrior in my acnt. one is tank nd other is pvp/dmg.
i use vb only for +500heal crit nd dmg.
if u think using vb solves mp pot usage then u r wrong. i still use mp pot.

i use RC coz of dodge speed nd reduction buffs. it is in % nd has no fixed value like vb(+500hp +25str etc). so greater is the value greater is d influence.

in both war i use mp bt in my dmg war i die alot coz no mp no hor nd i get panic nd spam mp pots nd hor eating out. bt in my tank war i dnt die easily nd using rc helped me alot in pve nd speed buff comes in handy to ran off d red area.

so rc is good in pve nd vb good in pvp.
thats all :-D

[GoodSyntax]

LOL.

I wasn't talking about the Warrior, I was talking about the Rogue! Having a Warrior who uses VB is honestly more a buff for the Rogue than the Warrior. It allows me to spam skills like crazy. Once I get on a crit streak, it's instant aggro...everyone attacks me and, BAM, mana replenished.

One of the wildest PvP fights I've ever been in was with a bunch of VB Warriors on both teams. No one died!!! It was 10 minutes of spam all skills and not a single person died.

I'm not too sure how well VB works in the Nordr boss fights because they hit so damn hard. You only get a percentage of incoming damage redirected back as HP+Mana so I would imagine that it isn't really helping survivability very much. But in PvP, VB+Axe+Windmill = High DMG Warrior.

[Natrich]

I'm not too sure how well VB works in the Nordr boss fights because they hit so damn hard. You only get a percentage of incoming damage redirected back as HP+Mana so I would imagine that it isn't really helping survivability very much.

Yup, the hp/mana benefit comes after the damage is done....so you have to actually survive the hit first

[ShadowGunX]

LOL.

I wasn't talking about the Warrior, I was talking about the Rogue! Having a Warrior who uses VB is honestly more a buff for the Rogue than the Warrior. It allows me to spam skills like crazy. Once I get on a crit streak, it's instant aggro...everyone attacks me and, BAM, mana replenished.

One of the wildest PvP fights I've ever been in was with a bunch of VB Warriors on both teams. No one died!!! It was 10 minutes of spam all skills and not a single person died.

I'm not too sure how well VB works in the Nordr boss fights because they hit so damn hard. You only get a percentage of incoming damage redirected back as HP+Mana so I would imagine that it isn't really helping survivability very much. But in PvP, VB+Axe+Windmill = High DMG Warrior.

lol k. your bad u didnt say that it is about pvp. :-P.
yep in pvp d vb effect is more than in pve.
i use vb+ss+wm+ss+auto in pvp. i also hav hor.

[GoodSyntax]

lol k. your bad u didnt say that it is about pvp. :-P.
yep in pvp d vb effect is more than in pve.
i use vb+ss+wm+ss+auto in pvp. i also hav hor.

You know that shadow that follows you around all over the arena....it's probably me, because I love them VB Warriors!