I was aslo thinking about that.Originally Posted by Snalin
What i'm thinking with the fact that they're not reseting them, is to push some of us who goes for time runs, to get hooks and mythic helmets.
Conclusion, another method for more platinum purchases.
Just a thought, cause that's how I see it.
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The only reset we have done for the current season is to reset #4 because that boss was incorrectly set to spawn when the zone loaded, rather than after an amount of mobs were defeated. It was clear that no one, after the change, could have beat the previous times.
Yes, but it seems fair to reset the time runs because of the ALP nerf. People without Nefarious Hooks or Mythic Helmet won't be able to beat them. That's how I see it, and I think that's how it is.
I may be wrong, though. Sam, I luv you. O.o
you do realise everyone had the chance to go for the records before the alp nerf, right?
and you also realize that the current lb times are 99.9% unbeatable
not that I care but assuming it's 1 season per lvl cap, the records have already been set in stone
Those who start playing now or will try to beat records next month - it's still same season - have no chance to beat the records. Give folks a chance
whos to say they could beat the records even if alps were still available? i may sound selfish here as a records holder but i dont care. everyone will have the chance in the next season. also you have threei new maps to make records for. its even playing field on those
@snalin yes i am aware thats why my team worked hard on setting them
Last edited by blakadder; 03-16-2013 at 09:36 AM.
You don't sound selfish. You sound like you scary for challenge. Because Av/Cs team or some other with proper items can clear all your records out. If it's not the case, you will be glad to try new strategies and meet new challengers.
I'm a record holder too, but like you said, you do sound selfish.
They are nearly unbeatable if you don't own hooks or mythic helmets.
People had time before nerf? Lol, you sure you know what a time run is?
If you're a record holder, you should know it doesn't take few hours for them.
It takes WEEKS of work, and strategy to do these, so no we did not have 'time'.
i applaud and congratulate av's team for the tough competition with mine. they put in the work and the competition was thrilling and motivating.
as for the others, you still hqve the last 3 maps to earn your records banner. you can have only one anyway.
and yes i am scared of a challenge, thanks for noticing
Don't worry, records will be taken.
actually we did most records in an hour or two.. if you think it takes weeks then thats just enough time till the lb resets next season
Sure you did some records in some hours. So did we. But that's just temporary ones.
To lock a time run, make it unbeatable, it needs hard work, strategy and everything needed to do so.
Hm, not sure you're familiar with time runs, mate.
Anyways, let the challenge begin.
If to look for time runs LB from previous seasons, they are constantly improving during whole season, team by team, that's the spirit of making it to LB and making it fun.
I am not a time runner, failed in season 1. But every time I ran with a team I knew it was possible to beat and only seconds/milliseconds divided me from records. Now it's only first month of the season and it's not fun to compete for those who want it.
I am not going for banners since season 1 and I know these records can be/will be beaten later with hooks, just now there are no marks to compare your runs with.
This is a dilemma for all of us.
If record reset, ppl with arcane and mystic items have great advantage to get their name on LB, which turns game into a plat contest.
If not, I think it pretty hard for a team to beat those time records set before lifethief weapon got nerfed. Unless all members in the team have arcane and mystic item, which turns game into a plat contest as well.
(The only solution I can see is probably nerf the arcane and mystic a bit. They can have better stat than legendary items, but not that overpowered. Then reset the time record. So everyone has the chance to play for record even if they cant afford those expensive items.)
This!
Best team wins anyway (blak team, cs, or mystic, or other), it doesn't really matter who wins. Give us the fair possibility to compete till the last minute of the season. For plat users there were already Top players and Enhanced runs leaderboards, now Pure runs also incredibly rely on who is rich instead skills.
very well put csyui and hippl, i couldnt agree more. that was actually the primary motivation for setting the records early cause i for sure am not spending real cash to try to get the hooks for setting the records
It is the same issue that occurred during season one with changes in the timer start and tomb
runs. The timer originally started with the first enemy killed and changed to starting upon first
acquiring aggro from the enemy. This essentially made lb times unbeatable as people set the
lb times by gathering huge mobs from large portions of the map and killing them fast to make
the boss spawn in a matter of seconds after the timer started. This was no longer possible with
the timer starting as soon as you gained aggro instead of when you made your first kill. There
was much contentious debate about this in the forums, and the developers eventually decided
to revert the timer start to how it was before the update.
This seems like an analogous situation with an update making leaderboard times potentially unbeatable.
I am not trying to minimize anyone's hard work or current excellent times, but current leaderboard
holders would be foolish to assume that the times they set now would not have been beaten later in the
season. Many people have not even been trying to set records yet this season. Again this is not to minimize
the hard work of anyone that is currently on the leaderboards, as there is no doubt that the current
leaderboard holders would likely have been setting some of these new records too as they refined
their methods. I am much aware of how touchy a subject this is, as back in season 1, when mages could
still compete for times, I held many of the records at the time of the update which made my times
unbeatable. Many people criticized me and my teammates calling us cheaters and saying that we did
not deserve our leaderboard times. I guess we proved them wrong by improving our times and staying
on the leaderboards after the update was reverted and the times could again be beatenAnyways,
the point is that the current leaderboard times would have been beaten later in the season if the ALP
was not nerfed as more people would start competing for times and refining their techniques. With the
current update it remains to be seen if it is still possible to beat the times on the leaderboard, although
I too think this will be a very tall order.
Anyways, players and developers, please keep an open mind about this. If in fact there are no changes in
leaderboard times over the next couple of weeks, I think the developers may have to do something to make
the leaderboards more fair. If it indeed turns out that a team of players with hooks gets together and
dominates the leaderboards, well good for them, and I will definitely be jealous.
Last edited by drgrimmy; 03-16-2013 at 02:07 PM.
I can tell you it is 100%percent that the records of hauntlet and crypty will be easily beaten by 4 hooks.
However what need to be tested is whether elite records will be beaten by hooks , this is hard to say.
As an experienced speed runner, I can tell you some reason about this.
For example, alf before nerf is a weapon with 50% chance dmg on 1, 50%chance dmg on 10.
hook is a weapon always dealing 4 damage.
then the hp for mops in hauntlet and crypt is 2, so obviously ,hooks are better, coz one hit kill.
but the hp for mops in Elite maps are much more than 2, you have to kill a mops by several hit, so if our assumption is right, alf before nerfed is still better than hook.
This is just a easy example, you know what i mean
Last edited by Avshow; 03-16-2013 at 04:10 PM.
if you have hooks ,can easily beat hauntlet and crypt, but hard to say in elite
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