Arcane Achievement

[Energizeric]

I'm going to be a bit selfish here and bring up a subject that personally suits me at this particular time.....

Today after months of merching, farming, doing daily quests and saving my gold, I purchased a Hammerjaw Egg, the first Arcane item I have owned. If I had managed this during the first couple of weeks after Hammerjaw was released, I would have been awarded the Arcane Achievement and Banner. But then this was changed to only award the achievement when someone loots an Arcane item. The reason given was that STS wanted to prevent scamming -- people were begging those with an arcane weapon or mythic helm to borrow the item for the achievement, and then of course they would not give it back. So they eliminated that possibility by not giving the achievement for having possession of the item, only for looting it.

While this was a fine idea on their part, there was no reason for them to apply this logic to an egg. Once the egg is opened, the pet cannot be traded, loaned, given, etc. So there is absolutely no reason for the achievement to not be granted upon hatching an Arcane Egg. Nobody can scam you out of your Hammerjaw (or Glacian) pet.

In its current form it's almost crazy to even call the Arcane Achievement an "achivement" at all. What did someone actually achieve? No amount of hard work or excellence in this game will earn you the Arcane Achievement. You can't buy it for a certain amount of plat either. It's just plain luck like winning a lottery. It's kind of lousy that there is no way I can actually "achieve" this achievement.

It took me about 4 months to save enough gold by merching, farming, and doing daily quests, and I finally managed to save enough gold to buy a Hammerjaw Egg. Now just give me the achievement too!! Lord knows I've spent enough time and done enough hard work to deserve it! Isn't that what the word "achievement" means?

[drgrimmy]

I completely agree with you on this one, and I think that you deserve the achievement. Unfortunately the achievement is only currently for someone who either is extremely lucky or spends a boatload of plat on crates. Hardly much of an "achievement" in my eyes.

[Energizeric]

If STS was to make this change, I don't even think they would lose any plat sales. Here are some reasons why:

1) These Arcane eggs/pets are so rare, and each will only grant an achievement one extra time (when looted, and then again when hatched).

2) Some players who do wish to "buy" this achievement, but are not willing to gamble with the crates, will actually purchase gold for plat so that they can buy their egg from someone who looted one.

3) Nobody is opening crates these days to get an Arcane pet. Everyone is going after the more costly Arcane Weapons, and the Mythic Armors/Helms. Prices of Arcane eggs have fallen quite a bit from their peak a couple of months ago. If the achievement were granted for hatching an egg, then prices of these eggs would go up and people may be more inspired to open crates hoping to loot one and sell it for the big reward.


There is really no reason they should not make this change. I can't imagine anyone complaining, and if anything it would encourage some players to farm more and save their gold because they would now have a chance to earn this very rare Achievement and Banner. That is how achievements should be.

[Alhuntrazeck]

It would be good if they would award the achievement once you open an egg, not just receive it. I see why they wouldn't give the achievement for buying mythic or arcane stuff from the store (you could ask a friend to trade it with you and get u the achiev) but an egg? yeah, an achievement for opening it would be great.

[wowdah]

True story devs, check it out.

[ooommmggg]

I agree with you all

[Jcyee]

I don't see any reason not to do this. +1 to this idea.

[katish]

Agreed - and I wanna add that nothing should drop only from locked crates - IMHO, people can either invest hard earned real life money or hard earned gold got thru farming/merching and neither one of those should be favored in detriment of the other.

Simply because no one person can say which has more value for another person. Money and time invested should be 'valued' the same.

In our game society, one does not exist without the other. There would be no people to open crates if there were no people playing the free game to make this a MMORPG.

So make arcanes drop from chests as well as crates.

[Obi]

I totally agree. I think they have the code already that could be used for that - this is how other pet achievements are handled, yes? So it should be easy to implement I believe, they could just add another pet achievement for either arcane pet.. the only think that bothers me is that then people would just buy their position on top players LB..

[Energizeric]

One important issue that comes to mind is if they do implement this they have to then give the achievement to players that have the pets already. For example, if someone purchased a Glacian Egg last week and hatched it, they should get the achievement as well. So maybe the best way to handle this achievement is instead of getting the achievement for hatching the egg, give the achievement for equipping the pet from the stable. That way STS does not need to do any work to give out the achievement to anyone who should have it but missed it.

I know they have the code to do this as in PL there are quite a few achievements that have to do with equipping certain items, not just owning them.

[JaytB]

This has been brought up several times in the past already (usually by the same small group of people).

Personally, I wouldn't care either way, but seeing it was never taken to heart in the past I can only say I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[yoho.]

Managed all arcane items (hammerjaw glacian hooks) by merching and farming back in season 3. Complained on forums about it - didn't receive devs attention neither got supported by community - you should loot it they told. Before season 4 I opened 0 crates. I opened crates for 2500 plat and opened about 120 elite golden chests in this season pursuing the achievement (nothing ofc)
What I want to say is: this 'achievement only for lucky gambler' really works for plat sales. I would never open a single crate if I had alternative way to do it.

[JaytB]

I would never open a single crate if I had alternative way to do it.

And this my friend, is possibly a very good reason for STS to want to keep it as it is.

On the other hand it could also cause those people, who spent tons or plat just to get the achievement, become angry if things get changed at this point in time.

[yoho.]

And this my friend, is possibly a very good reason for STS to want to keep it as it is.

On the other hand it could also cause those people, who spent tons or plat just to get the achievement, become angry if things get changed at this point in time.

That's my point. People who spent 40k plat to get arcane AP wouldn't be happy of these changes.

[Obi]

I think there are more people that spend really lot of plats and did not get the achievement than those that spend 40k and did get it finally..

[Energizeric]

That's my point. People who spent 40k plat to get arcane AP wouldn't be happy of these changes.

I don't see why anyone would spend a ton of plat just trying to get this achievement.....

You can make the leaderboards for "top sorcerer", "top rogue" or "top warrior" without having this achievement. You get the same banner whether you are #2 or #25. The only player who gets a different/better banner is the top player overall for all classes, and there are not that many players who are competing for that spot.

99.9% of players are opening the crates hoping to strike it rich. If they were to make this change, prices of eggs would go up and there would be more incentive to open crates. Plus some players may resort to buying gold with plat in order to buy an Arcane Egg.

As for the very few players who spent a fortune on plat to try to obtain the Arcane Achievement, as was posted above, most of them probably never managed to obtain it so they would be happy to have this change implemented. And for the few who did achieve it previously, they also did get the Arcane item as well, so I don't know how angry they should be. Someone still has to open the crates to get these eggs. You can't go and buy one if none are for sale, and once each one is opened it is off the market forever. They cannot be recycled.

Also, I'll note that nobody has posted in this thread so far and complained about this idea saying that they spent a ton of plat and would feel cheated. These players you are speaking of Jay usually make their voices heard. Let's see if they chime in here.

[JaytB]

I don't see why anyone would spend a ton of plat just trying to get this achievement.....

I don't see why people open crates for many 1000's of plat just to get a Mythic or Arcane item, still people seem to do that quite regularly. I bet you'd be surprised too if you actually knew what people would do for an achievement.

99.9% of players are opening the crates hoping to strike it rich. If they were to make this change, prices of eggs would go up and there would be more incentive to open crates. Plus some players may resort to buying gold with plat in order to buy an Arcane Egg.

This entire paragraph is pure speculation. I get that you really want this thing to happen, but personally I think it's a bit far fetched. In the same way, I could say that I think that at least 40% of all people opening crates, do this so they can own an Arcane and/or Mythic item (and have the achievement in the process). I mean, look at the amount of Arcane/Mythic items sold on forums and/or in game. There aren't all that many going around. Does that mean they're just so extremely rare, even after people opening so many crates on a daily basis, or is it that people actually keep them instead of selling it off for gold? No way for me to know and, unless you're a dev, no way for you to know either.

As for the price of eggs. Prices would go up right? Now why is that again? That's right, because people would be willing to spend ridiculous amounts of gold just to get that achievement. Here's the thing though, if people can spend 10-20m on an egg, my bet is that for most of those (except the very few merches who actually know what they're doing) a decent amount of plat was involved to get their gold. It wouldn't surprise me that it's exactly those people, who want that achievement that badly, who would spend 1000's of plat to get it.

Also, I'll note that nobody has posted in this thread so far and complained about this idea saying that they spent a ton of plat and would feel cheated. These players you are speaking of Jay usually make their voices heard. Let's see if they chime in here.

10 people (including me, Yoho and you) posted in here and seeing how many people are on the forums as compared to the total AL population, this place is an extremely small sample group. Complaints will only come after things get changed up, you should know that be now.

Let me finish by saying, I didn't mean to disagree with everything you said and you know I like you right? I just wanted to offer another perspective as you're understandingly biased about this whole topic

[Syylent]

Actually it is an achievement. The person who looted the egg, weapon or armor got lucky. You just purchased it from the AH which is no biggie. Most of the "achievements" are lucky related as well.

I think it is fine as is. Let those who get lucky receive the title/flag. Be happy you received hammerjaw.

Achievement means... the act of achieving, a result gained by effort. So what was achieved, in context? For the achievement you must loot a arcane piece. The resulting achievement is the looting. Not the final resting place.

[Energizeric]

Achievement means... the act of achieving, a result gained by effort. So what was achieved, in context? For the achievement you must loot a arcane piece. The resulting achievement is the looting. Not the final resting place.

See the part I highlighted in your quote above? It took lots of effort for me to earn enough gold to buy the hammerjaw egg. In its current form, the Arcane Achievement does not take any effort. It just a random event like winning the lottery.

[Energizeric]

As for the price of eggs. Prices would go up right? Now why is that again? That's right, because people would be willing to spend ridiculous amounts of gold just to get that achievement. Here's the thing though, if people can spend 10-20m on an egg, my bet is that for most of those (except the very few merches who actually know what they're doing) a decent amount of plat was involved to get their gold. It wouldn't surprise me that it's exactly those people, who want that achievement that badly, who would spend 1000's of plat to get it.

This was my point exactly. I don't think STS would lose any plat sales. So instead of spending thousands of plat to open crates, they will spend thousands of plat to buy gold so they can buy an egg.

And BTW, the egg has to exist and be for sale. Everyone cannot just decide they will buy an egg instead of looting one. Eggs still have to be looted or else none will be for sale.