Favorite Bible verse?

**Cruis** · 07-21-2012, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Esoul

Matthew 6:34
Therefore do not worry about
tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry
about itself. Each day has enough
trouble of its own.

Seek peace, and pursue it. (Proverbs
34:14)

Mine too

**Kanitall** · 08-07-2012, 02:04 PM

I wrote the bible.

**Noodleleg** · 08-07-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Kanitall

I wrote the bible.

Mmm I always considered you a nun... Turns out, no nun would say that

!

**Noodleleg** · 08-07-2012, 02:29 PM

Guys, I believe in the bible... I'm a very devoted Christian... HOWEVER... I'm not okay with stuck up priests reiterating that the world is 4000 years old. Not cool. Yes, somethings cannot be explained through science, why we go to God for answers. But 4000 years? Seriously -_-...?

**MightyMicah** · 08-07-2012, 03:30 PM

@stompartist the Bible never ever mentions the word Trinity. However, the idea of a trinity is found within its pages. "between the pages" you might say. Same with God creating the world for his glory. In fact, however, there are many many verses that talk about bringing glory to God. It never states that that is why he made the world, so of course we don't know for sure. Only God knows I suppose.

@Noodleleg I can't tell if you are dissing the stance that the earth is only 4,000 years old. If so hit me up in messages. You'd be surprised at the astonishing evidence for a young earth.

**Noodleleg** · 08-07-2012, 03:53 PM

Carbon dating? Isn't that enough evidence?

Edit:

Oh and... I got a lot more annoying "facts" crazy Christians like to say.

**MightyMicah** · 08-08-2012, 09:23 AM

@Noodle message me bro! I'm the most crazy Christian around and I'd love to hear these annoying facts :P

In answer to carbon dating, though, I will say a few things. You are aware that carbon dating is only reliable up to 50,000-60,000 years correct? Indeed, the longer ammount of time that you tag on a specific fossil, the more chance it has of being an innacurate estimate. That being the case, why are you using carbon dating to prove the earth millions is years old?

Here's a link to a site that can explain all of this in vast detail.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...ove-the-bible/

**morfic** · 08-08-2012, 09:31 AM

He is correct. The half life of carbon is 5800 years, so not too accurate.

Radiometric dating is much better, with the half life ranging from .7 to 48 billion years.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't clarify. Carbon-14 IS a method of radiometric dating, but it's halflife is only around 5800 years. However..Radiometric dating involving the use of isotope series, such as rubidium/strontium, thorium/lead, potassium/argon, argon/argon, or uranium/lead... has the halflife of .7-48 billion years.

All of these isotopes break down their radioactive elements at a predictable rate. The half life of the rate gives us a very clear indication of the age of our planet, judging by the examples found.

I've read all of the websites trying to prove the bible's stances on these things. Answersingenesis is a good one, and there are various other scientist that sound good trying to show proof of a young earth. But as good as an argument as they make (My favorite one being that we still have oil reserves with tremendous pressure. If the earth was as old as we say, the pressure would have slowly decreased as oil seeped through the dirt and rock.), it doesn't overwhelm the evidence we have found for an older Earth.

We may not understand everything about the Earth, like the oil reserve pressue, but we do know the world is billions of years old. Noah's flood (or any other factor) would not hasten the half life of radioactive isotopes from 48 billion years to 5000.

**StompArtist** · 08-08-2012, 09:40 AM

Wait.

Maybe I entirely missed something but how did the stars get away from us so fast in 6000 years? Was the Universe setup at the same time as the Earth?

:S

**morfic** · 08-08-2012, 09:52 AM

That reminds me of another argument by the biblical scientist. They argue that the moon travels further away from the Earth every year due to tidal forces. If that is the case, It would be impossible for the Earth to be as old as we say, because the moon would be a great distance further away from us.

These arguments sound good, but they are completely close minded. They all take one fact of science (like the moon getting further from the Earth), and assume that is a constant that never has, and never will change. There are many factors that could have altered this fact billions of years ago. The tidal forces could have affected the moon differently at closer distances. We do not know, we can only assume.

**Flowman** · 08-08-2012, 10:01 AM

I haven't read this thread since maybe the 3rd page...did MightyMicah turn out to be a bible-thumper?

**wvhills** · 08-08-2012, 10:05 AM

I have no problem believing in creation or a young earth. Here's my viewpoint:

If you could go back and look at Adam the day after God created him you would think he would be somewhere between 20-40 years old when in fact he was 1 day old. If God can speak the earth into existance (and I believe he did) then He is able to make it fully mature (or an old earth).

**StompArtist** · 08-08-2012, 10:12 AM

Why I am asking is that I was raised a Catholic and we believe in evolution and that it was orchestrated by God. I got a few reservations as of why he put us on this apparently insignificant planet on a relatively unimportant Galaxy... but the whole young earth stuff has always been extremely puzzling to me.

**wvhills** · 08-08-2012, 10:21 AM

Well, it's most important planet and most important galaxy to me. Haha.

Seriously though, part of your reservations are talked about in the Bible. Psalm 8:4 says "what is man, that thou art mindful of him"...
Hebrews 2:6 also says the same thing. Evidently people from ancient times were to looking up at all the stars (before all the light pollution, hehe) and wonder why God chose to send His son to die for mankind when we are so insignificant.

Maybe if you read all of Psalms 8 and Hebrews 2 you will find some answers.

**Noodleleg** · 08-08-2012, 10:45 AM

Yes, carbon dating is not accurate. However... I don't understand why some "followers" don't just comply with science. I mean...the Church already has. I went to Washington D.C. and went to the National Cathedral... Guess what I saw! A picture of Jesus by a DNA helix... Mmm deoxyribonucleic acid

! Also, meteorites that struck earth many many many many (get my point?) years ago definitely aren't younger than 4000 years ago... Sorry, I don't like to private message

! Also to answer carbon dating... Yes, it's not accurate and reliable. But you can also use different things to measure. Like Uraniam. By radiometric age dating, measurements of Lead in Urainum-rich minerals suggest earth is 4.5-ish billion years old. Could the Church answer that o_O? I mean... I learned about fission and fusion (omg I wish fusion comes soon) when I was in like fourth grade (yes, I had to learn it myself

classmate was working on caterpillars)... Look it up sometimes... Very fun stuff to learn! AND JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE SCREWED UP HERE AND THERE (like Chernobyl) DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN SAY GOD IS MAD... I rest my case ^_^!

Signing out,
Noodleleg

**Walkhardd** · 08-08-2012, 02:25 PM

Christian logic makes my face hurt from the massive amounts of facepalmage.

Did I say Christian and logic in the same sentence? O.o

Anyways, back to my meaningless life. (Which I'm cool with.

)

P.s. I still love you, religious peeps!

**Noodleleg** · 08-08-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Walkhardd

Christian logic makes my face hurt from the massive amounts of facepalmage.

Did I say Christian and logic in the same sentence? O.o

Anyways, back to my meaningless life. (Which I'm cool with.

)

P.s. I still love you, religious peeps!

Great Stevens think alike ^_^!

**PianoWizzy** · 08-08-2012, 06:57 PM

James 3:2... "We all stumble many times."

**Kanitall** · 08-09-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by MightyMicah

@Noodle message me bro! I'm the most crazy Christian around and I'd love to hear these annoying facts :P

In answer to carbon dating, though, I will say a few things. You are aware that carbon dating is only reliable up to 50,000-60,000 years correct? Indeed, the longer ammount of time that you tag on a specific fossil, the more chance it has of being an innacurate estimate. That being the case, why are you using carbon dating to prove the earth millions is years old?

Here's a link to a site that can explain all of this in vast detail.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...ove-the-bible/

0-50 000years...

**PianoWizzy** · 08-09-2012, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by robert7204

I have no problem believing in creation or a young earth. Here's my viewpoint:

If you could go back and look at Adam the day after God created him you would think he would be somewhere between 20-40 years old when in fact he was 1 day old. If God can speak the earth into existance (and I believe he did) then He is able to make it fully mature (or an old earth).

I don't think Adam was literally a day old. God did of course stay true to his word that "as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.” (Genesis 2:17) In God's perspective, they did die that day, but also consider:
(2 Peter 3:8) However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with God as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
Edit: found what I was looking for.
(Genesis 5:5) So all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died.

And people who think God could not age the planet of His own accord severely underestimate Him. XD