Why is Drainers bad? in pvp

**Zerious** · 08-19-2011, 11:08 PM

yeah that's just how i figured it. Statistics seemed to be worth something after all XD

**Imacoolbirdd** · 08-20-2011, 12:21 AM

O.O so many comments

**Hankomachos** · 08-20-2011, 12:39 AM

Dude I use drainers all the time on my bird. Its the best tanking gear IMO. Awesome Dodge and HP reg.
Don't listen to them, drainers is great!

**Ellyidol** · 08-20-2011, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Zerious

yeah that's just how i figured it. Statistics seemed to be worth something after all XD

I actually have a small theory on hit and crit. It seems that my skills (Hell Scream and Beckon since they're the most obvious if they hit) hit more often if I have high crit/Rage even if I have the same hit %.

**WhoIsThis** · 08-20-2011, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Zerious

yeah that's just how i figured it. Statistics seemed to be worth something after all XD

Every build that you've ever made for twinking was a compromise. In order to achieve the best results, you had to sacrifice skill points in things that weren't essential but "nice to have". I think you've been around to know this.

Similar arguments could be made for equipment, especially those in the sewers. Sewer sets tend to focus on a few core competencies and do them extremely well. Every set is a matter of compromising. There's no "one set to rule them all". The closest thing that PL has ever had to that was the release of AO3 with the void, rift, and cosmos sets (and their follow-ups: sentinel, hate, and shadow). The key to good equipment is more dictated by the opponent(s).

In my opinion - custom and raid roach focus on damage output at the expense of mana regeneration and survivability. Drainers is a survivability set, but the damage output is significantly lower. What is a bird's core competency? Damage output. For most situations in PvP, I'd choose custom over anything else.

**joeychandler** · 08-20-2011, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by WhoIsThis

Every build that you've ever made for twinking was a compromise. In order to achieve the best results, you had to sacrifice skill points in things that weren't essential but "nice to have". I think you've been around to know this.

Similar arguments could be made for equipment, especially those in the sewers. Sewer sets tend to focus on a few core competencies and do them extremely well. Every set is a matter of compromising. There's no "one set to rule them all". The closest thing that PL has ever had to that was the release of AO3 with the void, rift, and cosmos sets (and their follow-ups: sentinel, hate, and shadow). The key to good equipment is more dictated by the opponent(s).

In my opinion - custom and raid roach focus on damage output at the expense of mana regeneration and survivability. Drainers is a survivability set, but the damage output is significantly lower. What is a bird's core competency? Damage output. For most situations in PvP, I'd choose custom over anything else.

The argument wasn't that drainers is better than custom though. Just that drainers is cheap.
People are mad that a 10k orange gear set can compete with their 2mill custom set.

The argument is that dodge is "cheap" as it bypasses damage, crit and hit and relies on luck more than most attributes. Most people who complain about it fail to release that it's balanced, and using drainers sacrifices hit, damage, crit etc. Like some of you said.

**WhoIsThis** · 08-20-2011, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by joeychandler

The argument wasn't that drainers is better than custom though. Just that drainers is cheap.
People are mad that a 10k orange gear set can compete with their 2mill custom set.

The argument is that dodge is "cheap" as it bypasses damage, crit and hit and relies on luck more than most attributes. Most people who complain about it fail to release that it's balanced, and using drainers sacrifices hit, damage, crit etc. Like some of you said.

In a match to 10, if a player in custom can't beat a player in drainers, I'd say the drainer's player has considerably more skill. Now, I would expect a few victories from the drainers, but overall ...

It is true though that there is the belief that drainers is arguably the best non-pink level 55 dex set; perhaps more so than say bagmans (which is almost as potent as raid roach). Then again, the consensus is that raid is superior to drainers so, it's really open to debate. Either way, there is no rule that says a player shouldn't be allowed to wear drainers. In fact, I'd argue that people who call others "drainer's noobs" are themselves the noobs.

**Sryyoulose** · 08-25-2011, 11:59 PM

I would suggest not using a drainers bow but leather and helm they can't see

I would use underlings or bagmans as a bow.

**Zerious** · 08-26-2011, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by WhoIsThis

Every build that you've ever made for twinking was a compromise. In order to achieve the best results, you had to sacrifice skill points in things that weren't essential but "nice to have". I think you've been around to know this.

Yeah... but I don't see what that has to do with what i was explaining to Ellyidol. Where i stand with using drainer's is simply: if it works for you, it's there. If you don't like fighting against it, I can't blame you, but it's never unfair since it's available to EVERYONE who meets the requirements.