Rogue lack of damage

[dmqp]

In the case of elemental sets the issue is that aqua has a very high dmg buff, that is easy to proc, while sb hammer has a buff that's good enough and also easy to proc.
In theory the pisces buff would be quite strong, but because it's such a pain to proc and the only significant buffing weapon for rogue, makes them worse at using it.

Yes, i agree and i have messaged devs long, long, long time ago that 500% (or whatever high number) from Aquaris vs 300% from Sb hammer vs 150% from Kraken bow (+ belt proc) is very unbalanced considering only % damage is improving elemental DOTs. Add super broken curse skill and there is no wonder why mage with proper equipment can single handedly do 1 phase Hedourah thing. Good thing is 3x blood+ 3x sb + Blood weapon is alternative to elemental sets (in performance), but that does not mean the gab between % dmg buffs should remain the way it is now.

There are things STS should check:
- find way to give each class same % of dmg buff source from weapon (nerf old aquaris, bring blood or other weapons, that buff same %)
- nerf old Zodias Aegis (warrior speaking, but it is crazy how this weapon can deliver 150m-ish ticks from proc and kill Lb orrick in 1-2 ticks)

Back to topic:
If you want to get on Orrick lb bring fast mage/war with top gear. Mage will curse boss (and can deliver some dmg) while war destroy him with Zod Aegis proc within 2 ticks. All 4 players provide pet AA buffs, that is the job of rogues in current Lb Orrick runs.

[Stefal]

Yes, i agree and i have messaged devs long, long, long time ago that 500% (or whatever high number) from Aquaris vs 300% from Sb hammer vs 150% from Kraken bow (+ belt proc) is very unbalanced considering only % damage is improving elemental DOTs. Add super broken curse skill and there is no wonder why mage with proper equipment can single handedly do 1 phase Hedourah thing. Good thing is 3x blood+ 3x sb + Blood weapon is alternative to elemental sets (in performance), but that does not mean the gab between % dmg buffs should remain the way it is now.

There are things STS should check:
- find way to give each class same % of dmg buff source from weapon (nerf old aquaris, bring blood or other weapons, that buff same %)
- nerf old Zodias Aegis (warrior speaking, but it is crazy how this weapon can deliver 150m-ish ticks from proc and kill Lb orrick in 1-2 ticks)

Back to topic:
If you want to get on Orrick lb bring fast mage/war with top gear. Mage will curse boss (and can deliver some dmg) while war destroy him with Zod Aegis proc within 2 ticks. All 4 players provide pet AA buffs, that is the job of rogues in current Lb Orrick runs.

Not my intention to be on lb orrick lb. I used him as an example how rogue (highest dmg class) is actually class with lowest dmg output right now. And no1 can tell me rogue has better dmg then other 2 classes with this meta. 5k dex rogue does worse then 4.2k str warr with Zodias or even nepta. Element set dmg output difference is also insane between rogue and other 2 classes. Just tried suggesting ,since rogue cant have good wep proc,maybe adding dmg to aimed shot would do some good.

[capeo]

You guys are going to get zodias aegis nerfed again

[|Ares|]

You guys are going to get zodias aegis nerfed again

Which is ironic cause thread is about rogue lacking damage, not tank weapons to be nerfed. People be moaning about anything nowadays.

[Encryptions]

Can you explain exactly what on rogue needs buffed damage wise? My rog can solo elite hedourah with 3.3k dex without any issues.

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[Americanarmy]

You are doing same comment on evry post. Show me ur solo time on lb fly sir and then back it up
Respectfully. I aint talking about lvl 20 lb maps where u need 7x speed. Im talking about warr doing 60m tick of dmg with zodi or 20m with element set and rogue doing 3x less.

Shoudnt rogue technically be the class doing the most dmg as it is a assassin class? The current state of the game the only way u can tell a class is diffrent is due to skills each class has if u removed all skills and ults from all the charachters they would actually be all identical due to having same set procs and wep procs hahaah…. I liked it in the past pre lvl 71 were each class had a special role now everthing is the same now to appease people who want a “male” rogue/war/mage “alien” rogue/war/mage“ female”rogue vice versa with each “class” also there no need for different classes as u can solo maps by your self yes u might take time but u can solo it. Also most past maps u needed all 3 hero types to even clear maps


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[Americanarmy]

Based on how Orrick's Lb be looking today I can tell that rogue's ultimate and Rogue in general is actually quite good! You should give it a go!

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Those numbes looks like someone who plays on pc haha which is easier to press buttons then on phone touch screen iam suprised very good times


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[dmqp]

Not my intention to be on lb orrick lb. I used him as an example how rogue (highest dmg class) is actually class with lowest dmg output right now. And no1 can tell me rogue has better dmg then other 2 classes with this meta. 5k dex rogue does worse then 4.2k str warr with Zodias or even nepta. Element set dmg output difference is also insane between rogue and other 2 classes. Just tried suggesting ,since rogue cant have good wep proc,maybe adding dmg to aimed shot would do some good.

I understand your concern, but I don’t think rogues are as weak as you say.

I am afraid rogues wouldn’t see a big difference with buffed skill damage compared to the multi-million damage from procs. Endgame boss fight is about procs.

- Current difference in Elemental set dmg output is in % dmg buff as MaAat stated. It is 500% (mage) vs 300% (warrior) vs 150% (rogue) dmg buff from weapon. I agree this should be standardized.
- Zod Aegis/ Neptaris have strong procs, that is true, but believe me i have tried them against Hedourah or in Indigo and there is no way i, as active PvE player would want to use their rng proc over Blood/Sb/kraken. Some masochists might like to use Zod Aegis, but: 1. using blood/sb/kraken is more convenient, 2. you do not need Zod Aegis-type of proc to destroy endgame pve bosses.

- I can't find active PvE map (farming map), where i would want/ need to use Zod Aegis. Zod Aegis is being used for few timed LB bosses, but you need more than just weapon, you need a great gear and great team. For daily PvE it is not needed at all.
- Honestly, I can't find a place for Neptaris in daily PvE either. This weapon has strong proc, but it is terrible to handle. I think it is mostly being used by warriors without latest gear to get closer to endgame dmg output and i see nothing wrong about that.


That being said, I do see a "light at the end of the tunnel" when it comes to the whole 'rogue is a bad damage dealer' discussion. It is Blood weaponry.
Blood weaponry is a step in the right direction. If we are talking about boss fights, the damage difference between Blood weapons in 3x Blood + 3x Sb sets is minimal among the classes. At least, that is what I see when I run with my rogue partner and mage friend (and after testing rounds of solo orrick). On top of that this set combination is great alternative to full elemental set until we see standardized dmg buffs (if ever).

[Stefal]

Can you explain exactly what on rogue needs buffed damage wise? My rog can solo elite hedourah with 3.3k dex without any issues.

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Evry1 can solo hedo since June. Can you Bp it solo like other 2 classes can?

[Encryptions]

Evry1 can solo hedo since June. Can you Bp it solo like other 2 classes can?

Not with 3.3k dex, maybe 4.5k and the correct gears.

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[imfeared]

Evry1 can solo hedo since June. Can you Bp it solo like other 2 classes can?

Rogues can definitely solo bp hedo. With both elemental and 3/3blood-3/3sb. This was happening before blood chakram was introduced. We finally got a shield and a primary damage weapon that is affected by haste also. Truly the only "buff" i can understand needing is the Blood artifact proc rate. As it is now it's instant or after 100 hits which can fell very odd.

[Stefal]

Rogues can definitely solo bp hedo. With both elemental and 3/3blood-3/3sb. This was happening before blood chakram was introduced. We finally got a shield and a primary damage weapon that is affected by haste also. Truly the only "buff" i can understand needing is the Blood artifact proc rate. As it is now it's instant or after 100 hits which can fell very odd.

Before krak bow proc yes, now u need buffs with less then 5k dex to do it.

[imfeared]

Before krak bow proc yes, now u need buffs with less then 5k dex to do it.

I'm doing it solo now with mid 4.6k dex

[Americanarmy]

I'm doing it solo now with mid 4.6k dex

I have 4200 havent tried yet


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Rogues can definitely solo bp hedo. With both elemental and 3/3blood-3/3sb. This was happening before blood chakram was introduced. We finally got a shield and a primary damage weapon that is affected by haste also. Truly the only "buff" i can understand needing is the Blood artifact proc rate. As it is now it's instant or after 100 hits which can fell very odd.

Agreed with the weird proc rate on Blood Arti. It's either consistently instantaneous or doesn't proc through an entire map. This thread attached speaks about how the proc of Krak weps and Blood Arti don't work to proc each other but rather needs to be proc'd separately. This definitely contributes to inconsistency in the proc rate.

As for Rogue buffs we can only hope we get a nice instantaneous (or decent) AOE proc/buff on the upcoming weapons specifically designed for mob clear. The only thing saving this class from being completely criticized and complained about right now is the Blood Arti proc.


https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...r-bugs-in-game

[Stefal]

I'm doing it solo now with mid 4.6k dex

Show me please

[Tekila]

What i can tell is that rogue has good damage on kraken + SB 7/6.
But to be better you need to get better gear.


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[imfeared]

Show me please

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[Adek Nakal]

Rogue are good on egg hunt 1 shot everything no need proc

[Lazzer]

Agreed with the weird proc rate on Blood Arti. It's either consistently instantaneous or doesn't proc through an entire map. This thread attached speaks about how the proc of Krak weps and Blood Arti don't work to proc each other but rather needs to be proc'd separately. This definitely contributes to inconsistency in the proc rate.

As for Rogue buffs we can only hope we get a nice instantaneous (or decent) AOE proc/buff on the upcoming weapons specifically designed for mob clear. The only thing saving this class from being completely criticized and complained about right now is the Blood Arti proc.


https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...r-bugs-in-game

Yeah pretty much. I believe Cinco got us covered. Dev team is doing a great job so far listening to player feedback.