Low Level PvP VS. High Level PvP

[Waug]

"birds L1-76 : all noobs" - its looks like you are the only pro in game.

:ignore:ignor: he's not even deserve any criticism. then u have to start it from the begining, ah gonna sleep bye-bye.

[Swords]

Low lvl pvp requires skill than high lvl pvp which is pure luck dodge and one shot kills. But I rather go on with high lvl pvp because people actually uses sets rather than low lvl pvp with those annoying fb nukes

[Trenton]

Low lvl pvp requires skill than high lvl pvp which is pure luck dodge and one shot kills. But I rather go on with high lvl pvp because people actually uses sets rather than low lvl pvp with those annoying fb nukes

Exactly, Fbow requires no skill.

[Gaunab]

I find it funny how many people say that endgame requires no skill because its dodgebased etc, but yet there are handful of players (mainly oldies) who are able to tear apart any other team despite using the same gear. What people dont realise is that the "luck" statistically evens out over time and in the end all that is left to make a difference is the players skill and teamwork.

Its not a coincidence that almost every twink tournament has been won by an endgamer.

[loliamsocool]

I find it funny how many people say that endgame requires no skill because its dodgebased etc, but yet there are handful of players (mainly oldies) who are able to tear apart any other team despite using the same gear. What people dont realise is that the "luck" statistically evens out over time and in the end all that is left to make a difference is the players skill and teamwork.

Its not a coincidence that almost every twink tournament has been won by an endgamer.

Probably because those twinkers were actually decent twinks who moved up to endgame with time, lol. Also because many of the best twinks are non-active forumers, and are not able to see the tourneys unless someone is willing to risk their chance of winning by telling them. For example, my 15 tourney, Bous has not signed up yet, and people regard him, and 3 other twinks as the best 15s who are active, yet only ONE out of the 4 has signed up for the tourney.

Hey, for example take Zapoke, hopefully I'm right in that he was a pro 26 before he was a pro higher level. If i'm wrong then poo, there's other examples anyway probably.

EDIT: What I meant was not they were twinkers first, although some of them were. ALOT of them had a few streaky months of pro twinking before retiring and going back to finish the next cap or something.

[Roberto077]

I find it funny how many people say that endgame requires no skill because its dodgebased etc, but yet there are handful of players (mainly oldies) who are able to tear apart any other team despite using the same gear. What people dont realise is that the "luck" statistically evens out over time and in the end all that is left to make a difference is the players skill and teamwork.

Its not a coincidence that almost every twink tournament has been won by an endgamer.

During the Fang cap my kdr was 3000-5000

Since I played Humania endgame and BSM endgame with crafted sets my kdr has gone up to 7500-7000. I don't believe people do KDR jumps of that magnitude unless there is unbalance/luck, boosting, or twinking. Considering how the endgame is almost a complete dodge/crit fest, I think it was luck.

[loliamsocool]

During the Fang cap my kdr was 3000-5000

Since I played Humania endgame and BSM endgame with crafted sets my kdr has gone up to 7500-7000. I don't believe people do KDR jumps of that magnitude unless there is unbalance/luck, boosting, or twinking. Considering how the endgame is almost a complete dodge/crit fest, I think it was luck.

Er but then again like he said every one is outfitted with the same gear. Most likely during this cap there has been more FFA and more likely than not your experience leads to better FFA and your range is probably better than the randoms that you may meet in endgame.

Luck is also a huge factor though, but give yourself some credit

[Chang Yeo]

Everyone - get together and all meet in the middle at L.56

[Zapoke]

Everyone - get together and all meet in the middle at L.56

That's a twink level.

[Itoopeo]

I prefer L50(bear) and L71(talon set bird) PvP. All below L50 is full of fbow noobs. L56 is okay L61 is so expensive and L66 does not have ability to one shot anyone.

[Zeus]

Probably because those twinkers were actually decent twinks who moved up to endgame with time, lol. Also because many of the best twinks are non-active forumers, and are not able to see the tourneys unless someone is willing to risk their chance of winning by telling them. For example, my 15 tourney, Bous has not signed up yet, and people regard him, and 3 other twinks as the best 15s who are active, yet only ONE out of the 4 has signed up for the tourney.

Hey, for example take Zapoke, hopefully I'm right in that he was a pro 26 before he was a pro higher level. If i'm wrong then poo, there's other examples anyway probably.

EDIT: What I meant was not they were twinkers first, although some of them were. ALOT of them had a few streaky months of pro twinking before retiring and going back to finish the next cap or something.

Yich & Ent would say the same things about endgamers. Infact, Yich made a thread to challenge end gamers to try twinking. Lets just say that he didn't win the challenge.

What twinks don't realize is that end gamers created twinking for you. Heck, the oldies PvPd at those levels when they were considered the cap! Again, whatever twinks know can usually be traced back to an endgamer.

[Zeus]

During the Fang cap my kdr was 3000-5000

Since I played Humania endgame and BSM endgame with crafted sets my kdr has gone up to 7500-7000. I don't believe people do KDR jumps of that magnitude unless there is unbalance/luck, boosting, or twinking. Considering how the endgame is almost a complete dodge/crit fest, I think it was luck.

BSM, maybe, but Humania? I don't think so. Heck, check out the L71 bear tournament. There was a consistent score of beating people by 10-5 or less.

[Fortal123]

You have a few good points, but if you had read the comments you would have noticed that they've all been said already. Also, many people will simply disregard your post because of the first sentence. I mean, you didn't even finish reading the very first post.. Really?

I did not bother myself by reading the rest because the question was asked in the title, and I know how cocky endgamers get, and the same goes for low lvl PvPers, so I figured what the comments would be like. This is an overused topic, and this is my clear opinion statement, because I have always been too lazy to write it all out.

[Fortal123]

I find it funny how many people say that endgame requires no skill because its dodgebased etc, but yet there are handful of players (mainly oldies) who are able to tear apart any other team despite using the same gear. What people dont realise is that the "luck" statistically evens out over time and in the end all that is left to make a difference is the players skill and teamwork.

Its not a coincidence that almost every twink tournament has been won by an endgamer.

Though you would have a good point, you might have misread some comments that other people (including me) have said. I said that endgame requires no skill, not that all endgamers are noobs. Vast majority is, of course, mainly people who started doing endgame after 71 cap, they're just cocky noobs. But saying that endgame requires no skill and that endgamers are noobs isn't entirely the same thing. People who have been playing since 50/56 cap might yet have skill FROM that level cap, where it still did require skill, thus can yet win tournaments. Also, saying that ''luck evens out'' makes no sense, because the game eventually has to end sometime, so if it did even out, the game would never end. There is a higher possibility (nearing certainty) of a game ending than not ending, because it would stay 0-0 - 4-4 until the end of times, if it did even out. Also, it's very much about teamwork, but single elimination is different. I know some people who could claim to be the best but not entering the tournaments. Endgamers simply win because: a) they have the money for all the sets (''pro'' farmers), b) there are way toooo many endgamers, c) they may yet have skill from previous caps. You made a good point, though. Just felt the imminent need to correct the incorrect.

[Fortal123]

That's a twink level.

Not a low lvl though, and it's one of the few levels that require some skill. The discussion is between low lvl and high lvl, not twinking lvls.

[Fortal123]

Yich & Ent would say the same things about endgamers. Infact, Yich made a thread to challenge end gamers to try twinking. Lets just say that he didn't win the challenge.

What twinks don't realize is that end gamers created twinking for you. Heck, the oldies PvPd at those levels when they were considered the cap! Again, whatever twinks know can usually be traced back to an endgamer.

When was lv10 a cap? :O

[Fortal123]

BSM, maybe, but Humania? I don't think so. Heck, check out the L71 bear tournament. There was a consistent score of beating people by 10-5 or less.

Wow, that totally proves 71 PvP is 100% skill based!

[Zeus]

Wow, that totally proves 71 PvP is 100% skill based!

Wow, ever heard of L9 skills increase? Smart thinker we have here!


I was talking about the L71 tournament during the Humania cap.

[Zeus]

When was lv10 a cap? :O

End gamers are the one who created L10 twinks. Also, obviously I meant since the beginning of campaigns/PvP release. C'mon now, quit trying to be a smart ***, Fort.

[Fortal123]

End gamers are the one who created L10 twinks. Also, obviously I meant since the beginning of campaigns/PvP release. C'mon now, quit trying to be a smart ***, Fort.

I'm just teasing you mate. Neither endgame nor low lvl requires any superior skill, that's a fact. Not worth getting into an argument with a friend over such matters. :-) I'd say that that this topic is the same as religious discussions, people will never agree.
Besides, I don't need to try, it's in my nature. :P