Thoughts on nerfing Hyperos gun proc and Curse Skill

[Ezekieya]

To add, Gauntlet does give the most gold with a proper party as you've heard. However, do you want the curse skill nerfed so everyone in the team do less damage? rmb its a party buff/enemy debuff and everyone will do less dmg without or to have it useless.

What exactly are you fighting for?

The fact that one class only gets the most helpful skill says a lot. Rogues even struggle with their dmg-boosting skills to compete against mages. Now imagine warriors with their outdated skills. See the problem here?
We did more testing and found out that it's NOT only HP that STS buffed but also added a damage reduction and absorption for the bosses. Probably also added an ignore debuff on the bosses as well, because if it's only HP that they buff we would still melt their hp.

Curse skill bypasses all of those. No other skills in the game do that.
It is now better to have 4 mages in a party to do the most damage and have efficient runs than have other classes participate. Mages can heal, shield, and do damage.

[Ilove_Poopoo]

The fact that one class only gets the most helpful skill says a lot. Rogues even struggle with their dmg-boosting skills to compete against mages. Now imagine warriors with their outdated skills. See the problem here?
We did more testing and found out that it's NOT only HP that STS buffed but also added a damage reduction and absorption for the bosses. Probably also added an ignore debuff on the bosses as well, because if it's only HP that they buff we would still melt their hp.

Curse skill bypasses all of those. No other skills in the game do that.
It is now better to have 4 mages in a party to do the most damage and have efficient runs than have other classes participate. Mages can heal, shield, and do damage.

But Gauntlet is a one-class each map, so by nerfing curse, you're advocating everyone to deal less dmg as a whole.

Also its not like curse only works on mages? wouldn't tank and rog benefit any map with any boss with the help of our curse? So u'd rather do less damage?

Its not like Hyperos procs on command? Its impractical when brought to farming maps for this reason.

[Ezekieya]

Good warriors weren't rejected. It was stated basically million times that good warrior needs polaris (or at least neptaris), cause it was able (before buff) to 1tap 2nd phase, which was helping our runs to be much faster. Sometimes I was trying to convince some polaris wars to leave their pt and join my pt, cause no polaris war was free. Sometimes was also running with 2 polaris wars in pt (1 for mini and 2 for 2 stage or polaris 2nd stage war + krak sword 2nd stage+last war) and it also worked pretty good.
Fastest possible lb rahab run was with 1 sorcerer and 3 wars, so it says a lot how good wars were useful on this map.

"Good warriors were not rejected."

Yes, they weren't, but that's a very small population of OP warriors. You don't see warriors often bursting erahab's full hp back then. Most warriors you'll meet are mid and they can barely do phase 1 (most of the time they cannot).

Polaris and Neptaris are good weapons, but it's not the best combo of warriors (I've tested). The best and gives the most damage solo-wise is zodias aegis. I've tested my high-level zodias aegis erahab now and can only do 35-40% hp with full damage elixirs (expensive), 100% crit chance, and 85% crit damage build. This weapon also ignores the damage mitigation/armor of bosses btw. This is the only weapon that can compete with mages or rogues. This weapon is very hard to proc even at higher levels and hard to level up. Forget about the kraken gears, it's literally useless now for warriors to use it against main bosses. They can probably use it on mini but not the main boss it literally does no damage.

You say that you can take out 35% hp of erahab now, which is good, but unlike other classes they cannot do it consistently like you do (maybe rogues can but warriors cannot). Literally was just in a random of full warriors in pub match and we were doing ekenta and they (all 3 of them) literally did no damage until I stepped in. Mind you, some of them had kraken gears and neptaris and best they can do is 10% hp.

[Ezekieya]

Yeah on a low proc rate weapon on a useless lb, literally who cares

It procs faster with haste build. If you don't care, get out of this thread.

[Ilove_Poopoo]

I am a very decent warrior. I built my character like a rogue with 100% crit chance and 85% crit dmg and I am only able to do 50% of lb orrick hp in 27 secs with my best combo and full damage elixir (after lb buff)

The best and gives the most damage solo-wise is zodias aegis. I've tested my high-level zodias aegis erahab now and can only do 35-40% hp with full damage elixirs (expensive), 100% crit chance, and 85% crit damage build. This weapon also ignores the damage mitigation/armor of bosses btw. This is the only weapon that can compete with mages or rogues. This weapon is very hard to proc even at higher levels and hard to level up. Forget about the kraken gears, it's literally useless now for warriors to use it against main bosses. They can probably use it on mini but not the main boss it literally does no damage.

You say that you can take out 35% hp of erahab now, which is good, but unlike other classes they cannot do it consistently like you do (maybe rogues can but warriors cannot). Literally was just in a random of full warriors in pub match and we were doing ekenta and they (all 3 of them) literally did no damage until I stepped in. Mind you, some of them had kraken gears and neptaris and best they can do is 10% hp.

This tank had no problem though, with much less crit damage, crit chance and said he could've had done 5s if he tried more.

Should I ask to nerf tanks now? or are you just that bad to choke with those stats and vErY oP Zodias aegis? and now exaggerating your claims.






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[Ezekieya]

But Gauntlet is a one-class each map, so by nerfing curse, you're advocating everyone to deal less dmg as a whole.

Also its not like curse only works on mages? wouldn't tank and rog benefit any map with any boss with the help of our curse? So u'd rather do less damage?

Its not like Hyperos procs on command? Its impractical when brought to farming maps for this reason.

Gauntlet is a different ball-game. Not many players farm there back then because erahab was better option. I tried Gauntlet without a party after buff to see if anyone would join, and it took me 25 minutes to get someone to join that portal and for them to leave right after it started.

Yes, I'd love the mages to do less damage so there's no reason for them to do a full pt of mages to run stuff faster and efficiently. It's kinda useless to say 'id rather do less damage' if warriors barely do damage, to begin with. I invested 2b in gears just to get to the level of a mage so I don't have to rely on them in randoms and now I'm forced to deal with arrogant mages to get into parties.

Hyperos are used by decent mages to farm erahab solo back then and still now. With the right build, you can proc it faster and consistently. Mages has the most overpowered proc in the game.

[Ezekieya]

This tank had no problem though, with much less crit damage, crit chance and said he could've had done 5s if he tried more.

Should I ask to nerf tanks now? or are you just that bad to choke with those stats and vErY oP Zodias aegis? and now exaggerating your claims.






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Don't post screenshots that are not current. No disrespect to blessfull, but this screenshot was before buff and it had to be done with FULL ELIXIR AND FISH and neptaris. I've done 6.5 secs there with zodias aegis but the best back then was 2 secs. The current best solo-wise as war is around 27 secs in lb orrick (with full damage elixir and x2 fish mythic). Mages did it for 3 secs... 3 SECS. How do you compete with that as a different class? No way in hell. I asked some of those top mages if I can do lb with them and you know what they said 'no'.

Sure, nerf zodias aegis, it's useless anyways since it barely procs. But in return, nerf mages too so it's fair and balance. And I am not exaggerating, I am stating facts. Try Warrior once NOW and see how it is and go back here before you talk. And oh, try it in random, don't party with op players see how your experience is going to be.

[Kystone]

Don't post screenshots that are not current. No disrespect to blessfull, but this screenshot was before buff and it had to be done with FULL ELIXIR AND FISH. I've done 6 secs there but the best back then was 2 secs.

Sure, nerf zodias aegis, it's useless anyways since it barely procs. But in return, nerf mages too so it's fair and balance. And I am not exaggerating, I am stating facts. Try Warrior once NOW and see how it is and go back here before you talk.

Lb wasn’t even active until the buff bro. You physically could not get a time on lb

[Oawaoebi]

Your denying the fact that mages does the most damage by far is funny lol
Look at Orrick LB, this boss has now alot of HP and some mages can kill it SOLO in 3 seconds.
Show me a single player war or even a rogue who can do it solo even in 6 seconds which is double the time, and you wont find any

You are giving interesting statements. Theres 2 mages who have the right gear and the correct strategy and who are able to do orrick in 3 seconds solo. How do you know its solo? They could just ask someone to join them give a pet buff and leave the map so the score only shows 1 person on the lb and spots 1-10 can be taken by 1 person only. When i enter in a full party the map we kill the boss and 0.1sec before boss dead all leave the map except the war. The war will have best time and then will you say according to the lb warrior is the best class and can kill the bosses as best? And nobody is trying for that lb anymore, bc it has a 30 days reward and that’s it.

When we enter pvp rogue is by far the best class. That’s not bc it has best defense ( i would rate it the weakest), but the damage surpasses warrior and mage together. Hit speed is fastest you can compare on dps of classes. Damage of skills is the highest. They have most damage skills and those are fast used no need to charge them to onehit an average player who is not defending himself and im not talking about procs. When you look into festerfang pvp. Theres 2 mages 5 wars and 15 rogues.

When i compare my friends damage on bosses with same stats and equipment. Rogue deals more damage. And no i wasn’t using curse or told the rog to use any buffs.

Warriors also have good damage dealing weapons. Remember spirit weapon war on too much damage? It was a warrior who pulled out the 0ms orrick. Warriors kraken items deal on first hit more damage than rog or mage ones. Level up that weapon try around find your own Playstyle you like the most. I myself play warrior for 2.5 years consistently daily/weekly and the only thing i have to complain is the aim of normal attack. When i am using a speed set and want to hit the mobs i have to pass them then release the hit to kill them. This should be fixed first.


I remember when proc stack removal was announced for zodias expansion. Every warrior sold their gear and switched to mage/rog or quitted the game completely. This means it misses the experienced playerbase of warrior. Slowly the more and more wars are coming back/joining and getting better.


You always can point on the strongest and say its unfair because you simply are not as good. If you go on a mage and beat them i`ll agree with you that you are right and that its the mage class who is too strong. I have recently seen that warriors with ult kill elite bosses faster solo than 3 mages together. Why? Because the warrior is stronger than the mage.


I personally dont see the issue of warrior dealing less damage than other classes. What would it mean to choose a class when every class has the same damage, the same Defense and the same speed on killing enemies/bosses. Then we can simply ask cinco to remove rogs and mages and the game will only run on one class. It totally would lose the uniqueness of a class and its benefits and disadvantages.


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[Ilove_Poopoo]

Don't post screenshots that are not current. No disrespect to blessfull, but this screenshot was before buff and it had to be done with FULL ELIXIR AND FISH and neptaris. I've done 6.5 secs there with zodias aegis but the best back then was 2 secs.

Sure, nerf zodias aegis, it's useless anyways since it barely procs. But in return, nerf mages too so it's fair and balance. And I am not exaggerating, I am stating facts. Try Warrior once NOW and see how it is and go back here before you talk. And oh, try it in random, don't party with op players see how your experience is going to be.

So ure saying that if i log in the game right now and see that in the current leaderboard that it was done before the update? Enough with the excuses.

I asked, he was using just enraged to do 6.4s as he's doing some more runs as we speak. So, skill issue tbh.

[Ilove_Poopoo]

Your denying the fact that mages does the most damage by far is funny lol
Look at Orrick LB, this boss has now alot of HP and some mages can kill it SOLO in 3 seconds.
Show me a single player war or even a rogue who can do it solo even in 6 seconds which is double the time, and you wont find any

And like the other keyboard warriors out there, if you actually open the game more than your mouth, then you'd see someone who had done it in 6 seconds.

[Ezekieya]

Lb wasn’t even active until the buff bro. You physically could not get a time on lb

This was before it was disabled ofc.

[Kystone]

This was before it was disabled ofc.

Must be trolling

[Ilove_Poopoo]

This was before it was disabled ofc.

What are you still spewing about? Lb times we're not displayed before it was disabled. All current leaderboard times you can see right now were done with non-stacking fish oil elixirs.

Keep trying tho.

[Oawaoebi]

Oh yeah i think it was me who joined you. I wanted to see if the gauntlet is a second option to farm gold at. I had called a rogue to join the map to just unlock it so it starts. I remember i was adjusting my pet in my stable and died pretty early on my mage because my Defense (no lixes or any reduction) wasn’t able to resist a few mobs on wave 4 when i was for 15 seconds in stable. For gauntlet a warrior is the best class because of the amount of mobs and the kraken aegis proc which is just acting like a vacuumed. As warrior you can be happy that gauntlet gives highest gold drops. When players start quitting rahabkor they are in urge need of tanks. Also catacombs sounds promising we are going to see if that map is speed run or not. Speed run means not really a warrior needed and hard to face mobs means 2 warriors needed. That would then mean rogues may be left behind. But rogues always find their way into a pt.

If you want we try another gauntlet run later when it opens and we are going to see how good it works to farm as warrior.


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[AgentStonoga]

"Good warriors were not rejected."

Yes, they weren't, but that's a very small population of OP warriors. You don't see warriors often bursting erahab's full hp back then. Most warriors you'll meet are mid and they can barely do phase 1 (most of the time they cannot).

Polaris and Neptaris are good weapons, but it's not the best combo of warriors (I've tested). The best and gives the most damage solo-wise is zodias aegis. I've tested my high-level zodias aegis erahab now and can only do 35-40% hp with full damage elixirs (expensive), 100% crit chance, and 85% crit damage build. This weapon also ignores the damage mitigation/armor of bosses btw. This is the only weapon that can compete with mages or rogues. This weapon is very hard to proc even at higher levels and hard to level up. Forget about the kraken gears, it's literally useless now for warriors to use it against main bosses. They can probably use it on mini but not the main boss it literally does no damage.

You say that you can take out 35% hp of erahab now, which is good, but unlike other classes they cannot do it consistently like you do (maybe rogues can but warriors cannot). Literally was just in a random of full warriors in pub match and we were doing ekenta and they (all 3 of them) literally did no damage until I stepped in. Mind you, some of them had kraken gears and neptaris and best they can do is 10% hp.

What solo-wise damage? Whole point of rahab as a warrior was to pre proc polaris and kraken gear on 1 stage when you seen red floor and then take full hp on stage 2 with one hit. Polaris is the best 1 hit weapon in terms of dmg, zodias aegis couldn't take whole hp in just 1 hit. You didn't even need op gear, because even 2.5k str on zaarus was enough to do that and if you were struggling with that then it was just your lack of skill or slowly killed mini. People who were doing that were able to get pt easily, it was just your fault that you didn't play in proper way as a war on rahab.

Well, most wars can't compete with rogs/sorcs in terms of kraken weapons, but they got weapon which can take insane amount of hp with 1 hit or ridiculous force sword which outclasses other weapons in terms of killing group of mobs.

[Ezekieya]

So ure saying that if i log in the game right now and see that in the current leaderboard that it was done before the update? Enough with the excuses.

I asked, he was using just enraged to do 6.4s as he's doing some more runs as we speak. So, skill issue tbh.

Just like Oawaoebi said, it could have been players joining him and leaving to get a solo lb. There's is no physical way a warrior can do it under 6 seconds by himself. Knowing what gears blessful use, he cannot physically do it by himself under 7 secs.

[Ezekieya]

Oh yeah i think it was me who joined you. I wanted to see if the gauntlet is a second option to farm gold at. I had called a rogue to join the map to just unlock it so it starts. I remember i was adjusting my pet in my stable and died pretty early on my mage because my Defense (no lixes or any reduction) wasn’t able to resist a few mobs on wave 4 when i was for 15 seconds in stable. For gauntlet a warrior is the best class because of the amount of mobs and the kraken aegis proc which is just acting like a vacuumed. As warrior you can be happy that gauntlet gives highest gold drops. When players start quitting rahabkor they are in urge need of tanks. Also catacombs sounds promising we are going to see if that map is speed run or not. Speed run means not really a warrior needed and hard to face mobs means 2 warriors needed. That would then mean rogues may be left behind. But rogues always find their way into a pt.

If you want we try another gauntlet run later when it opens and we are going to see how good it works to farm as warrior.


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Sure, man. I'd love to do some runs. I always appreciate party invites.

[Ezekieya]

What solo-wise damage? Whole point of rahab as a warrior was to pre proc polaris and kraken gear on 1 stage when you seen red floor and then take full hp on stage 2 with one hit. Polaris is the best 1 hit weapon in terms of dmg, zodias aegis couldn't take whole hp in just 1 hit. You didn't even need op gear, because even 2.5k str on zaarus was enough to do that and if you were struggling with that then it was just your lack of skill or slowly killed mini. People who were doing that were able to get pt easily, it was just your fault that you didn't play in proper way as a war on rahab.

Well, most wars can't compete with rogs/sorcs in terms of kraken weapons, but they got weapon which can take insane amount of hp with 1 hit or ridiculous force sword which outclasses other weapons in terms of killing group of mobs.

I know how it works, but I mostly play randoms so I need a consistent weapon that gives consistent damage. Polaris is only usable when you're in a proper pt. I rarely see hbbd (a polaris user) in randoms because it just won't work. Most of these wars need also a boost to be able to achieve such feat like high crit chance, haste, and mage curse, so solo-wise in randoms it's not a viable weapon.

Our best consistent weapon solo-wise as a war back then in erahab was the kraken sword in randoms, and its dot is abysmal. You can improve it with force sword, but it's still very bad.
Like I said, I am an op warrior, and I still struggle to get a party invite. You can try it yourself so you know how it feels. I know you're a mage main so I understand why you are against with these changes. But the discrimination between classes is just bad atm in terms of pve grinding that I just have to voice this out.

[Ilove_Poopoo]

Just like Oawaoebi said, it could have been players joining him and leaving to get a solo lb. There's is no physical way a warrior can do it under 6 seconds by himself. Knowing what gears blessful use, he cannot physically do it by himself under 7 secs.

There is a way, its just you don't know how so. I know this because I was watching his solo runs on watch after, I'm sure I know the details of his run. It's pretty basic tbh.

Keep trying though. You'll realize gears ain't everything.