I hope fox can be op like rhino too lol.
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I hope fox can be op like rhino too lol.
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What endgame pvp need at very first is to fix the utmost broken thing that is proc, proc should be nerfed highly, not just talon proc but each and every proc because proc is random, proc is luck based and proc is so high that, proc is the single most valuable thing that decides the outcome of a fight.
- Skill buffs and debuffs should be increased significantly, because they are getting minimal effect because of high amount of stats, eg armor, damage, hit% etc and those things are crucial determining your skill and command on pvp because what's the difference if someone spamming his skill and the other experienced one doing his skills in a right sequence, debuffing at right places. Combos matter less in endgame the very first basis of skilled pvp.
- Once procs have little value after nerfing, there's no point decreasing talon, rather it need dmg boost maybe even in form of dmg proc like +100 yes talon doesn't need defensive prc, it need offensive proc.
- Bear doens't need further buff, it was buffed recently
- Every 2h weapon need buffing if we need to see them in this scenerio but str and int ones need more buffs than dex one of course.
- We don't need and we don't want elites to become class bound, specially because we're in a good situation right now where, every class prefer to use it's own gear cause of the advantages it has, very few exception eg rhino dagger. From my point of view, it's because dagger bringing the extra damage they need, they have defensive stats, degger seems to complete the duality, maybe the solution is to change dagger's offensive procs to defensive proc.
- Fox need slight buff true but it should also be kept in mind that, it has dashes which is a "skill" that's what you get as a skill advantage, so basically if fox get as much defensive and offensive skill as other class with no speed advantage, it's actually getting op. Once dagger getting it's proc changed I think fox gonna get the thing that it need most is defensive stat.
To be very concise.
Last edited by Waug; 06-20-2018 at 11:45 PM.
There is one thing confusing me I dont think that bear was underpowered at 76-77
Ty Cinco
Dash isn't defensive because I can't dash away unless I have an alternate target to lock onto who is over 12m away. I have to dash in. Thus, I find that I am constantly dashing into instantly dieing because I have the least armor, health, and dodge, and unroot of any class.
Once again. Rhino gained 15 points from 85-100 and still no one addressed that? Before 100 cap rhinos had to sacrifice buffs for damage or damage for buffs. Now they can MAX OUT ALL BUFFS with those extra points.
Birds have 2 buffs
Mages have 2 buffs
Bear technically has 4 buffs (taunt, rage, evade, ironblood)
Fox has 2 or 3? Cant remember.
Rhino has 4 buffs.
Rhinos only became OP AFTER gaining those extra 15 points which helped them max out all buffs and be able to also output damage. There was no having to sacrifice damage/buffs to fit peoples play styles.
Before 100 cap, rhino actually took skill to play, at this point it doesnt. Its too tanky and dodges way too much.
I can agree on most points but i don't believe rhino is the most OP class this Season/level, i think that title goes to mage here. I'll touch up with rhino and correct some points starting with rhinos infamous charge. Me being a long time rhino player it comes with a perk noting that max charge is mostly useless. I'm not going to say who but there is a rhino in Apex who only use 1 charge. Could be Goah could be hook but it's one of them. Nerfing charge by 60% would NOT change anything on damage just like maxing rabid was never useful in any cases. If you're wanting to know where the damage lies then it's simple, juiced.
The Juiced combo is your equivalent of drain that never works. You're supposed to get HP back but it never seems to do anything but dmg. Nerfing rhino Juiced COULD cripple the class again like many years prior. That's the entire blame of why rhino sucked in the first place. Touching juiced and Holy Tempest would make the class overall garbage like bird in levels lower than 45. I would not recommend doing this what so ever.
Paladins dodge is a joke i refuse to touch on it but I'll be the one to say that i NEVER USE BRUTE. If i could take those 4 skill points and invest it into Vital or Rev i would. Paladins Dodge does need a nerf to stop people from spamming but not to the point where it cannot dodge any attacks. Fully agreed on that one.
Decreasing heal scale is eh. Heres the thing, it's not really about the health given but the the HP Regen that comes with it. Reducing int would just force rhinos to go either pure str or dex. Me being pure Dex already i don't see the problem with this unless you're fighting str tank rhinos.
Rhinos armor buff is the same amount as bears Iron Blood. They tank just the same amount but bears are more durable as a whole. Nerfing rhinos armor would just make them as tanky as a mage which could hurt their credibility as a supporting tank. If you do that then there would be no point in rhinos anymore. Why play rhino that's inferior as a support compared to mage that's not even a supporting class. Armor is the only good thing about rhinos. Their heal is 5 seconds which takes forever and makes a difference in a fight. They have absolutely no damage and this is backed by the Arena of Honor. Their DMG Party buff, THAT ONLY BUFFS DMG, is a weak 46 when players in Endgame is in 4 digit number not 3 anymore. Rhinos health is the biggest kick. Even mages have morr health than us which is why mages could completely dominate a rhino in a fight. It's the sets that are your problem not the class. Though Fox is a whole different subject
Foxes in endgame is no where near the OP announce it is in twink. In twink foxes dodge every attack and every auto from players no matter their weapon. I can spam dagger and 80% of the attacks don't land. And foxes dmg in twink is a dead joke so when i saw that StS buffed their damage by 25% i died inside. Instead of Rabid Ham being the 2shot it's now just rabid.......help us cinco. Foxes need more DODGE, CRITICAL, DAMAGE, and more skill dmg/Buff. Have you tried talon fox walie if that doesn't work then StS will need to revamp the class.
The class does too much damage in my opinion, and it's tankiness is slightly overtuned. I find nerfing the dodge and armor to be a straight forward solution to the ultra-tankiness, and I find the damage nerf to account for the one shotting op rhino this cap. I don't think there is anything beyond that I really need to say. I look forward to hearing what other people think about my rhino propositions.
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