Then other two classes will need aim shot too right?Originally Posted by Dex Scene
Rogue has the highest dmg skills and lack of invulnerability skill and a mana regen skill so it's fair.
That's why there are 3 classes in game to help each other.
Then other two classes will need aim shot too right?
Rogue has the highest dmg skills and lack of invulnerability skill and a mana regen skill so it's fair.
That's why there are 3 classes in game to help each other.
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Twink mages need buff. End game not so much. The best mages can already beat the best rogues in 1 v 1.
Rogues are already the squishiest class in clash. They get one shot or combo'd far more frequently than mages for obvious reasons.
Leave the buff and let us be the most squishy but most efficient killers in game. Give us pet damage and remove our pvp nerfs. Release the Kraken!!!
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Rogues really should get pet damage from the pets they have...+1Twink mages need buff. End game not so much. The best mages can already beat the best rogues in 1 v 1.
Rogues are already the squishiest class in clash. They get one shot or combo'd far more frequently than mages for obvious reasons.
Leave the buff and let us be the most squishy but most efficient killers in game. Give us pet damage and remove our pvp nerfs. Release the Kraken!!!
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No, you need to charge aim in a clash example as well if you want to take out a Mage. Oh, good luck hitting every single skill on a rogue in clash. Lastly, any rogue that's using nox against a Mage should go ahead and quit rogue - they do not know how to fight a Mage. Any decent rogue knows that nox is swapped out for razor shield against a Mage. It's pretty much necessary.
Rogue does not dominate every single aspect of the game. There are class leaderboards that ensure equal rewards for players. Furthermore, many timed runs utilize a sorcerer, as you very well know. So where exactly do rogues have an upper hand? Arena? That is a boss only map and poorly designed. Rogues are meant to be boss killers and that should've been thought of when creating arena (limitations on amount of rogues allowed in party to run arena). So, what exactly do sorcerers lack? Difficulty to place position on LB? No, in fact their overall LB are among the easiest of every class in the game. The fact that new players can come and be on sorcerer leaderboard shows just that. Essentially, those are highly grotesque and fallacious statements.
Lastly, many sorcerers here are making comments about their class that lack the skill of a good sorcerer. You want to see a sorcerer that's amazing? Check out Arrypotta for 1v1 or clash. Another good example is Voorg who's also one of the most effective sorcerers I've seen in a clash. Those are good sorcerers that have never found the need to make excuses for their class & dominate rogues on a daily basis. If a sorcerer is not able to kill like them, they're just not good enough. Sorry, but that's the brutal truth.
Last edited by Zeus; 08-15-2015 at 10:01 AM.
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I stated rogues had AoE skills too. It is upto the rogue whether or not to use it.
Rogues vs mages clash, Ofcourse mages will win. What do you expect? Mages are the crowd control class. In a vs situation, tell me how this OP tanky shield fares against an equal geared rogue? They do the 'best' AoE. Rogues have razor which grants them stun immunity. That rotated with Nekro can surely give you enough time to do whatever you desire to do while not being stunned?
You swap out nox for razor? Sure. This gives you stun immunity too or haven't you noticed that part yet? It is rogues who die most in any clash? Which class gets the most kill in any clash? Rogues.
Also, mage heals are not for the mage only. It is for the whole team. This does not make them OP from a clash based view. Rogues are still required to take out the opposite team fast enough to cripple them.
Light does great AoE too btw :3
Are you talking from a 1vs1 point of view? The warrior invulnerability is for the whole team, which means you get it too. Rogues have the shortest cd'ing skills in the game.
Last edited by Seoratrek; 08-15-2015 at 02:15 PM.
rogues own the 1on1 quite a while, no doubt! Rogues also got BY FAR the most kills in clashs in the past, NO DOUBT! Rogues just play PVE without the need of warriors and mages and can do timed runs faster then other classes... Now the heal buff takes away something from rogues although you also profit from this heal and you start to cry how op mages are?
Also the heal buff doesnt help in any way in a 1on1 mage vs rogue, like shiny said its totally useless there! The only benefit is in clashes, were rogues profit too and the biggest advantage is, like avikk said, the 1on1 matchup mage vs warrior. Thats the scenario where it really help a lot imho.
edit: Also what about the upcoming 1on1 arena? With current game mechanics its not a 1on1 arena its just a rogue arena!
Last edited by Seoratrek; 08-15-2015 at 02:14 PM.
I am saying about class vs class. Depending on warriors or mages proves nothing.
A mage's team consisting a rogue can aimshot the enemy for him.
Either way, this buff is needless. Mages are great in PVP and I wonder what would the reactions of other classes be if Rogues get sudden needless buff.
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Last edited by Seoratrek; 08-15-2015 at 02:15 PM.
Try playing mage. You'll find the grass is greener on the other side. All of our abilities have been nerfed, such as stun (due to razor and nekro) and what were we left with, a shield that breaks? I don't think you've tried mage yet. My kdr on rogue is far better than my mage, even though I have hardly any experience playing rogue.
This issue only affects the PVP aspect of the game, so it would make sense that PVPers opinions on the matter would take precedence over the PVE'ers opinions on this matter...
Last edited by Seoratrek; 08-15-2015 at 02:27 PM.
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Actually it effects PvP pve. So it does not make sense that any of your comments or anyone else's take precedence over anothers . unless your really important, if not your just another player so don't lie on forums telling all players that some opinions trump others
Where does it affect PVE? If you're using Heal in PVE for any legitamate map/Elite, I hate to tell you this, but, any skilled player will tell you to lose the heal. It's just not a good choice for PVE scenarios where you need the Mage to be in charge of crowd control, not health/mana control (considering all other classes and you can use pots far more effective than a heal would be...).
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Heal isn't good vs rogue either. Enough said
1v1 scenarios is also a place where heal isn't viable, yes, what's your point as far as this statement?
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The issue prob isn't so much that the buff is even bad on its own. Sounds like the issue is having 3 of them with two tanks could potentially cause imbalance. I'm still not sure tho. Will have to play clash against 3 mages to see if there's a difference.
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Yes, it affects mostly pvp players, I agree. But if you read my posts again, I was not raising a pvp / pve issue, but a "best player" vs "everyone else" issue that seems to have developed in this topic this morning.
I wasn't giving my opinion on the mage issue, I was commenting on the tone of the conversation, stating that putting down other players (including pvp players) doesn't make your points more valid.
I was merely pointing out that I think all opinions are valuable, and seeing a conversation derailed due to this behaviour is both counterproductive and annoying to those of us trying to filter facts from fiction.
Not to mention it will get a potentially useful discussion written off by the devs as non-constructive. I am guessing since you raised the topic, you would rather see the devs pay attention to it. They won't do that if you tell people their opinions don't count because they are not the best in game, or they don't pvp enough.
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Ok, just wanted to hear you agree that heal is not viable vs rogue. So all this noise is based on a presumption that this heal will change clashes? If CTF were played correctly, none of this would even matter.
I try to keep from commenting on 1v1 scenarios due to the fact that I personally feel that 1v1s are silly and a waste of time at this point in the game, I feel that STS should work on improving CTF/TDM instead of adding a 1v1 arena (but that's another thread in the making). From a clash scenario, which is the scenario that should be seen the most due to the fact that the current PVP modes are team based, I feel that rogues are the last class to be needed if they're needed all, but, I don't believe the heal change has anything to do with that. Though, it does make it more likely for a team with more mages VS a team with more rogues in comparison to win every match due to the Mage heal being ridiculously good as opposed to the previous "good enough". While I personally don't know if the new heal is "overpowered" or not, I do think that STS should test this buff more, possibly coming in game and testing with the community, namely you, Zeus, Madnex, and other people who understand how the game and their respective classes work.
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Thank you for the mage heal buff sts you know what you are doing!
As I said before, lifegiver will never be better than simply using pots in PvE. It's not a PvE skill.
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