PVP Updates: Proposed Balance Changes PART 2 (7/22/2016)

**Zeus** · 07-22-2016, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Plqgue

Mean like how rogues used to wipe put tanks and makes?

That has not been the case in over a year. You forget that I was a huge proponent in getting sorcerers buffed and making them useful. Please be realistic and objective. You and I both know what is true balance. I am only making 100% true statements here. Heck, I even went through the time to upload a video of what happens because people think we are clueless about our own class.

**intrepd** · 07-22-2016, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Plqgue

Mean like how rogues used to wipe put tanks and makes?

You're saying because rogues were OP before now they have to make them completely useless? U see that this damage was only from ONE nox, imagine 3 mages attacking you and pets also tanks axes? Its a guarantee death for a rogue

**Plqgue** · 07-22-2016, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Zeus

That has not been the case in over a year. You forget that I was a huge proponent in getting sorcerers buffed and making them useful. Please be realistic and objective. You and I both know what is true balance. I am only making 100% true statements here. Heck, I even went through the time to upload a video of what happens because people think we are clueless about our own class.

How is buffing one class and nerfing two others achieving true balance?

**Plqgue** · 07-22-2016, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by intrepd

You're saying because rogues were OP before now they have to make them completely useless? U see that this damage was only from ONE nox, imagine 3 mages attacking you and pets also tanks axes? Its a guarantee death for a rogue

Mages were useless for years....rogues have felt this uselessness for a few months and that's it and sts is already working on fixing all of pvp to cater to rogue where were all of you besides Zeus when mages needed a hardcore buff?

**intrepd** · 07-22-2016, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Plqgue

How is buffing one class and nerfing two others achieving true balance?

How is making one class useless and buffing 2 is achieving true balance?

**intrepd** · 07-22-2016, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Plqgue

Mages were useless for years....rogues have felt this uselessness for a few months and that's it and sts is already working on fixing all of pvp to cater to rogue where were all of you besides Zeus when mages needed a hardcore buff?

First of all mages were never useless they were needed in team even in the old days for mana, and haven't zeus stood up with mages dor buff before? Please look at my forum account I made it Apr 2016 that's after the buff by months no? Not like I stood against them

**Plqgue** · 07-22-2016, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by intrepd

First of all mages were never useless they were needed in team even in the old days for mana, and haven't zeus stood up with mages dor buff before? Please look at my forum account I made it Apr 2016 that's after the buff by months no? Not like I stood against them

We were mana pools and nothing else don't kid yourself guy

**DAmage126** · 07-22-2016, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by intrepd

First of all mages were never useless they were needed in team even in the old days for mana, and haven't zeus stood up with mages dor buff before? Please look at my forum account I made it Apr 2016 that's after the buff by months no? Not like I stood against them

"For mana" well mages aren't supposed to be a support class entirely they are also a damage dealing class that specializes in mob control and aoe they are supposed to do damage whats the point of a class if they are just gonna be a portable mana potion every once in awhile

**intrepd** · 07-22-2016, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Shelllz

The only reason Zeus keeps asking for buff is because we have no rogues to play vs him. If we had rogue this wouldn't even come up as an issue. He wants to play vs 3 mages and kill them (something he has been doing) with less deaths to himself. In order for zeus to kill he has to die and rejoin his team. Which he does with great speed thanks to the venom set, and swapping to his gear while he is in the middle of running.

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You're telling me that pvp is balanced now then?

**Shelllz** · 07-22-2016, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by intrepd

You're telling me that pvp is balanced now then?

Pvp is balanced. The only reason this is an issue is because we (magnum) have no rogues.

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**yubaraj** · 07-22-2016, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Zeus

That has not been the case in over a year. You forget that I was a huge proponent in getting sorcerers buffed and making them useful. Please be realistic and objective. You and I both know what is true balance. I am only making 100% true statements here. Heck, I even went through the time to upload a video of what happens because people think we are clueless about our own class.

Can you please list out what things you advocate for mage buff? Just a request

Btw I have seen you crying when mages got buffed. I can't recall much but when shield gave stun immunity, when lifegiver regrowth upgrade I have seen your utter dissatisfaction.

Sorry about going off topic.

About the rogue buff I was expecting that STS will think about giving them some survivability in clash situation but nope.

**intrepd** · 07-22-2016, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by DAmage126

"For mana" well mages aren't supposed to be a support class entirely they are also a damage dealing class that specializes in mob control and aoe they are supposed to do damage whats the point of a class if they are just gonna be a portable mana potion every once in awhile

Since the beginning rogue stack was not any good not like mage stack have you not noticed? Mage got buffed when they were useless, now rogues are useless so they deserve a buff as well

**Plqgue** · 07-22-2016, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by DAmage126

"For mana" well mages aren't supposed to be a support class entirely they are also a damage dealing class that specializes in mob control and aoe they are supposed to do damage whats the point of a class if they are just gonna be a portable mana potion every once in awhile

Thank you!!!!

**intrepd** · 07-22-2016, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Shelllz

Pvp is balanced. The only reason this is an issue is because we (magnum) have no rogues.

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Sorry but how can a rogue clash against 3 mages? If she can't even participate in clash then it's not balanced, I see lots of rogues in magnum such as World Psychoshext Aviiici

**Shelllz** · 07-22-2016, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by intrepd

Since the beginning rogue stack was not any good not like mage stack have you not noticed? Mage got buffed when they were useless, now rogues are useless so they deserve a buff as well

Not sure where u have been because I clearly remember playing with Ctf and Leys on the same team. We used 2 rogues 2 tanks 1 mage many many times.

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**Zeus** · 07-22-2016, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by yubaraj

Can you please list out what things you advocate for mage buff? Just a request

Btw I have seen you crying when mages got buffed. I can't recall much but when shield gave stun immunity, when lifegiver regrowth upgrade I have seen your utter dissatisfaction.

Sorry about going off topic.

About the rogue buff I was expecting that STS will think about giving them some survivability in clash situation but nope.

The stun immunity, the increased damage reduction, the removal of debuffs, were suggestions that I had to sorcerer shield.

**intrepd** · 07-22-2016, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Shelllz

Not sure where u have been because I clearly remember playing with Ctf and Leys on the same team. We used 2 rogues 2 tanks 1 mage many many times.

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Sorry I'm talking about right now rogues are so worse than before, mages got their buff for balance so rogues deserves it too. They don't even have a spot in clash first answer this please
Dont you find it weird or unbalanced to always clash with 3 mages 2 tanks and no rogue both teams?

**Shelllz** · 07-22-2016, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by intrepd

Sorry but how can a rogue clash against 3 mages? If she can't even participate in clash then it's not balanced, I see lots of rogues in magnum such as World Psychoshext Aviiici

U want lily who charges nox everytime to go against zeus? Or avicii who has major ping issues most of the time(also on an opposite time zone), compared to Zeus 40 ping. Shext is good but different time zone. Any other ideas?

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**Shelllz** · 07-22-2016, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by intrepd

Sorry I'm talking about right now rogues are so worse than before, mages got their buff for balance so rogues deserves it too. They don't even have a spot in clash first answer this please
Dont you find it weird or unbalanced to always clash with 3 mages 2 tanks and no rogue both teams?

OMFG If I HAD A ROGUE TO PUT ON MY TEAM I WOULD.
can u read that over and over again until u finally get it. Thanks

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**intrepd** · 07-22-2016, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Shelllz

OMFG If I HAD A ROGUE TO PUT ON MY TEAM I WOULD.
can u read that over and over again until u finally get it. Thanks

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Right now 3 mages takes out a rogue easily in clash so basically you're asking for them to wait until you find a rogue or easier buff rogue to be able to clash and participate? Answer please