Feedback: 86 Force Weapons

[Cinco]

please buff rusk bow add haste or add more damage!

can please buff bow its not fair, gun and sword good and bow bad

Yes pls buff the bow. Gun and sword are better, than bow.

In terms of DPS, and sustained damage (DPM, max damage) the Rusk Bow performs better than the other weapons by ~7.5%

From what I'm reading here this is not enough to satisfy my Rogues ;-)

We're a ways off from addressing the issues that surround haste's effect on the windup for bows and projectile movement speeds - so we'll go ahead and buff the bow in the short term so we can go back to having fun!

[Megatr0n]

In terms of DPS, and sustained damage (DPM, max damage) the Rusk Bow performs better than the other weapons by ~7.5%

From what I'm reading here this is not enough to satisfy my Rogues ;-)

We're a ways off from addressing the issues that surround haste's effect on the windup for bows and projectile movement speeds - so we'll go ahead and buff the bow in the short term so we can go back to having fun!

so how much percent overall now does the bow outperform the others? do they all get a buff lol


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[Cinco]

so how much percent overall now does the bow outperform the others? do they all get a buff lol


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The overall buff for the bow is closer to ~15%

Reading this thread it's pretty clear that the other weaponry doesn't need a buff (so they don't get a buff :-)

[Killyxan]

The overall buff for the bow is closer to ~15%

Reading this thread it's pretty clear that the other weaponry doesn't need a buff (so they don't get a buff :-)

The bow Dosent have the burning proc like mage/war out of 50 hits on a single target u can proc once mage can proc the gun in 1-5 hits with max haste war can pull targets every hit this could be updated also would be nice too


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[Voorge]

The overall buff for the bow is closer to ~15%

Reading this thread it's pretty clear that the other weaponry doesn't need a buff (so they don't get a buff :-)

Overall buff of what?
Reading this thread it’s pretty clear to me people ask for haste for bows, not dps

[Cinco]

Overall buff of what?
Reading this thread it’s pretty clear to me people ask for haste for bows, not dps

I literally said "The overall buff for the bow" - and you quoted that.

Read my earlier statement on the status of haste and its relationship to the projectile system. I think this will clear up why we're doing a buff now (instead of waiting for the haste + projectile system changes and then the rebalancing that has to be done for all bows in the game).

[Vikusato]

I literally said "The overall buff for the bow" - and you quoted that.

Read my earlier statement on the status of haste and its relationship to the projectile system. I think this will clear up why we're doing a buff now (instead of waiting for the haste + projectile system changes and then the rebalancing that has to be done for all bows in the game).

Wb rusk sword? Can u remove the shield reflect n add burn instead ? Warrior don't have a boss killer weapon while both the other classes have them. If u r not planning to add a boss killer weapon pls make a zone where we can farm gold too like ezg but for 86 map . We warrior finding it difficult to farm hedo because of that reason. I've tested the rusk sword and it performs significantly worse than snow chain sword in terms of dps in hedo

[Vikusato]

In terms of DPS, and sustained damage (DPM, max damage) the Rusk Bow performs better than the other weapons by ~7.5%

From what I'm reading here this is not enough to satisfy my Rogues ;-)

We're a ways off from addressing the issues that surround haste's effect on the windup for bows and projectile movement speeds - so we'll go ahead and buff the bow in the short term so we can go back to having fun!

So....of rusk bow is performing 7.5% better than other weapons why the buff?

[Cinco]

So....of rusk bow is performing 7.5% better than other weapons why the buff?

Because so many players have responded indicating that they feel the bow is underpowered.

And indeed, even though it performs better in internal testing the actual in-game performance of the bow feels a bit weak compared to the others.

It's generally fine so it doesn't need a huge buff; just a small one.

I'm quite sure that once the buff is public players will still want more. You only need to read a few forum threads to know that, for various Legends, even the most OP gears "need buff." :-)

[trueido]

Because so many players have responded indicating that they feel the bow is underpowered.

And indeed, even though it performs better in internal testing the actual in-game performance of the bow feels a bit weak compared to the others.

It's generally fine so it doesn't need a huge buff; just a small one.

I'm quite sure that once the buff is public players will still want more. You only need to read a few forum threads to know that, for various Legends, even the most OP gears "need buff." :-)

the only reason the bow feel so weak is because its slow fire rate
Maby it does a little bit more damage than the other rusk weapons but however I see a mage with 40-60% haste procs literally "Machine Gun" mobs

By the time I make 2 attacks he make 7 attacks

so if I kill x6 mobs (3 + 3) he is able to kill 21 mobs (3 + 3+ 3 +3 +3 + 3 +3)

That's literally the only reason.

@Cinco If I were you and bows wouldn't work with haste I would have probably just make the same thing you guys did with Marianos, which is buffing the CHARGE TIME

Bow and Gun can have differences, if bow cant be used like a spam "Mini Gun" weapon, then just make the charged attacks be faster

but that's just my opinion

[Cinco]

the only reason the bow feel so weak is because its slow fire rate

I know.

Haste and bows is still being addressed and won't be ready for public consumption for a while.

In the meantime you get a buff. It is far from a perfect solution - but it's better than doing nothing imo.

[trueido]

I know.

Haste and bows is still being addressed and won't be ready for public consumption for a while.

In the meantime you get a buff. It is far from a perfect solution - but it's better than doing nothing imo.

How about just faster charge attacks?

[Cinco]

How about just faster charge attacks?

First thing I tried - and that breaks a bunch of other stuff. So it's not as simple as that, I'm sorry to say. Would've loved to just speed up those charge attacks :-)

[Vikusato]

Because so many players have responded indicating that they feel the bow is underpowered.

And indeed, even though it performs better in internal testing the actual in-game performance of the bow feels a bit weak compared to the others.

It's generally fine so it doesn't need a huge buff; just a small one.

I'm quite sure that once the buff is public players will still want more. You only need to read a few forum threads to know that, for various Legends, even the most OP gears "need buff." :-)

Yes it does seem reasonable for the buff on bow considering. Haste doesn't seem to effect the projectile speed for it. What about rusk sword any plans to change the reflection proc? Currently rusk sword is underperforming sow chainsword a 2mill weapon on hedo. I don't think it's reasonable tbh. I would not be complaining about rusk sword if there was a map where I could actually use it to farm consistently like hedo so I guess my point is valid

[Cinco]

Yes it does seem reasonable for the buff on bow considering. Haste doesn't seem to effect the projectile speed for it. What about rusk sword any plans to change the reflection proc? Currently rusk sword is underperforming sow chainsword a 2mill weapon on hedo. I don't think it's reasonable tbh. I would not be complaining about rusk sword if there was a map where I could actually use it to farm consistently like hedo so I guess my point is valid

The reflection gameplay is clearly stated in the weapon details.

Obviously this is for situations where slapping back a thousand percent of incoming damage is useful. If you are in a situation where that's not going to help, you will do much better with a different weapon that supports a different style of gameplay more appropriate to that scenario.

It is totally reasonable for this weapon to play differently than other weapons of its type and other weapons in the suite.

[Encryptions]

In terms of DPS, and sustained damage (DPM, max damage) the Rusk Bow performs better than the other weapons by ~7.5%

Is this based on player stats or damage dealt to 1 single mob? If stats what stops us from buying a starbeast chak weapon with 3k more damage and is affected by haste? If damage dealt- was procs involved when testing, and what made the result that the bow is 7.5% better? Warriors' sword can clear mobs extremely fast, mages' gun is affected by haste.

[Cinco]

Is this based on player stats or damage dealt to 1 single mob? If stats what stops us from buying a starbeast chak weapon with 3k more damage and is affected by haste? If damage dealt- was procs involved when testing, and what made the result that the bow is 7.5% better? Warriors' sword can clear mobs extremely fast, mages' gun is affected by haste.

My data comes from dealing damage to monsters of varying types including the procs. In my test environment I have a variety of popular gear combos and the 'best' OP gear combos available to see what's viable and what's maximal. The amount of damage dealt to minions, minibosses and boss monsters with the current setup is about 7.5% higher with respect to the DPS, sustained max damage, and minimum damage.

That said, there are definitely big differences in the playstyles wherein the sword can pull and the gun doesn't have a windup (unlike the bow). Furthermore, this thread has been very helpful.

Therefore, even though I'm seeing the bow as a clear leader with respect to damage in my testing, I'm gonna buff its damage, proc damage and proc chance.

[Vikusato]

Is this based on player stats or damage dealt to 1 single mob? If stats what stops us from buying a starbeast chak weapon with 3k more damage and is affected by haste? If damage dealt- was procs involved when testing, and what made the result that the bow is 7.5% better? Warriors' sword can clear mobs extremely fast, mages' gun is affected by haste.

Rusk bow was a failed weapon overall. Mage gun was a successful weapon, rusk sword is also a successful weapon interms of mob clearing. But current farming maps are all "only boss type" zones where there r no mobs making rusk sword useless in everyday farming . The devs definitely doesn't know their own game