Is it possible to play Nuri Without using elixirs as a mage or archer?

[Ruby!!!]

*** stay behind the bear***

REMEMBER...STAY BEHIND THE BEAR AND DO NOT GAIN AGGRO BY FIRING UNTIL MOB IS CONTROLLED BY BEAR(BECKONED/STOMPED INTO WALL)

Idk this might be true for guild or team runs but whenever I feel adventurous and join random games I don't usually find a bear worth staying behind. Most do funny things like entering rooms with a stomp, dying while trying roundups or simply move so slow that I wonder if they play with one hand only.
So imo staying behind the bear can be the right thing to do when there actually is a good bear but in my experience these are hard to find. Fortunately guild and friend list help you remember the good ones.
If I see you two in the games list I sure will join to check you out tho

[Necrobane]

No good bears? Probably because we all gave up on them when elixirs got so popular, running behind the pack was not fun, and when I was quick off the bat and managed to stay ahead, I got yelled at for grouping the mobs as I was forcing the party to stop for a second before combing....lose lose at the time. Switched to SL :P

[ExperimentNebulaCore]

I'm lvl 53 bear and I can solo nuri without elixers and dying... but of course its one by one or two by two not whole mobs . I thought they were stronger but I stun them soo much and dodge is good so they rarely hit me. When I get hit, it tickles. My regen already heals me after few seconds.

[RedRyder]

I do it all the time, using a lv 58 wand set. I only do runs with my guild really, and I die a normal amount

[Moogerfooger]

This is exactly why I started to play my bear again. Tanks are necessary now for a non elixir group. Patience is virtue. Stay behind the bear and do not shoot or cast any spells until the bear beckons the entire group into the wall. Time it so your combo hits immediately after the mob is put into the wall. A good group can cut right through a mob like butter but only with a good bear will everyone stay alive...hope this helps.
REMEMBER...STAY BEHIND THE BEAR AND DO NOT GAIN AGGRO BY FIRING UNTIL MOB IS CONTROLLED BY BEAR(BECKONED/STOMPED INTO WALL)

Tanks are not "necessary" for non-elixir runs, but they are great and help out immensely; my original char was a tank so I am not bagging on them, and some of my fave people to play with are tanks. However, I have done many a Nuri run with just mages/archers and as long as everyone stays roughly together, and party members do not stand around/"busy" mode, party will be just fine.

Nor am I staying behind and waiting around for a bear who runs off trying to kill some single mob that has popped off to the side, like some bears do. On the flip side, it is frustrating, like someone said, when you are the tank and everyone with an elixir runs ahead...I didn't hold it against them though, as they possibly paid real money/plat for their elixir.

Agreed with other people that the Nuri mobs are just HP-jacked mobs that hit harder exponentially it seems than previous mobs. I won't get into why I think so, because other people have already stated it.

[RedRyder]

Just to show, with the right equipment and build, a Mage can have enough armor to not get 1hit KO'd (in my case at least)

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Equipment:

Lv 58 wand charmin' set
Founders helmet
9armor dex ring.

Base stats:
Str - 15
Dex - 150
Int - 140

That grants, as you can see in the pic, 170 armor with no buffs (about 244 with all buffs including mana shield) at level 60. That should all increase your survivability with no lix's

[Phoenixking]

O.o o.O ooohh la laaaah:P so .....peerfect but what if you dint have a founders helm O.o it may shock you but i dont have one

[RedRyder]

165 armor is still pretty good!

[wvhills]

I went through about 100 dollars worth of platinum and now I find that my characters die left and right when I'm doing the 5 levels of Nuri.
I also have only seen 3 pink drops in the last 5 days it's becoming very monotonous, frustrating and not terribly fun.
It just seems to me these levels were made a lot harder than the sewers were in comparison
As you are all aware from 56 to 61 we are not allowed to upgrade our skills with 6 still the max even though our adversaries are harder to kill.
You can't play to win pinks anymore because they drop so infrequently
Is everybody else happy? Are you all having fun?
I appreciate any constructive,positive feedback.

Yes it is possible, I do it all the time. The key for me is having a good bear. I followed Decur around for about an hour last night and we didn't die much at all. If ur a mage let the bear go in first to get aggro, as he taunts/hellscreams run beside him and cast nightmare then lightning as he beckons, when the mobs get to the wall or corner cast ice/firestorm for ur combo. If there are any mobs left after he stomps cast lightning again to finish them off (a bird should have rooted by now for the nature strike combo).

I play a bird really similar. Let the bear go in first. Shattering scream when you see him beckon, then blast shot when they get against the wall then root wall.

If there's no bear or the bear is a scatter bear you're in for rough day. Lol. My bird is still in custom so there's no way he's going out front. If the bear sucks or there's not a bear I stay way back and try to pick off stragglers. My mage is in enchanted staff set but I'll still attempt to lead if no one else will. I just alternate between using mana shield and BOV. I try to always have one going but never both at the same time. I can do it but it takes lots of heals, pots, and drain lifes.

[wvhills]

I feel that I am a very good mage(Lvl 61) but I tend to get stuck with all archers and spend the whole game reviving people and being defensive therefore getting myself killed.
It seems like everybody wants to be either a mage or an archer I don't see bears often and I don't have many friends that are warriors.
Maybe I just need to take a break until Mount Fang comes out.

I'm not the best bear out there but I'm pretty good. I'm the same guild as you too. Get with me if you see me online. IGN is in my sig.

[Doubletime]

Problem is after using plat elixirs people start acting like they are invincible. It's possible to play without elixir with or without a bear just can't be over aggressive

However as players we all have to change our mindset & playing style b/c we are definitely no longer invincible vs. the mobs.

Honestly, I believe the Devs have done a great job of providing a challenging set of opponets and have forced us to return to playing our characters towards their strengths. For ex: I definitely do not "lead the way" anymore like I used to as a Str/Off Tank Mage. Instead I make sure the Bear is in the lead to take the heat, while timing my buffs/debuffs/heals for max effect. In addition, I believe the Devs have shown that the old strategy of pulling together a chain of mobs for slaughter is a quick way to die in Nuri's and instead the party has to face down each mob one at a time. Which is not great for earning xp at a fast rate, but is what is necessary to survive.

I think if you hook up with some of your trusted friends and look at Nuri's as a "return to fundamentals challenge" that the Devs have thrown down you might find some enjoyment before they release Mt Fang.

I think Kraze and Kelstrick are right on about what the fundimental problems seem to be with how players are playing Nuri. First, there is an "Elixer generation" coming up at the moment (I'll leave the question of whether the Elixer Gen is the next great wave since the Mynas Gen power level wave for another thread). The free daily elixer plus the ability to level increadibly fast using 4x pots has created a play style that is a little reckless and has many players feeling they are suppose to be over-powered for current levels. It has hurt team work some -- ok a lot. And it has caused many people to stop relying on fundimental strategies and game tactics that got them this far.

Second, I think this is also a direct result of Sewer campaign. In the Sewers, non-elixered groups would walk into Stronghold and have a bear pull every mob in an area into a big pile then nuke the mess out of them. It became a game of how big a pull can we make and not wipe the party. The answer was a whole freakin lot. The Devs actually had to patch the leash on mobs and how aggro was maintained on following mobs to try and stop the wholesale slaughter of these poor little bandits. In other words, the Devs thought these tactics were something of an exploit or work around for the "intended game play experience". And still we tried every last trick to try and keep doing this massive groupings and death train runs because honestly end-game toons were over-powered for typically sewer runs.

So in Nuri, I believe the Devs wanted to create a game play experience that didn't have a work around. Or at least a work around that you didn't have to pay for. These rush tactics and reckless play still work if you elixer up.

However, if you want to run with a semi-normal group you have to use fundimental game skills. Balanced parties tend to work a little better and move a little quicker. No more mass killing of mob groups. It is one group or room at a time. It develops team work. It develops balance. I think this is what the devs were going for. And I hope Mt. Fang continues with it.

My two cents...DT

[Navygreen]

165 armor is still pretty good!

Ryder, may I ask what the extra 15 str points does for you? Does it really make much of a difference?

Thanks!

[RedRyder]

Ryder, may I ask what the extra 15 str points does for you? Does it really make much of a difference?

Thanks!

Without the 15 points I get an uneven 169 armor, which bothered me enough to add the 14 pts for the 1 armor

[MoarPewPew]

If you go strong Bird you will have no problem in The Circus. I am only level 57 and I rarely died from this place. I just recomend debuffing the enemy as soon as you are in combat.

If you do feel need to pot buy the one for 7k gold so you dont waste your real life money.
Also try and find a group that knows what they are doing.

[Navygreen]

Without the 15 points I get an uneven 169 armor, which bothered me enough to add the 14 pts for the 1 armor

Aha, gotcha. lol

Thanks

[TANKKAAR]

Honestly even if you knew 10 people who played bear half would be dex (no good for tanking unless potted) and the other half wouldn't be any good anyways :-) IMO ... you would be lucky to find one good tank out of the 10 its so hard to find good bears these days......

Wow really? Bad reputaion for this...lmfao haters gunna hate?

And I quote the bad rep:
"if your in a pug you must suck"

To whoever my fan is :-x thanks for hating cause if your not being hated your obviously not doing it right

[modredd]

I think youre on the payroll of StS,lol
You can not argue that twe levels have under 50 kills and the last only 1.
Getting to 61 was sooooooooooooo long and to win nothing and spend sooooooo much momey on pots I thank the people that agree with me.
Challange I do not mind but you'd like a reward now and then and I think skill points should go up.
Does anyone else get grave-stoned all the time?
With out platinum I have to start all over if Im the only mage,Grrrrrr

[modredd]

Hey Tank its not how many friends you have,Its who they are.
You rock and the dancing banana was a nice touch,lm@o.

[modredd]

@Red Ryder:
So you can lend me 2,000000 so I can buy my wand and get the set bonus.
My armor is 154 pure Int mage which is a dicussion for another post

[RedRyder]

Wow really? Bad reputaion for this...lmfao haters gunna hate?

And I quote the bad rep:
"if your in a pug you must suck"

To whoever my fan is :-x thanks for hating cause if your not being hated your obviously not doing it right

modredd and myself more than made up for it