level ten PvPers what is your opinion?? (dex bears)

**moneycliff** · 01-25-2012, 10:47 PM

what do you think is more effective in a duel...

pink lv10 tinsel talon (2010 xmas) + pink lv10 gingerbread defender/pink lv10 runner sled (same exact stats)

or

snipers talon (lv10 35 platinum pack) + snipers wing (lv10 35platinum pack)

also what do you think is more effective in a duel...

lv5 expert reinforced leather

or

lv5 artisan reinforced leather

just curious on peoples opinions. i prefer artisan leather even though i own both expert and artisan. also i do not own a pink tinsel talon so i cannot really have an opinion on the first one. i do own snipers talon and wing and a pink runner sled though...

**Revengefull** · 01-25-2012, 10:50 PM

It's all preference

**Plaguemaw** · 01-25-2012, 10:53 PM

I prefer a talon/wing, but wand and duckfoot are fun as well

**Zapoke** · 01-25-2012, 10:54 PM

From what I've tested, the best matches with these sets is this (for me):

Sniper's Talon, Sniper Wing, Expert armor.
Or
Pink Tinsel Talon, Sniper Wing (Or any pink dex WF item), Expert Leather.

Of course, if you use a WF shield and a WF weapon at the same time, you might also want to use artisan. (To make up for the loss of hit %). However, I haven't done a lot of playing around with level 10-20 bears much in... A while.

**Twinklaser** · 01-26-2012, 12:58 AM

@Zapoke

According to Phy…(Forgot how to spell name lol) The maximum hit% is 85% no matter what is your hit%. Only usefulness for having high hit is it counters debuffs.

Id say sniper helm, expert, Winterfest talon and shield. All totals 89%. Doesnt know if it counts since I provided you with the info previously

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**Sryyoulose** · 01-26-2012, 01:51 AM

It's possible for 106% hit artisans leather pure DEX mecha bear helm
Pink talon, snipers helm, pink winter feat wing, and hit % ring!

**moneycliff** · 01-26-2012, 03:19 PM

i bought a pink lv10 tinsel talon and now am experimenting. i would say more or less its preference on hit% crit damg/dps and armor. i rocked the tinsel talon with a pink WF str shield and it seems my ratio of deaths had gone up in comparison to sniper talon and sniper wing. so now i am using tinel talon and sniper wing. but i am not experimenting with my two rings which i think are probably the most popular (lv10 magician fine golden band/platinum band) and with either expert of artisan armor. im trying to figure out how much armor really makes a difference at a level so low, i think probly almost nothing lol. i mean whats the diff in 23 armor or 33 armor? (33being the most i could get my level 10 to obtain even with all the gold/plat i could spend) so yeah just messing around. i am still leaning towards artisan but i think that shall change soon because 4 armor i dont think makes a difference at such a low level. just an ever so slight difference

**Zapoke** · 01-26-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by moneycliff

i bought a pink lv10 tinsel talon and now am experimenting. i would say more or less its preference on hit% crit damg/dps and armor. i rocked the tinsel talon with a pink WF str shield and it seems my ratio of deaths had gone up in comparison to sniper talon and sniper wing. so now i am using tinel talon and sniper wing. but i am not experimenting with my two rings which i think are probably the most popular (lv10 magician fine golden band/platinum band) and with either expert of artisan armor. im trying to figure out how much armor really makes a difference at a level so low, i think probly almost nothing lol. i mean whats the diff in 23 armor or 33 armor? (33being the most i could get my level 10 to obtain even with all the gold/plat i could spend) so yeah just messing around. i am still leaning towards artisan but i think that shall change soon because 4 armor i dont think makes a difference at such a low level. just an ever so slight difference

The difference of 23 armor, and 32 armor is fairly large, especially in low levels. I know that, at 16, artisan seems pretty OP with a high armor wing with it. I was passing through these levels with my bear, and I played a few PvP games with it (at level 11). I used a sniper helm, artisan leather, sniper wing, and a sniper talon. I was killing level 15-17 bears with mine. But that was due to the practice with kiting I've had. That's the real way to win, lol. Put all your points into SMS/Stomp for damage, and use those two to knock bears that have all the slashes back, and you'll win. I worked when I did it with my recent bear, it worked when I use to play 15, and it worked with my original 20 bear. Although artisan is nice, I'm fairly certain expert is indeed better at level 10.

Originally Posted by Twinklaser

@Zapoke

According to Phy…(Forgot how to spell name lol) The maximum hit% is 85% no matter what is your hit%. Only usefulness for having high hit is it counters debuffs.

Id say sniper helm, expert, Winterfest talon and shield. All totals 89%. Doesnt know if it counts since I provided you with the info previously

.

If that's true, then something has definitely been changed. Last time I played 15, I used blacksmith armor(level5), jewel thief's avian wing, WF tinsel talon, and sniper's avian helm. My hit % was in the low 90's... That's when I had 22 base strength, and only 19% hit increase. With artisan + Sniper you should get about 23% more hit. He should be getting at least into the 90's with that... Especially with full dex. Even if he is level 10.

And no, it's usefulness is not solely in countering debuffs. Having 80 hit % is almost as bad as being under hell scream the entire time, without losing damage. Hit % is the 3rd most important stat to any character. The first is damage. The second is armor.

**Twinklaser** · 01-26-2012, 04:22 PM

Zapoke and srry,

What I mean is that even if it displays 120% hit, your actual hit is still only 85%. Physiologic has runned several tests to prove this true. So 85%=85% but 120% is stil =80%. I may be wrong but this is based off of Physiologic's thread.

**Xazic** · 01-26-2012, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Twinklaser

Zapoke and srry,

What I mean is that even if it displays 120% hit, your actual hit is still only 85%. Physiologic has runned several tests to prove this true. So 85%=85% but 120% is stil =80%. I may be wrong but this is based off of Physiologic's thread.

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**Sun** · 01-26-2012, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Twinklaser

Zapoke and srry,

What I mean is that even if it displays 120% hit, your actual hit is still only 85%. Physiologic has runned several tests to prove this true. So 85%=85% but 120% is stil =80%. I may be wrong but this is based off of Physiologic's thread.

Could you provide a link?

**Twinklaser** · 01-26-2012, 08:38 PM

My device doesnt allow links so I bumped the thread. Its in the Player Guide section and is called 'Guide to Advanced Mechanics in PL: Dps, Crit, etc'

**Elitephonix** · 01-26-2012, 09:41 PM

Ok...I think its all = it just depends on your stradagy and luck...
For ex: L56 custom bird vs L56 custom bird=Double K.O.

**Twinklaser** · 01-26-2012, 10:09 PM

@Elite

Not really... Strategy and skills are around 40% of make you good at pvp. The other 40% comes from equipment and the final 20% is luck.

**JaytB** · 01-26-2012, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Twinklaser

Zapoke and srry,

What I mean is that even if it displays 120% hit, your actual hit is still only 85%. Physiologic has runned several tests to prove this true. So 85%=85% but 120% is stil =80%. I may be wrong but this is based off of Physiologic's thread.

Later tests showed that the hit% was only capped (85%) for auto-attack dmg. Your skills can actually hit 100% (with the exception of enemy dodging of course).